@gilbert
And IF true, it suggests to me that the cops were only interested in ripping some bules off, who'd just experienced a terrifying home invasion and robbery. It's a miracle the victims weren't killed or seriously injured physically in the attack.
No matter what "security measures" pollyanna and her family adopt, I'm sure it will take a long time before they can truly feel safe and comfortable again, which is very sad.
And gilbert...Not to drag this out too much longer, but what can you tell us about "self defense" if something like this happens to one of us again?
If I stab some attackers and kill them in "self defense", will I have to pay their "medical" bills? If the attackers were Balinese, would I have to pay for cremation ceremonies?
Yes, I know it sounds silly, but many things are silly (from a Western point of view).
After all, some people have called Indonesia "Opposite Land", and even worse (like "Indostan").
Best wishes to you all for a great New Year!
Directly above the original quote, I wrote:
Your speculation about what may have happened with the police, (being paid at both ends, etc), wouldn't surprise me at all.
And IF true, it suggests to me that the cops were only interested in ripping some bules off, who'd just experienced a terrifying home invasion and robbery. It's a miracle the victims weren't killed or seriously injured physically in the attack.
No matter what "security measures" pollyanna and her family adopt, I'm sure it will take a long time before they can truly feel safe and comfortable again, which is very sad.
And gilbert...Not to drag this out too much longer, but what can you tell us about "self defense" if something like this happens to one of us again?
If I stab some attackers and kill them in "self defense", will I have to pay their "medical" bills? If the attackers were Balinese, would I have to pay for cremation ceremonies?
Yes, I know it sounds silly, but many things are silly (from a Western point of view).
After all, some people have called Indonesia "Opposite Land", and even worse (like "Indostan").
Best wishes to you all for a great New Year!
yep you did write that JC...Sorry if my post read like it was directed to correct you in anyway...that was not my intention.
Just wanted to be clear about that owning a gun is possible and not illegal if one follows the law to procure one.
About 'Self-Defense'...
If someone enters your property uninvited, you are allowed to expect the worst and defend yourself..if defending yourself leads to up that the trespasser dies, so be it..
you can not be held accountable for cremation costs or if he does not die, for hospital costs :icon_biggrin:
About a year ago, a Friend of mine (dutch/brasilian) with an Indonesian mother, had the 'pleasure' of finding someone on his property, actually two guys, one inside on the property and one on the perimeter wall when returning home after a evening dinner..he jumped out of the car, first grabbing the short (40cm) baseball-bat from behind the seat...the one on top of the wall
jumped down and made a run for it, the second one wasn't that lucky...long story short, that one ended up in the hospital more in the next world then in this world.
The lovina tourist police 'applauded' what happened, and said that Tony was completely in his right. If the trespasser would have died, it would have had the same outcome..
meaning, one has the right to defend him/herself or loved ones/family or even property...
I do have to say though that they way such an event can play out, depends a bit on the relation one has with the police..
as we all know, one can be totally in his/her right, but end up pulling the short straw....
Btw, never heard that 'Indostan' before, that's funny though.
Just wanted to be clear about that owning a gun is possible and not illegal if one follows the law to procure one.
About 'Self-Defense'...
If someone enters your property uninvited, you are allowed to expect the worst and defend yourself..if defending yourself leads to up that the trespasser dies, so be it..
you can not be held accountable for cremation costs or if he does not die, for hospital costs :icon_biggrin:
About a year ago, a Friend of mine (dutch/brasilian) with an Indonesian mother, had the 'pleasure' of finding someone on his property, actually two guys, one inside on the property and one on the perimeter wall when returning home after a evening dinner..he jumped out of the car, first grabbing the short (40cm) baseball-bat from behind the seat...the one on top of the wall
jumped down and made a run for it, the second one wasn't that lucky...long story short, that one ended up in the hospital more in the next world then in this world.
The lovina tourist police 'applauded' what happened, and said that Tony was completely in his right. If the trespasser would have died, it would have had the same outcome..
meaning, one has the right to defend him/herself or loved ones/family or even property...
I do have to say though that they way such an event can play out, depends a bit on the relation one has with the police..
as we all know, one can be totally in his/her right, but end up pulling the short straw....
Btw, never heard that 'Indostan' before, that's funny though.
@mat...pepper-spray is legal...when going into terminal banyuasri (by the old gas-station), right side of the road..all sorts of stuff, not sure if the 'semprotan merica' is on stock though.
or you can order online at Highquality Shop | Facebook also other things like the full metal airsoft guns etcetc..
or you can order online at Highquality Shop | Facebook also other things like the full metal airsoft guns etcetc..
