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kel

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I am repainting the exterior walls of my villa and would like to know what brand of paint is the best Dulux, Nippon, Propan, Jotun so many to choose from. Would you apply a water proofing first or just a specialised exterior house paint? :indecisiveness:
 

kiwi

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Simple explanation the quality comes down to the amount of resin in the paint, the test is pickup the cans and feel the weight difference.
Dulux is a quality brand but it also has its cheaper lines and again the weight will identify which is which. The Dulux Weathershield range has (not sure if it's marketed as that in Indo) a mould inhibitor in it which is handy in the Bali climate. All paints are supposed to washed annually to remove the surfactants and build up (chalking) which helps prolong the life of the paint the 10 year guarantee is nil and void if you can not proof that this has been done. Preparation is important as paint companies use a resin that has more elastodynamics (ability to expand and contract) and this can pull the existing paint off the surface and appear as bubbling which is not your new paint failing the old paint underneath. Light reflectance is another important factor the darker the colour the more light absorption the more heat and this effects a the exterior surface product. Paints are a water proof membrane and you would only water proof a area if there was dampness coming out from the surface. Most modern paint a primer-less but if you are concerned about the quality of the surface always apply a primer first, it's not good practice to mix an oil base primer with a water base top coat and not one uses a oil base top coats these day. When painting around doors and windows never used normal paint such as the exterior paint as when the two surfaces are together they react and this causes the sticking. There special water base products such as Aquanamel for doors and windows.
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Lovegrove

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Dulux Weathershield range is marketed the same here in Bali, we purchased at Mitre 10 on bypass - good quality product, we have used on many properties over the years, and is designed for exteriors.
 

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Weather coat, shield are both great products for the tropics. One word of warning in their usage: If you have unprotected (roofed) surfaces make sure you use some serious water-proofing. Take for instance outside stairs - the front of the steps is painted with one of the above and the top of the step, where we walk, is covered in something,tile, stone, whatever. When it rains on the steps the water seeps through and bubbles up on the wall as the paint is waterproof it doesn't let the water that has soaked into the top of the step out of the side. After a few rains the paint comes away.

I've had good experience with the oldest of wall coverings - whitewash, a combination of lime/salt and white cement. It's cheap, hard wearing, cheap, anti fungal (salt/lime) and cheap. Of course it only comes in one color.
 

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Hi Kel,

We only use Dulux - Weathershield Pro / Max depending on application (Max is more resilient to deflection induced cracking). With any paint job, critical is the use of the anti-alkaline primer (known as 'Alkali' in Indonesia), which seals alkaline sweating components in the wall and allows your paint a proper bond. Two coats is recommended and will more than pay for itself though unfortunately in Indonesia, more than often barely one coat is applied. Dulux 'Alkali' also comes in interior and exterior - just like the paint itself. We use Weathershield and exterior Alkali both for inside and out as its far more durable. On a new build, one coat of 'Alkali' after fine cement plaster and the second coat after 'plamir' - and make sure your painter doesn't add water to either the paint or 'Alkali', as such is a common but detrimental practice here.

All the best..

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Barekarma

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Hi Kel,
I can confirm that the workers will add water to any paint they have to hand, even if the paint instructions are very clear (in Indonesian) NOT to add water. The workers have said they believe that adding water makes it easier to paint. And some workers have (reluctantly) admitted they can't read the instructions.
Useful thread. Thanks for starting it.
Barekarma
 

kel

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Thank you all for the great info I had painted half of the house with Propan water proofing and put a joton exterior paint on top, but after reading this I decided to apply dulux primer 2 coats then the joton exterior on the other half of the house. it will be interesting to see what lasts longer. Next time I will buy dulux. Starting the interior next week should I use a exterior paint with exterior primer inside too?
 

kiwi

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That would be wasting your money, just go with a good interior paint (again the weight will give you an idea of the quality) would recommend high gloss in wet areas but have good surface preparation as this will highlight any faults and a low sheen throughout the rest. Test pots are highly recommended to test colours and how they will look as it's differs from the colour charts in most applications and the light in the room.
 

Lovegrove

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Agree Kiwi - did not get a test pot - bugger - the colour was called "cucumber" - now on walls, more like kiwi fruit, how long I can put up with? Time will tell......no pun intended or offence Kiwi hehehehe.....
 

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Use the "normal" cheap white paint on the inside and just repaint it often.

Finding a colored paint for repainting is such a problem. You first have to find the same color then you have to match that with the other walls that have faded due to sunlight.

Use white - it doesn't fade and finding the "color" again is easy.
 

Populaire

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"Next time I will buy dulux. Starting the interior next week should I use a exterior paint with exterior primer inside too?"

- that would depend on whether or not the few hundred thousand rupiah difference mattered to you. External primer and Dulux Weathershield are more durable - but they cost slightly more.


All the best,

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Lovegrove

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I think not necessary to use exterior Dulux Weathershild on the interior - but Dulux also make a great interior product, you can clean easily & should not have to keep painting again, again again...my thoughts only. I also lived in the tropics in Australia, climate similar to Bali, and I did not have to keep on repeating....up to you of course :icon_smile:
 

Markit

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LoveG that actually makes damned good sense - hadn't thought that the Duluxs are really more of a plastic covering than a paint so inside it should clean up nicely. Will try it and report back.

What happens if you put Dulux Pro on top of the previous white water based inside paint I wonder?
 

kiwi

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If it has good adhesion should not be an issue, easy test cut a small X with a sharp blade use ordinary sticking tape apply across the X and remove. If the paint does not lift away with tape all good if not use a sealer before applying new paint.
 

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Hi Kel,

We only use Dulux - Weathershield Pro / Max depending on application (Max is more resilient to deflection induced cracking). With any paint job, critical is the use of the anti-alkaline primer (known as 'Alkali' in Indonesia), which seals alkaline sweating components in the wall and allows your paint a proper bond. Two coats is recommended and will more than pay for itself though unfortunately in Indonesia, more than often barely one coat is applied. Dulux 'Alkali' also comes in interior and exterior - just like the paint itself. We use Weathershield and exterior Alkali both for inside and out as its far more durable. On a new build, one coat of 'Alkali' after fine cement plaster and the second coat after 'plamir' - and make sure your painter doesn't add water to either the paint or 'Alkali', as such is a common but detrimental practice here.

All the best..

Populaire :: Builders & Architects
 

mugwump

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I have really appreciated this post,and have purchased Dulux Weathershield Pro/Max and my workers are busy sanding off the old paint. Must I have all the old paint removed before going forward, or is it ok to just get a smooth surface? This is an outside application. Thanks
 

Markit

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"On a new build, one coat of 'Alkali' after fine cement plaster and the second coat after 'plamir' - and make sure your painter doesn't add water to either the paint or 'Alkali', as such is a common but detrimental practice here."

I quoted the part about not adding water to the paint to my guy and told him in no uncertain terms that should not happen whereupon he looked a bit "crazy Bule" at me and said that on the can it says you can add up to %10 water. I promptly (feeling fortified by this article) told him in my best know-it-all-Bule that that could not be possible.

On the can he showed where it says "can be diluted with up to maximum %10 with water".

Dulux Weathercote Pro I aint.
 

mat

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I have really appreciated this post,and have purchased Dulux Weathershield Pro/Max and my workers are busy sanding off the old paint. Must I have all the old paint removed before going forward, or is it ok to just get a smooth surface? This is an outside application. Thanks
Only have to make sure there is no flaking/loose paint.