Dumb and Dumber
I'm no expert but I can't see an "international airport" being built along that stretch of coastline as a possibility. The sea is on one side and the hills on the other. Are large jets going to land parallel to the coastline or perpendicular to it? And even IF it goes there, how and how long will it take people get down South or Ubud where most tourists will be heading to?
I hope Mr Wacko does a better job in his new position as Energy Minister, but I doubt it.
"Wonderful Indonesia", indeed.
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I'm no expert but I can't see an "international airport" being built along that stretch of coastline as a possibility. The sea is on one side and the hills on the other. Are large jets going to land parallel to the coastline or perpendicular to it? And even IF it goes there, how and how long will it take people get down South or Ubud where most tourists will be heading to?
I hope Mr Wacko does a better job in his new position as Energy Minister, but I doubt it.
"Wonderful Indonesia", indeed.
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And if Bali build's a second international airport, what will happen with the original international airport. Will Bali then have two international airports?
If Bali has two international airports, how will the airlines decide to which airport they fly? Will not nearly every Bali visitor prefer to fly to Ngurah Rai?
If Bali has two international airports, how will the airlines decide to which airport they fly? Will not nearly every Bali visitor prefer to fly to Ngurah Rai?
you guys do realize that 'international' doesn't actually mean that international flights will arrive...
there are airports that have international in their name, without any international flights arriving...
there are airports that have international in their name, without any international flights arriving...
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eventually there will be going international flights in and out from the new airport.
but as far as I know not immediatly.
airlines will choose what's cheaper for them in the long run..i.e.landingfees/groundhandling fees/etcetc..
ngurah airport will stay as it is, not like open up a new one so the old one gets closed.
I agree with that most people will prefer to fly into the south...maybe international cargo flights will head north, relieving the traffic down south :icon_wink:
eventually there will be going international flights in and out from the new airport.
but as far as I know not immediatly.
airlines will choose what's cheaper for them in the long run..i.e.landingfees/groundhandling fees/etcetc..
ngurah airport will stay as it is, not like open up a new one so the old one gets closed.
I agree with that most people will prefer to fly into the south...maybe international cargo flights will head north, relieving the traffic down south :icon_wink:
Yeah - now wouldn't that be great? How would the cargo then get down south? Via Bedugul, Pupuan or Kintamani?
Why don't they build the thing inside the Batur caldera? It would make as much "sense" as this poorly conceived fantasy (nightmare?).
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Which is going to be built where, exactly and when? From north to south over the mountain range or are they "planning" to build long tunnels through it?
The Serangen-Nusa Dua "tollway", all 11.5 kms of it, is still a work in progress (and a poorly thought-out band-aid measure). The removal of the statue at Simpang Siur might finally begin in November. Oops - sorry, I think they've decided to leave the bloody thing there and either build a fly-over if they can afford to buy the surrounding land, or build a tunnel underneath it (where the water table is around 1.5 metres).
I'll believe it all when I see it...
Same here...I believe it when I see it, I mean build and done..not just the drawings.
from sririt over the mountains through pupunan and then connecting down south
from sririt over the mountains through pupunan and then connecting down south
I vaguely remember that that is the proposed route for the "North-South Tollway" (or whatever it's going to be called, if it ever happens).
From Seririt through Pupuan and then where? To Antasari, to join the main heavily congested Gilimanuk-Denpasar road? WTF?
I think the current road between Seririt and Antasari passes through some especially beautiful countryside. (I try not to spread that information widely, since some resorts/hotels have already begun their invasions - can't win, I guess). A toll road through there will fuck it up, big time, not that the "planners" give a stuff about that.
So, maybe an "International" airport somewhere between west of Tejakula and Singaraja, and then presumably, new arrivals wanting to get down South get transported via the "toll road" to Denpasar? Makes about as much sense to me as tits on a bull.
I also find it difficult to imagine cargo trucks driving through Singaraja to Lovina and then Seririt to get to Denpasar. It's all way too stupid for my little brain.
I just hope the idiots behind all of this wake up to themselves in time. Unfortunately, I doubt it.
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From Seririt through Pupuan and then where? To Antasari, to join the main heavily congested Gilimanuk-Denpasar road? WTF?
I think the current road between Seririt and Antasari passes through some especially beautiful countryside. (I try not to spread that information widely, since some resorts/hotels have already begun their invasions - can't win, I guess). A toll road through there will fuck it up, big time, not that the "planners" give a stuff about that.
So, maybe an "International" airport somewhere between west of Tejakula and Singaraja, and then presumably, new arrivals wanting to get down South get transported via the "toll road" to Denpasar? Makes about as much sense to me as tits on a bull.
