That Hooker's My WIFE!!!

SamD said:
SHoggard:

Well, he should preface his posts with a warning then. Maybe something like "Warning: I am an insensitive idiot. Please disregard any stupidity or perceived insults in this post.".

It's a favourite ploy of our friend Mr. Markit. Make some crass comment and then blame the OP for taking offence by saying 'get a sense of humour'. He should know better at his age (I'm guessing here, maybe he really is the age his avatar suggests). If he said some of the things he said here to a stranger in a pub he might wake up next morning in intensive care. Also, hasn't he discovered the use of 'smileys'? When you make a sarcastic or insulting comment online then at least this can inform the reader that it is a joke, not to be taken seriously.

Having said that, I have nothing against the bloke. Some of his posts have even made me laugh.... well, snigger maybe. I think he just needs to think more about how people he has never met, or communicated with, might react to some of his comments.

OK. Group hug now. ;)
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Yep, spot on Sam, couldnt have said it better myself. I have nothing against Markit either, however, as you said if he wasnt hiding behind his computor keyboard, he would spend most of his time Flat on his back!
Markit, your blog on building in Bali was great, until you wanted to name and shame a few locals. We all remember the result of that. I suspect you and Roy are similar....reply to posts whilst on the sauce.
I dont post on here much anymore, to be frank, most of this cheese and booze postings bore me. And there is an element of ganging up on posters by a few of the members..you know who you are, again hiding behind your keyboards.
Enough said!
 
Ok will try once to explain and then please back on subject?

The reason I'm against relionships such as that of the large German lady has nothing at all to do with nationalities as I said in the original post. Where I do object to that behaviour is where innocents are hurt and that was the case here. Sperm source happy over hill and dale with shiny new German passport, mother left alone and heartbroken with small half-cast child in Germany - no job, no life, no prospects. Beginning to sound like fun yet?

Large white people wanting to prance through the jungles of Asia with the inhabitants making jolly all day, I think, wonderful!!

Anyone out there think a 62 year old man just fathering a newborn boy with 30 year old Indonesian a good idea? Laughing about how she now wants to have another one? See any problems in this at all?

I sure do.

Since when do you Ozzies need such tender and considerate care? Grow up, for fecks sake. Personally I think you are all way too used to be "Lord of the Manor" here in Asia and feel that it's kinda yours and anyone not offering suitable amounts of respect isn't playing cricket.

Goldminer you haven't been missed.
 
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Markit , it may be time to come back down to the south and stay at my place for a few days.
When we have no interaction with other westerners odd things happen. The internet is not enough!. Keep in mind that I spent 5 years in Western Sulawesi without seeing another native English speaker. Yep, my brain played some funny tricks on me at that stage.
You are welcome here.
 
My husband is Balinese and we are close in age which makes it easier, but we do get the stares, the vendors at the pasar do try and charge him bule price, some of his friends/acquaintances do make snide remarks that he must be rich now, and whenever we eat at a western restaurant in Seminyak/Kuta, the waiters/waitresses always try to give me the bill (why would I be paying??!!). Many female tourists treat me like a tourist attraction, white girl with local man, 100 questions-- but never in judgemental way, more out of intrigue...

What I found most interesting was when we were engaged, every single westerner asked my husband if I was pregnant, majority being my husband's western clients. I asked my husband if any of his Balinese friends or family asked if I was pregnant, and he said no, only the westerners asked! If these same westerners were back in their own country, I don't think they'd be asking such a question, especially not to someone they are doing business with!!
 
its very funny ... i have interesting discussion with many indonesian woman in mix-marriage forum. As indonesian woman with western partner, i have bad experience too ... but from time to time (after 23 years relationship, 20 years marriage) i can laugh about every ridicoulus question ... but many indonesian woman in mixmarriage whenever we go out without children - people just assume we are hooker So, if we go out with him with childern without make up, many from them take us as his servant or nanny.
Some ridicoulus question and calm answer:
+ How long is your contract?
-Lifelong, and you with your partner ... how long?
+ Why "Bule" like your husband married brown woman like you?
-Because they have healthy eyes, mind and heart.