We’re working on the security and I’ll write more when all is done. Right now the electricians are installing more lights (with movement sensors) around the perimeter. Yesterday we went to CV Patriot but didn’t find anything we could use except for pepper spray and bought three of those.
Bob has placed a bat in our bathroom, the place we would go to lock ourselves in and away from invaders.
Bob has also bought a pellet gun (rifle?). I don’t know anything about guns but this one needs to be cocked before each shot so he’s ordered one that is semi-automatic.
We’ve bought a motion sensor but haven’t installed it yet. If it works well we’ll get a few more of those.
The main thing we are working on is putting an electric fence wire around the top of the perimeter fence and wall. As soon as I have enough information to write about that I’ll let everyone know. We’re talking to a company in Australia about the electric fence.
Bob has placed a bat in our bathroom, the place we would go to lock ourselves in and away from invaders.
Bob has also bought a pellet gun (rifle?). I don’t know anything about guns but this one needs to be cocked before each shot so he’s ordered one that is semi-automatic.
We’ve bought a motion sensor but haven’t installed it yet. If it works well we’ll get a few more of those.
The main thing we are working on is putting an electric fence wire around the top of the perimeter fence and wall. As soon as I have enough information to write about that I’ll let everyone know. We’re talking to a company in Australia about the electric fence.
Glad you're safer!
Polly, sorry to learn about your home invasion. Glad you and your family are still with us. Too bad it takes something like this to spur great ideas and actions. Remember too, loose lips sink ships especially in today's technological world.
Polly, sorry to learn about your home invasion. Glad you and your family are still with us. Too bad it takes something like this to spur great ideas and actions. Remember too, loose lips sink ships especially in today's technological world.
Hi Gilbert. Have you tried this? Don't they expand and become useless? Just wondering :icon_rolleyes:
they don't expand..on impact they just don't burst open, and result is comparable with rubber bullet.
Pellet gun may not be the right name. It uses little round metal balls. Some of you guys would know the name of this gun (or rifle). Bob isn’t here to ask right now. The guys propped a 20mm thick plywood board up for target practice. Those pellets or whatever they are shot straight through the thick board and kept on going halfway through the field next door. I hate to think what they would do to a soft body. And this is one of the legal guns.
I have been reading all the different types of deterrents everyone has been suggesting and talking about getting.
You must be prepared to use these guns,sprays etc, and also be prepared for the concequeneces if the said weapons work, or even worse, if they dont have the desired effect. Think long and hard now as you only have a split second to think we it all happens.
You must be prepared to use these guns,sprays etc, and also be prepared for the concequeneces if the said weapons work, or even worse, if they dont have the desired effect. Think long and hard now as you only have a split second to think we it all happens.
Air gun
If the 'power/trust' of the pellet is compressed air - in the UK these are called "air guns' & also legal (....though the laws on their use in self defense are different!)
If the 'power/trust' of the pellet is compressed air - in the UK these are called "air guns' & also legal (....though the laws on their use in self defense are different!)
very true..and I would even dare to say,
if you need to think you're too late...
you know what I mean goldminer :icon_biggrin:
yep, Gil...i think we both know all about it :icon_wink: The worse case senario is to fight back with your "weapon of choice" and the attacker is still standing...smiling at you!
The air pistol with the round ball are often refered to as a BB gun, I am with Gilbert and Gold Miner on this one.
Normally when someone is in the act of crime their adrenaline levels are running high, the effect of your weapon of choice may not do what you are hoping for so you may want to have a plan B.
Let just hope it gets better not worse.
Normally when someone is in the act of crime their adrenaline levels are running high, the effect of your weapon of choice may not do what you are hoping for so you may want to have a plan B.
Let just hope it gets better not worse.
Goldminer, you’ve hit the core of the problem with having any type of weapon. In our situation I was taken by surprise and didn’t even have that split second but even if I did in the future I’m not sure I would be willing to shoot a gun if I knew it might kill. Maybe if there was enough time for logic to kick in but not in that split second you mention. And our new rifle has become the bedroom accessory I never expected to have, just sitting there for whoever wants to use it.
We did get pepper spray. That could also end up being used on me rather than an attacker but at least it wouldn’t kill. For us, at our age and our abilities I still think prevention is the best answer and a big part of our prevention, we hope, will be perimeter security and not letting the thugs in in the first place.