komangkiwi57

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hi fellow formites

i have built 3 rammed earth villas in kerobokan and has with stood the test of time and weather lately but my house is still intact now im waiting for the next good shake to test out my earth quake setup i have built into the walls which was designed by a american in sanfransico it has survived a small shake with no wall cracks or damaged so anyone wishing to build this building it is 50 times stronger than a normal brick house and with less concrete so with that in ming check out my facebook page bali griya rammedearth solutions for piks cheers
 

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Markit

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I applaud your efforts and hope they are successful - as a one-time Californian I'm familiar with the concept of rammed earth building and they have been widely attempted in California but, to my limited knowledge, with only limited success due to the extremes of environment there - heat in summer, wet in winter combined with regular trembles from the ground. Similar to Bali, actually :icon_wink:

I hope they stand the test of time.

Only one other hair in my soup, the rammed earth construction I know is usually using clay/terracotta earth. Yours seems to be a white substance - I pray this isn't processed coral...?
 

komangkiwi57

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rammedearth

thats correct people who have limited knowledge about rammed earth dont know much as some of the best rammed earth houses are built in west australia the builder that helped me in this concept is australias leading rammed earth builder who i flew to bali to oversee construction and also provided the mix formula for the whole project as for the lime stone it worked out as the best product for the mix as its is close to zero clay as clay is a no no in rammed earth abode because clay does not compact for strength thats why to do this project you need professionals and i am lucky to have 3 such builders on my team standing the test of time no worries i can guarantee that i have had many sceptic to my proyek trying to get the formula but i have this safely locked away in my skull and there is also a steel structure design inside the rammedearth for earthquake shakes and cyclone proof roof setup so yes i have done my home work as this is a passion of mine as well as my 3 friends who have visited and given me the stamp of approval so i hope to educate builders and locals that rammed earth is the future my motto be mean 2b green cheers:icon_e_ugeek:

I applaud your efforts and hope they are successful - as a one-time Californian I'm familiar with the concept of rammed earth building and they have been widely attempted in California but, to my limited knowledge, with only limited success due to the extremes of environment there - heat in summer, wet in winter combined with regular trembles from the ground. Similar to Bali, actually :icon_wink:

I hope they stand the test of time.

Only one other hair in my soup, the rammed earth construction I know is usually using clay/terracotta earth. Yours seems to be a white substance - I pray this isn't processed coral...?
 

gilbert de jong

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looks very poreus? I mean the walls...hope your skull isn't as poreus as the formula,hahaha..just joking!
seriously it looks nice, but not for me. wishing you luck, friendly greetings gilbert.
 

Markit

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Why the secrecy about your mixture?

If you come on an open forum and want to "Big" up your project (and possibly sell it???) then you better be prepared to answer some questions about it.

Since I doubt if the world is panting for your secret recipe (you aint Colonel Sanders or Coca Cola) you might just as well tell the people here, who might be able to advance your project, some more about it?

Or is there something to hide?:icon_wink:

Oh and some periods and commas are good - I almost suffocated.
 

Fred2

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It's sounds like $$$$$$$$$$ so I'am sure it will be a big hit in Bali, lots of eco friendly building projects in Australia but they cost big dollars.
 

SamD

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clay in rammed earth walls.

thats correct people who have limited knowledge about rammed earth dont know much as some of the best rammed earth houses are built in west australia the builder that helped me in this concept is australias leading rammed earth builder who i flew to bali to oversee construction and also provided the mix formula for the whole project as for the lime stone it worked out as the best product for the mix as its is close to zero clay as clay is a no no in rammed earth abode because clay does not compact for strength thats why to do this project you need professionals and i am lucky to have 3 such builders on my team standing the test of time no worries i can guarantee that i have had many sceptic to my proyek trying to get the formula but i have this safely locked away in my skull and there is also a steel structure design inside the rammedearth for earthquake shakes and cyclone proof roof setup so yes i have done my home work as this is a passion of mine as well as my 3 friends who have visited and given me the stamp of approval so i hope to educate builders and locals that rammed earth is the future my motto be mean 2b green cheers:icon_e_ugeek:

From Wikipedia:

"Building a rammed earth wall involves a process of compressing a damp mixture of earth that has suitable proportions of sand, gravel and clay (sometimes with an added stabilizer) into an externally supported frame, creating a solid wall of earth. Historically, stabilizers such as lime or animal blood were used to stabilize the material, whilst modern rammed earth construction uses lime, cement or asphalt emulsions. Some modern builders also add coloured oxides or other items such as bottles or pieces of timber to add variety to the structure."

I'm not an expert, but this contradicts your assertion that clay is a "no-no".