I have many hundert more question and answer ... all in bahasa Indonesia, for many indonesian woman like me is very important to master it... than we must answer our landsmen from Indonesia... so sadly but it´s reality.
 
Markit said:
And as you can see from Mat's experience it is by no means only Indonesians that think like this. Western women are the best - anything over about 40 trailing or leading her better half gets this look of panic when she sees the enemy - small, lithe, brown, thin and beautiful..... and worst of all, younger! One almost feels pity. Almost.
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Hi Markit,

I'm an over 40 western female and I can tell you how I think.

1. If I see a girl dress like a Hooker, then yes, I think she could be a hooker, I see many Russians here dressed like Hookers.
2. If I see a young small, lithe, brown, thin and beautiful girl with a fat old ugly guy I pity her, oh, do I pity her having that thing climb on her, yuuuuk. My instant thought is 'she will never feel true love, and she has to wake up to that everyday, it's not worth all the money in the world'.
3. As I have a husband 10 years younger than me, European and very, very good looking, came with his own money, I think those girls in point 2 get jealous of me.
4. My husband has a hard time at the Golf course with the men twice his age as they get jealous he semi-retired so young and he has an intelligent gorgeous blonde wife like me - :). LOL
5. I do have many Indonesian girlfriends and Indonesian relatives born in Holland that visit us, who have had younger Indonesian girls approach them and ask what trick they used to catch their Bule.

If your worried people think your wife is a hooker ask her to stop dressing like one, if she doesn't dress like one then no-one would think she is one and you have nothing to worry about.
 
after a while both you and your wife will find others clueless assumtions quite laughable , and realise ( and learn) that you shouldnt get rattled by stupid people :)
 
Georgie said:
Hi Markit,

I'm an over 40 western female and I can tell you how I think.

1. If I see a girl dress like a Hooker, then yes, I think she could be a hooker, I see many Russians here dressed like Hookers.
2. If I see a young small, lithe, brown, thin and beautiful girl with a fat old ugly guy I pity her, oh, do I pity her having that thing climb on her, yuuuuk. My instant thought is 'she will never feel true love, and she has to wake up to that everyday, it's not worth all the money in the world'.
3. As I have a husband 10 years younger than me, European and very, very good looking, came with his own money, I think those girls in point 2 get jealous of me.
4. My husband has a hard time at the Golf course with the men twice his age as they get jealous he semi-retired so young and he has an intelligent gorgeous blonde wife like me - :). LOL
5. I do have many Indonesian girlfriends and Indonesian relatives born in Holland that visit us, who have had younger Indonesian girls approach them and ask what trick they used to catch their Bule.

If your worried people think your wife is a hooker ask her to stop dressing like one, if she doesn't dress like one then no-one would think she is one and you have nothing to worry about.
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You make some good points, however. My wife likes sexy dresses, not to please me, but simply because she thinks she looks good in them. [I agree] She never had a chance to buy nice clothes before we met and probably would never have had either. It's not only [a small minority] of older [ and younger] European women that show disaproval, but a large majority of Indonesian women of all ages through gelousy. After all athough there is a significant age difference between me and my wife I would not consider myself fat or ugly, in fact quite the opposite and a exceptionally good catch. I have also experienced problems from older Indonesian men who ask my wife why give her virginity to a tourist when she should have given it to them first. This also occured many times whilst we were engaged and still were accompanied by a chaperone all over Bali. I think Ubud and Lovina had the worst mannered men if my memory [at my age] serves me right.
p.S. I know my wife loves me.
 
