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Bali Governor Made Mangku Pastika has said a “population explosion” fueled largely by transmigration from other parts of the country is to blame for a recent surge in crimes targeting foreigners on the island.

The governor said on Tuesday that in the past three years, there had been a net inflow of at least 300,000 people into Bali, pushing the island’s total population to almost four million.

“Those are only the registered residents; there’s no saying how many people come and stay without registering,” he said.

He added the link between an increased population and rising crime was self-evident.

“Wherever you have humans, you have crime,” Pastika said.

“So the more the people and their problems, the more crime you’ll have. It’s a given.”

The governor also blamed long-term visitors for inviting crime by not integrating more closely with local communities.

“They come and build their villas in remote areas as they please, but they don’t socialize with the locals or the police, so eventually people start figuring out that these guys are an easy target for burglary or robbery,” he said.

Nonetheless, Pastika said the crime wave should not be taken lightly and called on tourism industry stakeholders to invest in security measures such as setting up CCTV cameras.

“Any cheap ones will do given the threat we face,” he said.


‘Population Bomb’ to Blame for Crimes Against Foreigners, Bali Governor Says | The Jakarta Globe
 

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The more I read from this guy the more I get the feeling that this is another one of those politicos that states the absolute bleeding obvious as if it was some sort of revelation.

I mean what is the deeper meaning of his profound statement on security cameras “Any cheap ones will do given the threat we face,” he said. ?

Does he mean - put up any old camera as it will get stolen anyway?

Or are the new thieves so stupid they can't tell the difference and be scared off by a tin can with a string on it?
 

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I agree with you Markit. He or his PR people keep putting out conflicting announcements all the time.

Not long ago, he was aiming for 10 million tourists/year...soon. Given that Bali's population is already four million (not counting "tourists"), and increasing at 400,000/year, his "net inflow" figure of 300,000/year can only mean the place is filling up with "Javanese". And the actual Balinese are only producing 100,000 offspring annually.

Bali's crumbling existing infrastructure and band-aid attempts to fix things don't seem to be working. The proposed new international airport up north sounds pretty stupid to me (but what would I know?). Building the railway system to encircle Bali has supposedly already started. Some professorial local experts have stated that these two "projects" spell the beginning of the end for Bali. I wonder if they will be heard and listened to?

Big water table problems (slap big taxes 500-1000% on hotels). Some idiots want to build yet another golf course (this time in Batur). Electricity supplies are barely coping. I haven't counted them but at least 75% of the "roads" in Bali are stuffed (being generous).

Does he mean - put up any old camera as it will get stolen anyway?
Or are the new thieves so stupid they can't tell the difference and be scared off by a tin can with a string on it?
Depends what kind of tin can and string we use...

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The more I read from this guy the more I get the feeling that this is another one of those politicos that states the absolute bleeding obvious as if it was some sort of revelation.

I mean what is the deeper meaning of his profound statement on security cameras “Any cheap ones will do given the threat we face,” he said. ?

Does he mean - put up any old camera as it will get stolen anyway?

Or are the new thieves so stupid they can't tell the difference and be scared off by a tin can with a string on it?



I think he's just invested in a company that sells security cameras Markit. :icon_lol:
 

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The governor also blamed long-term visitors for inviting crime by not integrating more closely with local communities.

“They come and build their villas in remote areas as they please, but they don’t socialize with the locals or the police, so eventually people start figuring out that these guys are an easy target for burglary or robbery,” he said.


How will socializing with locals and police make it less likely you will be burgled?
Maybe give potential robbers a chance to 'case the joint' and/or
I suspect too much socializing will leave you with nothing left to steal.
 

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It's interesting how he can blame everyone but the criminals themselves.
 

Markit

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It's interesting how he can blame everyone but the criminals themselves.

If he did blame the criminals guess who would have to do something about it? The magnificent terrorist catcher Governor :icon_wink:


"I suspect too much socializing will leave you with nothing left to steal."

Very Good Mat - made me laugh too.
 
If he did blame the criminals guess who would have to do something about it? The magnificent terrorist catcher Governor :icon_wink:


"I suspect too much socializing will leave you with nothing left to steal."