And also :

CONTINUITY OF TRADITION : NEW EARTH BUILDING
Stephen Dobson
BEng., BCom., Registered Builder 3982

Committee Member JTC BD/83 – Joint Technical Committee of Standards Association of Australia and Standards New Zealand for preparation of a Standard for Earth Building for Australia and New Zealand


"Ability to keep out the elements. This generally requires the walls to be totally waterproof under all weather conditions. Traditionally clay in the earth used for construction was the key element in keeping out the water. Practitioners should be aware that deleting some or all of the clay under some earth building techniques lessens the waterproofness of the building and that substituting surface coatings and chemicals may not be in the best long term interests of the building. Indeed, the line is often crossed when earth building techniques are used with mixes which are so highly contrived as to be not true earth building but more conventional masonry mixes applied with earth building techniques"

Full article is here:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/rogergarlick/Terra2000.doc

I agree with Markit, have your poured all your punctuation marks into your rammed earth walls? Maybe that's the secret? I think we should be told. :)

There is no way I would contract a builder if he refused to tell me the details of the building materials he was using.

Regards
 
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Vin

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So which one is you .....Komangkiwi57 or Baliboy57...???? Need to to know much more abt you and the secret formula ...otherwise you will be off my list also
 

gilbert de jong

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oldest trick in the book....being secretive (formula), creating a hype around the product (using facebook amongst others) ofcourse with the intend to sell.
Nothing wrong with that, if the product is good....but cyclone-proof roof ?? or earthquake-proof walls for that matter?? yeah right...lol.
 

T.J

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Maybe the secret formula is concrete...............!
Seriously though,: as I am in the construction business and will be continuing so in Bali at the end of January, I have carried out a great deal of research on alternative construction methods and would have to say that while I don't right the concept off........... I won't be offering this method to clients in Bali's climate.:icon_e_sad:
 

chrisco

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Worth another look

Lack of punctuation aside, the idea of rammed earth as a construction material for Bali deserves more than a second look.

Rammed earth houses are renowned for being durable, cool to live in for tropical climates and earthquake resistant because of their solid mass. The article SamD introduced explains much of this in some depth. This is in contrast with the concrete post and beam with batako infill construction commonly used throughout Indonesia which is not known for any of these characteristcs.

As for the secret formula, Komangbali is probably referring to the tests that his friend would have done to get the cement/limestone mix right. Hardly a secret... it's done before starting almost all stabilised rammed earth dwellings... there are some photos of this on his facebook blog and even mentions that it is an 8/92% cement/limestone ratio. This is a fairly common mix for stabilised earth houses thesedays, other additives not mentioned such as water repellants and dust suppressants are also not secrets and commmonly used.

Given that one of the main reasons the use of stabilised rammed earth is often limited to luxury homes in Western countries is the high cost of labour, the use of it in Bali where labour is much cheaper would justify a bit more consideration.
 

anso

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Hello... I am new in this forum, but I have some experience in the construction industry as an architect.

As far as I know, solid mass isn't suitable for building in tropical climate where temperature level difference between day and night is very low. Which means that the building will release heat very slowly during night time. You should try to shade the walls that are facing east and west and I hope that the building has been damp proofed properly.

Lightweight construction is the best way to build in tropical climate. Although I have to admit that the pictures look really cool.
 

ronb

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I agree 100%. The insulation properties of the walls are of no interest in the tropics. The design features that do help are those which influence ventilation and shading. Also a high roof helps to reduce the impact of direct sun.
 
Secret..., what secret... 8~)

I am not so sure there is any 'real' secret. If you make contact with any of the specialist rammed earth builders (or their 'hands on' employees) in the south/west of Western Australia (especially the "Margaret River" area), they can give you a good idea of basic 'why's and wherefores'..., these builders can help you and because many of them holiday up here every year..., I would say with prior contact and negotiation...., well who knows what is possible.

The process and various mixes (and especially sealers and stabilizers) for rammed earth/rammed limestone (especially suitable for Wet Tropical areas), are 'no big secret' and there is no doubt, they are very beautiful houses in both look and feel, with great thermal mass insulation qualities..., so long as some other things are in place...., e.g. good air circulation, cross flow ventilation, ceiling insulation and minimum windows in direct sun light.
 

hermit

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Limestone/cement suitable for walls?

Lack of punctuation aside, the idea of rammed earth as a construction material for Bali deserves more than a second look.

Given that one of the main reasons the use of stabilised rammed earth is often limited to luxury homes in Western countries is the high cost of labour, the use of it in Bali where labour is much cheaper would justify a bit more consideration.

When reading this,i wonder if a cement-limestonemix would be suitable as wallfinishing on batako or light-weight beton blocks.
it might give a more natural look than cement(acian) alone.
Anyway,for the rammed-earth walls do you have to pulverize the limestone first?
If so,how is it done generally?
 

Populaire

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Any way you cut the cake the truth is that rammed earth offers far less of a satisfactory solution to building in Indonesia when compared to reinforced concrete. So unless it's a fraction of the price (which seems unlikely) it's a terrible application on the island of Bali, or anywhere in the tropics for that matter.

Best of luck!

Populaire
 

BenniCuba

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Hi we've just purchased some land in Bali and are looking at building limestone rammed earth walls. Can you please tell us who is the best contact in bali on rammed earth and the approximate costs involved. We haven't finalized a design as yet but will be coming to Bali next week to do so.

Thanks kindly