I don't see why a retirement village would be a possible threat to children....
Yeah, maybe because of all the sweets handed out, a threat to their teeth...
Yeah, maybe because of all the sweets handed out, a threat to their teeth...
Ni Luh,
What can I say except many thanks for your kind words and support.
It’s clear from Angie’s post that she is not clear how life is in a small kampung di Bali. There are no secrets in a kampung di Bali...hell, even the coconuts have eyes and talk among themselves. No illegal activities can go on in my village without everyone knowing about it. If my village ever felt for one second that a community of foreign retirees could pose a threat to them, or their children, they would have never voted to accept the project.
As you gave me so much support Ni Luh, you are 100% correct that I defend the rights of children with an equal passion that I defend those rights of my own, and my wife’s.
As a point of fact, all of our lease contracts will have a criminal forfeiture clause, which basically means, any tenant convicted of any criminal charges such as drug possession, or the sale thereof, pedophilia, aggravated assault, murder, extortion, etc, will forfeit all rights of their lease back to the banjar. You will note that the clause will say “conviction” as opposed to charged. There has never been a case of pedophilia in our village, and I expect it will remain that way. In the almost eight years I’ve lived in my village, there hasn’t even been a theft.
Oddly enough, there is a new law concerning pornography being bantered about in the house of parliament, or DPR in Jakarta. Within this law, even the wearing of bikini swimwear on public beaches would be outlawed. Also, the wearing of traditional brocade tops, which are somewhat see through, by Balinese women would be banned. The most sickening aspect of this proposed law, as it currently sits in draft from, would be a reduction in the age of an adult to what is currently 18 to 12. I kid you not...and no pun intended.
Can you imagine? No bikini wear on the beaches of Bali, but sex with a 13 year old is legal!
The parliament of Bali, or the provincial Bali DPR is going crazy with this utterly unacceptable proposition. As one legislator was quoted in the Bali Post...”what kind of idiot would dream up this ridiculous proposal?” A woman was quoted, “is my grandmother to go to jail because she still doesn’t wear a top?”
Rest assured, in Bali, children will be protected, at least in the majority of villages. They will be allowed to be the kids they are to the full ability of the Balinese to keep them safe. Moreover, the wonderful dadongs of Bali will not be thrown in jail just because they like things the way they used to be...and the tourists in bikinis won’t be put in jail either.
What can I say except many thanks for your kind words and support.
It’s clear from Angie’s post that she is not clear how life is in a small kampung di Bali. There are no secrets in a kampung di Bali...hell, even the coconuts have eyes and talk among themselves. No illegal activities can go on in my village without everyone knowing about it. If my village ever felt for one second that a community of foreign retirees could pose a threat to them, or their children, they would have never voted to accept the project.
As you gave me so much support Ni Luh, you are 100% correct that I defend the rights of children with an equal passion that I defend those rights of my own, and my wife’s.
As a point of fact, all of our lease contracts will have a criminal forfeiture clause, which basically means, any tenant convicted of any criminal charges such as drug possession, or the sale thereof, pedophilia, aggravated assault, murder, extortion, etc, will forfeit all rights of their lease back to the banjar. You will note that the clause will say “conviction” as opposed to charged. There has never been a case of pedophilia in our village, and I expect it will remain that way. In the almost eight years I’ve lived in my village, there hasn’t even been a theft.
Oddly enough, there is a new law concerning pornography being bantered about in the house of parliament, or DPR in Jakarta. Within this law, even the wearing of bikini swimwear on public beaches would be outlawed. Also, the wearing of traditional brocade tops, which are somewhat see through, by Balinese women would be banned. The most sickening aspect of this proposed law, as it currently sits in draft from, would be a reduction in the age of an adult to what is currently 18 to 12. I kid you not...and no pun intended.
Can you imagine? No bikini wear on the beaches of Bali, but sex with a 13 year old is legal!
The parliament of Bali, or the provincial Bali DPR is going crazy with this utterly unacceptable proposition. As one legislator was quoted in the Bali Post...”what kind of idiot would dream up this ridiculous proposal?” A woman was quoted, “is my grandmother to go to jail because she still doesn’t wear a top?”
Rest assured, in Bali, children will be protected, at least in the majority of villages. They will be allowed to be the kids they are to the full ability of the Balinese to keep them safe. Moreover, the wonderful dadongs of Bali will not be thrown in jail just because they like things the way they used to be...and the tourists in bikinis won’t be put in jail either.