Very Good Mat - made me laugh too.

Mr Pastika is caught between a rock and a hardplace. He cannot stop the transmigrants coming from java without being accused of all sorts of issues. He as police commander was 'removed' from his post in papua. What he is stating is that the increase in crime is proportionate to those coming here registered and those not registered (temporary KTP). Since he cannot limit or control access he is advising foreigners to consider socialising their presence in their locations. For example are foreigners registered with their local polsek? The same re village or desa heads; if not then they should be. Re security ideally if your in a billion rupiah villa then at least consider a few operational cameras sprinkled with a few fake ones:icon_mrgreen:
 

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Mr Pastika is caught between a rock and a hardplace. He cannot stop the transmigrants coming from java without being accused of all sorts of issues. He as police commander was 'removed' from his post in papua. What he is stating is that the increase in crime is proportionate to those coming here registered and those not registered (temporary KTP). Since he cannot limit or control access he is advising foreigners to consider socialising their presence in their locations. For example are foreigners registered with their local polsek? The same re village or desa heads; if not then they should be. Re security ideally if your in a billion rupiah villa then at least consider a few operational cameras sprinkled with a few fake ones:icon_mrgreen:

Seriously, do you think registering with the police [which I do every month] will have any effect on whether you are burgled or not?
CCTV may well have a place in the streets but again, if you have it at home won't it show you have something to steal and the thieves, surely they will just cover their faces?
Here the police are 'out in force' standing by the side of the roads and at every junction in the morning. Then they seem to disappear, what happens to them after 9 am?
 

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Panji, Singaraja.
after 9 it's time for some kopi with pisang goreng after that some paperwork at the office(wich comes down to discussing everything but work) after that they go tend their own businesses and it's already time for makan siang (lunch), ofcourse after lunch take a nap (tidur siang), around 16 back to the office and those who are out of luck or need some extra cash, will join with the daily STNK/SIM roadblocks...


As for the CCTV...just another thing what would get unwanted attention and equipment itself is likely to be stolen...
 
Seriously, do you think registering with the police [which I do every month] will have any effect on whether you are burgled or not?
CCTV may well have a place in the streets but again, if you have it at home won't it show you have something to steal and the thieves, surely they will just cover their faces?
Here the police are 'out in force' standing by the side of the roads and at every junction in the morning. Then they seem to disappear, what happens to them after 9 am?

Firstly registering with police is a requirement either by yourself or via your landlord if residing out of hotels. Legal issues aside, as mentioned if you reside in a billion rupiah residence then your a target whether you live like a spartan or caligula. Prepare for the worst and expect the best? the costs of security options are minor and mitigation is the procurement of these basic options (guard for night hours only ((I myself prefer trained female guard)) grilling windows, panic alarms, cameras (battery back up) and a few cricket bats. That being said the amount of live in house staff who have no idea who to call in an emergency i.e nearest police, fire and hospital should be more of a concern and these are easily addressed. Re the police out in the morning they are traffic police and should not be compared to the others who circulate without and with uniforms accross kuta/legian. A checklist of security mitigation is usually found on the consulate websites or expat websites. I hope this clarifies my initial post:icon_evil:
 
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hollywood

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register with police???

Hi All
i am new to this forum,find it really interesting reading and enlightening.

Can i ask you a question?
We are moving over from aussie land this year, house should be finished by june yeah!!
What is this, you register with the police?
do we need to do this as ex pats retired?
cheers thanks
 

gilbert de jong

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hai hollywood,
first of all welcome :)
yeah also on an retirement kitas you should/have to register with the local police-office.
It's nothing more then telling them who you are, bring your passort and kitas...
last time I went they also took my fingerprints and asked for a copy of my passport.
btw, chances are when your kitas is being done by an agency, they will also take care of registering at the police. Along with the kitas, you will receive a bluebook and a white piece of paper wich is the police-registration.
Don't forget to register at the office of the kepala desa too..
goodluck with the move, and hope your house will be finished as planned in June.
friendly greetings, gilbert.