mat said:
You make some good points, however. My wife likes sexy dresses, not to please me, but simply because she thinks she looks good in them. [I agree] She never had a chance to buy nice clothes before we met and probably would never have had either. It's not only [a small minority] of older [ and younger] European women that show disaproval, but a large majority of Indonesian women of all ages through gelousy. After all athough there is a significant age difference between me and my wife I would not consider myself fat or ugly, in fact quite the opposite and a exceptionally good catch. I have also experienced problems from older Indonesian men who ask my wife why give her virginity to a tourist when she should have given it to them first. This also occured many times whilst we were engaged and still were accompanied by a chaperone all over Bali. I think Ubud and Lovina had the worst mannered men if my memory [at my age] serves me right.
p.S. I know my wife loves me.
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If your wife wears sexy dresses and is comfortable and confident in them and does not have any issues like I believe Markit's wife may be having then she can go for it! I personally toned down what I wear moving to this country as it's more conservative in Indonesia as I do business here. There are some gorgeous outfits out there that an Indonesian girl could wear in public that look sophisticated, a lot of the sexy dresses here just look cheap, really cheap and not in any way in fashion, that is probably where the hooker reference comes from. I mean, seriously in Europe where we had the highest fashion we never wore hooker shoes, sooooo much makeup (sometimes the makeup is as thick as drag queens) and clothes made of Lycra, I wear Lycra to yoga or I did wear it out in the 80's. The little tight numbers could be kept for the home, keep something to yourself. Most Indonesian woman are beautiful without all that gunk, they look worst when dressed that way, it actually deters from their natural beauty. Surely all that makeup stains their pillows and those shoes cannot be good for their backs???
 
mat said:
You make some good points, however. My wife likes sexy dresses, not to please me, but simply because she thinks she looks good in them. [I agree] She never had a chance to buy nice clothes before we met and probably would never have had either. It's not only [a small minority] of older [ and younger] European women that show disaproval, but a large majority of Indonesian women of all ages through gelousy. After all athough there is a significant age difference between me and my wife I would not consider myself fat or ugly, in fact quite the opposite and a exceptionally good catch. I have also experienced problems from older Indonesian men who ask my wife why give her virginity to a tourist when she should have given it to them first. This also occured many times whilst we were engaged and still were accompanied by a chaperone all over Bali. I think Ubud and Lovina had the worst mannered men if my memory [at my age] serves me right.
p.S. I know my wife loves me.
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Also, you are mistaken, it is not jealously of the older Indonesian woman, it is disapproval of what they are wearing, every generation thinks what the younger generation wears is inappropriate. I cannot stand the latest fashion that 12-14 year old girls wear waist high shorts from the 60's, yet this decade they are sooo short their little bum cheeks hang out. I'm getting old and dont want my fourteen year old hanging her bum cheeks out, it does not mean I am jealous, it's a maternal thing you would not know as a guy..
 
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Just wondering,
Is there a specific shop where these so called hookers buy their hooker clothes, hooker shoes etc, (HOOKER MART ) perhaps??
TODAYS SPECIAL - buy 1 pair of hookers shoes recieve 1 tube of lube for free !!! :) LOL
Just find it funny how some people think THEY can decide if that girl is a Hooker , just because THEY do not approve of what that girl is wearing?
But I do agree that some of the older generation don't like what the young people are wearing these days, but unfortunately , even Bali is changing with the times.
I too, think some of the clothes the girls wear is a bit too much? But hey , who am I to judge??

Hang on !!I think those people are over at that table said my shoes are jigalo shoes( better go change?! :)
 
Hey Georgie,
Although my wife is young she certainly is not in the 12-14 year old age bracket, nor does she wear anything where her 'bum cheeks hang out'. She wears good dresses that she looks good in. She is lucky to have a nice body, so even in jeans and a t shirt she looks sexy. Sophisticated also looks sexy. She wears makeup very seldom and when she does only the minimum. Take a look in the fashion shops here, there is little choice. Most of the clothes are sexy, It's what the girls like. Go to any local meeting place and the girls are dressed very provocatively whilst alone or out with their boyfriends. It's normal. What can a good looking woman do not to be labelled a hooker?
As to the Indonesian women: I'm pretty sure it's not the clothes my wife wears that's a problem, as the single older women obviously flirt with me [and many wear less appropriate clothes than my wife], and have even told me that it would be safer to have an older wife [maybe true].
I think we have to consider culture in this thread a little. How does the West consider a prostitute in it's society and does it differ from that of the east? I think it does. In Bali certainly protitution has been a central part of the culture, with many male students having their first sexual experiences with an 'educator' and gaining cudos from others for having done so. Also many business deals including governmental are concluded in a visit to a cafe/karoke bar rather than perhaps a golf course or restaurant. I still do believe bad reactions coming from Indonesians is mostly gelousy. If not from the Westerners.
 