Roy ...where theres a will theres a way ...bad people go undetected till its too late , im sure even in your village .sorry
Hi Jamie
None yet, but do plan to have one or two in the future. I am still fairly young so don’t have to rush.
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Hi Angie
Sorry Angie, I was not meaning to condescend you. I was speaking to all readers on the subject of Paedophiles; this is why I purposely did not open my post by addressing you directly. This subject recently lowered the tone of the Valentines thread I created also.
Why would a retirement home in a lovely Balinese Village surrounded by caring people be ripe for exploitation by Paedophiles :?:
Regards
Ni Luh
Jamie said:
None yet, but do plan to have one or two in the future. I am still fairly young so don’t have to rush.
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Hi Angie
Angie said:
Sorry Angie, I was not meaning to condescend you. I was speaking to all readers on the subject of Paedophiles; this is why I purposely did not open my post by addressing you directly. This subject recently lowered the tone of the Valentines thread I created also.
Angie said:
Why would a retirement home in a lovely Balinese Village surrounded by caring people be ripe for exploitation by Paedophiles :?:
Regards
Ni Luh
The fear of something bad might happen may never stand in the way of something good being established.
Re: RE: Residence for seniors / retire in Bali
Ni Luh, as you have had enough of the pedophile issue, I will refrain from discussing it further with you.
Thank you Roy, for eventually getting around to answering my question :roll:
Ni Luh, as you have had enough of the pedophile issue, I will refrain from discussing it further with you.
Roy said:
Thank you Roy, for eventually getting around to answering my question :roll:
Jamie writes:
Who can deny the truth in that statement? However, I can assure you that Bergen New Jersey and Bunutan, Bali are like night and day. Bunutan is a very, very close knit village. There are no secrets here, or at least none that remain a secret for very long. It’s hard to explain this to someone who has never lived in a small Balinese kampung, so I guess you’ll just have to take my word for it.
For certain, the activities of any tamu living in such a village is well known within the village. Moreover, I can assure you that the intell branch of Polda is well aware of the activities of foreigners living in Bali, and that all of us has a file.
While none of these precautions can guarantee that nothing bad can happen, in my view the chances are much less here than in most parts of the world.
Ni Luh writes:
Good question. I was thinking the very same thing. Since Angie doesn't want to address this issue with you directly, maybe she will answer this question for my benefit?
Who can deny the truth in that statement? However, I can assure you that Bergen New Jersey and Bunutan, Bali are like night and day. Bunutan is a very, very close knit village. There are no secrets here, or at least none that remain a secret for very long. It’s hard to explain this to someone who has never lived in a small Balinese kampung, so I guess you’ll just have to take my word for it.
For certain, the activities of any tamu living in such a village is well known within the village. Moreover, I can assure you that the intell branch of Polda is well aware of the activities of foreigners living in Bali, and that all of us has a file.
While none of these precautions can guarantee that nothing bad can happen, in my view the chances are much less here than in most parts of the world.
Ni Luh writes:
Good question. I was thinking the very same thing. Since Angie doesn't want to address this issue with you directly, maybe she will answer this question for my benefit?
Re: RE: Residence for seniors / retire in Bali
If in a perfect world the residents in your village were all "caring people" then of course, no problem. I was asking how you were going to ensure that all the residents were "caring people" and not pedophiles.
It is clear that this scenario has already been considered by the banjar and yourself, as I fully expected it had been, so why question my initial reasoning?
You have already answered my question Roy, no further disucssion was required, that is why I didn't answer Ni Luh.
Now, I am turning off the computer and enjoying my Sunday with my family.
Roy said:
If in a perfect world the residents in your village were all "caring people" then of course, no problem. I was asking how you were going to ensure that all the residents were "caring people" and not pedophiles.
It is clear that this scenario has already been considered by the banjar and yourself, as I fully expected it had been, so why question my initial reasoning?
You have already answered my question Roy, no further disucssion was required, that is why I didn't answer Ni Luh.
Now, I am turning off the computer and enjoying my Sunday with my family.
Angie writes....
BINGO lady, you've got it! Bloody rue, you win the prize!
Angie! My village is about as "perfect a world" as one would ever see.