I also find it difficult to imagine cargo trucks driving through Singaraja to Lovina and then Seririt to get to Denpasar. It's all way too stupid for my little brain.
I just hope the idiots behind all of this wake up to themselves in time. Unfortunately, I doubt it.
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from sririt over the mountains and then not connecting to the Gillimanuk-DPS road, but going 'straight' down south and connect somewhere near Bedugul..
airport a bit to the west of sririt...so the plans/drawings make sense, but feasability and if it really is going to happen is like you said another :icon_biggrin:
airport a bit to the west of sririt...so the plans/drawings make sense, but feasability and if it really is going to happen is like you said another :icon_biggrin:
I remember reading s few months ago about a railway line along the west coast completed by 2014!!! it must be true coz I read in the paper (online I think) lol
I also heard a very long time ago the the plan for the second airport would initially be domestic, plus small shuttle flights from one airport to the other.
I've been here long enough to believe it when I see it.
I also heard a very long time ago the the plan for the second airport would initially be domestic, plus small shuttle flights from one airport to the other.
I've been here long enough to believe it when I see it.
Airport Planning by Airheads
This absurdly simplistic lack of planning that conveys " Build it and they will come" mentality is too absurd to be considered seriously. No consideration for: lack of access, unavailability of accommodations, long travel to adequate accommodations, inadequate physical attractions in the vicinity, all this to say nothing about the fact that the airlines and the manufacturers of the latest largest and most economical airliners and their respective needs are going to have a lot to say about whether they intend to use a facility that would perhaps be totally inadequate for their requirements. Total bullshit to attract dumb speculation can be the only motivation.
This absurdly simplistic lack of planning that conveys " Build it and they will come" mentality is too absurd to be considered seriously. No consideration for: lack of access, unavailability of accommodations, long travel to adequate accommodations, inadequate physical attractions in the vicinity, all this to say nothing about the fact that the airlines and the manufacturers of the latest largest and most economical airliners and their respective needs are going to have a lot to say about whether they intend to use a facility that would perhaps be totally inadequate for their requirements. Total bullshit to attract dumb speculation can be the only motivation.
Method & Madness?
Batam has an 'international airport' :icon_rolleyes:
But on a serious note, everyone is assuming that the tourists' target destination will be in the south.
How long does it take to build an airport? Many years ago as it was being topped out I interviewed an Architect from the company that designed Sukarno Harta (Arup, I think)... he said: after land aquisition - between 6 - 10 years.
So how long does it take to build a few international hotels & toss up a bunch of beach bungalows like Kuta had 15 years ago?
So does anyone see the strategy:
Take the pressure off the Southern Resorts
Start construction of an airport above Batur
Watch the tourism infrastructure build itself
Just a thought
Batam has an 'international airport' :icon_rolleyes:
But on a serious note, everyone is assuming that the tourists' target destination will be in the south.
How long does it take to build an airport? Many years ago as it was being topped out I interviewed an Architect from the company that designed Sukarno Harta (Arup, I think)... he said: after land aquisition - between 6 - 10 years.
So how long does it take to build a few international hotels & toss up a bunch of beach bungalows like Kuta had 15 years ago?
So does anyone see the strategy:
Take the pressure off the Southern Resorts
Start construction of an airport above Batur
Watch the tourism infrastructure build itself
Just a thought
I don't subscribe to the theory of "build an airport and they will come". The south of Bali was originally attractive because of the good surfing. The surfers came and others followed. That's been true for many places in the world such as Hawaii and Cuzumel, Mexico. Other places became popular because "jet setters" half a century ago travelled there for the exceptional beauty and privacy such as the Amalfi coast in Italy. Others then followed as the place became well-known through the media. Ubud originally became popular because a few celebrities came for the art and bohemian lifestyle. Through the media it then became known and people followed.
I'm only talking about tourist locations. I can't think of a big city in the world that didn't grow and develop as a result of transport. But tourist locations need a trigger and the north of Bali hasn't created that interest point.
I'm only talking about tourist locations. I can't think of a big city in the world that didn't grow and develop as a result of transport. But tourist locations need a trigger and the north of Bali hasn't created that interest point.
It makes sense to also build a northern airport, There are many expats or balinese who have family in lovina and singaraja, it wouldnt make sense to buidl it there amongst the hills but flat ground in the north is possible, not every visitor to Bali wants to rest work and play around kuta
They wanted to build an airport in Negara before which would be BY FAR the better choice (east java could use it too) but since Pastika is the new governor and originally from Singaraja now of course the new airport has to be built in SINGARAJA...it the governor would be from Amed i guess it would be Amed :icon_e_sad:
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