Lea

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Thanks Alex for that information...

That is exactly what I thought, because the new structure is completely different as in shape and size
we would need to apply for a new IMB...I will verify this with the notary next time I visit her..
 

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Excerpt from the Markit Book of Knowledge (abridged addition)


Indonesia survival course 101 - the first step in finding the correct answer to any questions here is to ask someone that has no financial interest in the answer either way.
 

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Indonesia survival course 101 - the first step in finding the correct answer to any questions here is to ask someone that has no financial interest in the answer either way.

What's the next step?
 

Markit

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Find another 2 just like the first and the truth will be somewhere in the middle.

If you want to make something happen then take the objective "correct" answer back to one of those that have a financial interest and watch him try and get out of the corner he's backed himself into - this can actually work to your advantage as he will then try and help you even more just to prove he was not really trying to pork you.

Sounds complicated but in truth works pretty well.

Any more and you have to buy the book:icon_e_ugeek:
 

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My notaris friend tells me that an IMB is issued to the current owner of the land. Only the owner of the land at the time of the application for an IMB can make the application. Not some other third party, such as a prospective buyer.

Totally not true, anyone can apply for an IMB on land that has correct zoning etc. In my case, I lease, but I had my driver (who is not the owner) apply for an IMB. What you do need is a bunch of signatures (which ones is covered many times).
 
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Lea

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So confusing as there are many different answers...
Peter the property I am interested in already has a IMB but I will be demolishing
the villas within the property and completely rebuilding...
Will I need to apply for a new IMB as I am changing the size and shape of the old premises..??
 

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Hi Lea,

You are completely demolishing and rebuilding right? You mean right down to breaking up the old slab and redoing foundations / the lot?

You need a new IMB. The building on the plans originally submitted for the first IMB must match the building that stands (ie your newe building will not match the building on the original IMB plans therefore is null)

I had Anjarini from Sabita business advisory take care of all mine - including liasing with Notaris and making sure everything was squared away legally.She speaks perfect English and located in an easy to find part of town.

You'll get a thousand conflicting answers here - just wander down and see her and she'll tell you how it is (her detials ive seen in another thread here somewhere - just use the search function). Just tell her what you are intending to do and she'll tell you how to go about the right way, and will also give you a quote and a lay the process out on an easy to understand spreadsheet.

Once you have that spreadsheet of how each process evolves - it'll be a lot clearer and you can decide whether to try and do it all yourself, or have someone do it for you.
 

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Lea, yes.

Your architect (you have one right?), will also need to make a "simplified" set of drawings for the application.

You don't need a Notary to file for an IMB, just a local (driver, gardener, friend) that will coordinate with the IMB office. IMBs are some of the easiest "official" documents to get in Indonesia. That is, if you have all your paperwork right and zoning etc is OK.
 

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Can anyone explain about the signatures...

This property is down a gang which has around 6 villas, then their is also the neighbours on the other side...

Is it all signatures in the gang or only signatures that are actually boundary neighbours..??

Thanks...
 

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Lea, it's the boundary neighbors only.
To confirm whether they have any objections with the land borders and building process

Oops, just realized that Spicy already answer this one:icon_lol:
 

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Thanks Spicy and Ferdie...

Oh what bribe to hand to the neighbours...!!

Mature cheese
Vintage wine
Doubt my charm on its own will be enough...!!:applause:
 

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when my head finally stops spinning (waiting for the excorcist at the moment) I will send you a PM.
think that would be more constructive then to explain wich and why some answers are BS and thus avoiding a 'yes/no' discussion with some pos(t)ers.
 

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Please Gil weigh in on this with your info as I'm completely confused by the differences in what I think and what others say, and it is really very important to get this right.

I thought the differences might be with the different regencies?
 
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Can anyone explain about the signatures...

This property is down a gang which has around 6 villas, then their is also the neighbours on the other side...

Is it all signatures in the gang or only signatures that are actually boundary neighbours..??

Thanks...

Lea, to the best of my knowledge it is called an Izin Gangguan HO (meaning Hinderordonnantie). (maybe Gil can interpret the dutch meaning). It boils down to getting the signatures of all the neighbors actually having borders with your property where they do not object to the inconvenience you are making there with your building process. This will be important for you if you are going to use your property as commercial enterprise.

:topsy_turvy:
 

Markit

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Lea, to the best of my knowledge it is called an Izin Gangguan HO (meaning Hinderordonnantie). (maybe Gil can interpret the dutch meaning). It boils down to getting the signatures of all the neighbors actually having borders with your property where they do not object to the inconvenience you are making there with your building process. This will be important for you if you are going to use your property as commercial enterprise.

:topsy_turvy:

Where at all possible let the owner do this - he is motivated for the sale and knows his neighbors already.
 

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Also if you have a problem with a neighbour not wishing to sign for any reason, maybe wants money or something, you can go to the kepala Desa and request from the head of the village to sign and over ride any objections or refusal to sign.