If you don't think so, then either get over here, or talk to some of the members on this forum that have been here.
My "issue" with you is that you assumed, some how, and out of nowhere, that the nature of this project would encourage pedophiles. And ya, that sort of un-based logic set me off a bit, especially when it comes from someone who knows nothing about Bali.
I hope you had a great Sunday with your family. For us, we played in the swimming pool all day long...and it was hot too!
BINGO lady, you've got it! Bloody rue, you win the prize!
Angie! My village is about as "perfect a world" as one would ever see.
If you don't think so, then either get over here, or talk to some of the members on this forum that have been here.
My "issue" with you is that you assumed, some how, and out of nowhere, that the nature of this project would encourage pedophiles. And ya, that sort of un-based logic set me off a bit, especially when it comes from someone who knows nothing about Bali.
I hope you had a great Sunday with your family. For us, we played in the swimming pool all day long...and it was hot too!
I havent been to Ubud but i have hear going out at night in the dark is dodgey and dangerous. :shock: :shock:
Yes Roy i am afraid there have been warnings about Ubud for all you love about it . Frankly health warning regarding certain parts of Ubud.
Confused eh well lets just say a certain establishment called Naughty Nuris comes with a health warning about staying in there to long for risk of ending up totally without feeling in ones legs and also problems with ones Balance. I wonder just what it could be eh ? :wink: :wink: :wink:
Any ideas Roy at all
Rgd Spark
Yes Roy i am afraid there have been warnings about Ubud for all you love about it . Frankly health warning regarding certain parts of Ubud.
Confused eh well lets just say a certain establishment called Naughty Nuris comes with a health warning about staying in there to long for risk of ending up totally without feeling in ones legs and also problems with ones Balance. I wonder just what it could be eh ? :wink: :wink: :wink:
Any ideas Roy at all
Rgd Spark
Ok folks, What's the point here?
The world is not perfect. But though I have never been in one personally. I have studied the goings on in an adat comunity INTENSELY.
I can not imagine a more wonderful atmosphere for children to grow in. And if my mother were still alive...how she would have loved to retire in her beloved Bali.
-So westerners lock up your kids. They are Far from safe here. And stick grandma in a home. That way you can get about your hurried lives without worries.
And Sparky, If I sit too long anywhere I sometimes can't feel my legs.
I assume you are refering to 'date-rape' drugs ie. GHB or the like. I go to clubs and rave parties all the time. It is foolish to leave any drink unattended. Anywhere.
If I were to have children. I would drop everything and get our asses on the Island as fast as possible.
It is NOT safe to be a child here in the USA!
The world is not perfect. But though I have never been in one personally. I have studied the goings on in an adat comunity INTENSELY.
I can not imagine a more wonderful atmosphere for children to grow in. And if my mother were still alive...how she would have loved to retire in her beloved Bali.
-So westerners lock up your kids. They are Far from safe here. And stick grandma in a home. That way you can get about your hurried lives without worries.
And Sparky, If I sit too long anywhere I sometimes can't feel my legs.
I assume you are refering to 'date-rape' drugs ie. GHB or the like. I go to clubs and rave parties all the time. It is foolish to leave any drink unattended. Anywhere.
If I were to have children. I would drop everything and get our asses on the Island as fast as possible.
It is NOT safe to be a child here in the USA!
I Made...matur suksuma!
Frankly, I regret the day...some months ago, when I first brought this topic up. It’s often painfully clear how many folks have no idea about Bali.
Frankly, I regret the day...some months ago, when I first brought this topic up. It’s often painfully clear how many folks have no idea about Bali.
Re: RE: Residence for seniors / retire in Bali
It is not like me to resort to name calling but Roy, you are a pompous a**
I am tired of you. You and I are like "night and day", here's hoping you don't "ebb with the tide" aaaaaaaaaaah :evil:
I am currently cleansing my heart, soul and home of clutter, consider yourself cleared.
Sorry, Bert . . . I would have liked to stay, but he's just not worth it
Roy said:
It is not like me to resort to name calling but Roy, you are a pompous a**
I am tired of you. You and I are like "night and day", here's hoping you don't "ebb with the tide" aaaaaaaaaaah :evil:
I am currently cleansing my heart, soul and home of clutter, consider yourself cleared.
Sorry, Bert . . . I would have liked to stay, but he's just not worth it