Markit said:
Anyone out there think a 62 year old man just fathering a newborn boy with 30 year old Indonesian a good idea? Laughing about how she now wants to have another one? See any problems in this at all?

I sure do.
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Got to pick you up on this one Markit and ask you to explain. I can't see the problem as long as the man is healthy and expecting to see his children through to their late teens and the finances are in place. Even in the west, with evenly aged parners the Father could become ill or die young leaving a Mother to bring up Children alone. Like I say I think it's fine as long as there is financial support in place for education and living expences.
 
goldminer said:
Yep, spot on Sam, couldnt have said it better myself. I have nothing against Markit either, however, as you said if he wasnt hiding behind his computor keyboard, he would spend most of his time Flat on his back!
Markit, your blog on building in Bali was great, until you wanted to name and shame a few locals. We all remember the result of that. I suspect you and Roy are similar....reply to posts whilst on the sauce.
I dont post on here much anymore, to be frank, most of this cheese and booze postings bore me. And there is an element of ganging up on posters by a few of the members..you know who you are, again hiding behind your keyboards.
Enough said!
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Thankyou Goldminer for your explanation of your previous post. It was your short dismissal of what I thought an interesting thread that I found somewhat offensive. I now understand where you are coming from and respect that you should be able to voice your opinion. I hope there are no hard feelings.
 
I started this thread because I find the subject matter fascinating and was interested to find out what other people felt about the thematic and how individuals dealt with the problems raised on a daily basis that I have also seen and felt.

I never wanted to personally become part of the discussion but it seems there are always those around that have nothing of interest to say on any subject but feel their only valuable contribution can be to make personal attacks on people that do. Well, have at friends.

It would interest me why Goldminer in particular always wants to fight or expresses himself in terms of what would happen to me back in his neighbourhood? I stopped being impressed with someones fighting ability about the age when I discovered girls and could buy a gun. Goldminer have you discovered girls yet? They're those lumpy looking boys that walk funny and can't throw balls for shit. Maybe you don't have any in your part of the Australian bush?

SamD wrote "Bintang t-shirted Aussies are no more bigoted than anybody else. And yes, you will get remarks from locals when walking down the street with a younger woman. So what? It's nothing to do with prejudice, it's simply bad manners. It has never bothered either of us, we just ignore it."

Sorry Sam I have to disagree - Bintang t-shirts are a type of person, and yeah, I'm prejudiced against them, skinheads, nazis, rednecks and cowboys (have I missed anyone?) because they are advertising their pride in ignorance and I find that offensive. And if the locals make offensive comments about their country women being with a Bule then they mean specifically to offend the women as the Bule usually can't understand what's being said and the locals know that - I find that cowardly and offensive plus a whole bunch of stupid too.

Aslo SamD wrote " If he said some of the things he said here to a stranger in a pub he might wake up next morning in intensive care." What is it with you Ozzies and fighting? For your information I talk exactly like that in pubs, clubs, churches and where ever the feck I want to because I'm a big, 6 foot tall, ugly fucker that don't take no shit. Ask around. And I have yet to come away with so much as a bloody nose because the world is made up of whiny little shits that say things like "Having said that, I have nothing against the bloke."

No.idea, Andrew and Mat you guys rock!
 
@Markit: thank you that you didn´t say anything against Bintang t-shirted Germans, as my wife bought one some weeks ago (for herself). She would instantly do Voodoo on you, and even your 6 foot couldn´t save you :)

@Everyone: cool down again, ignore the personal insults and get on with the subject. A nice help is taking a sleep before you post the reply that comes to your mind first.
 
I too think that the locals who look at us westerners and local wives/ husbands (whether young or old) and make comments about being a hooker is jealousy, but jealousy in the way of assuming that our partner has taken the easy way out of poverty by choosing to be with us? and that is the only thing they can say to try and hurt us!
In some cases it may be true?
But for my wife and I , when we met I had just been laid off work during the financial crisis so I know our relationship was not all about money.Had no House ect!
Since then we both have been working equally as hard to get what we have now ( which is not heaps, but enough). A sml house
But I think/hope it is only the minority that think that way.
For me , even if I did think something negative about someone I still would not be so rude to try and make them feel bad! but thats just me
 
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