traffic deaths in the past 5 months
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Sanurian said:Bugger!
I missed Roy's retorts.
I wonder what was in the:......stuff that we can't see?
Guess we'll never know...
Then again, there's always tomorrow.
What do you reckon, Roy?
Having a bad day in Paradise? Or what?
i share your curiosity on this sanurian - am kicking myself for not having checked in earlier! doh!
ct
Re: trafic deaths in the past 5 months
I think the comparison I saw elsewhere was that you are six times more likely to die on the roads in Bali as Australia.
The police in Bali only count those who die within a short period after the accident as a road death, and only those in or on a vehicle I believe whereas most other nations include all those who die as a result of an accident.
Interestingly, I was in a cab today in Mangga Dua and a cop pulled him over for not indicating and refused to take a bribe from the driver, issuing a ticket instead.
One good cop I guess. Or hopefully it's a new broom.....
Sanurian said:
I think the comparison I saw elsewhere was that you are six times more likely to die on the roads in Bali as Australia.
The police in Bali only count those who die within a short period after the accident as a road death, and only those in or on a vehicle I believe whereas most other nations include all those who die as a result of an accident.
Interestingly, I was in a cab today in Mangga Dua and a cop pulled him over for not indicating and refused to take a bribe from the driver, issuing a ticket instead.
One good cop I guess. Or hopefully it's a new broom.....
Based on what I've seen in Sumbawa over the past five years, better roads mean less accidents. Two of the three accidents that I've had have been because I applied the breaks on a gravel road and lost control of the bike in a skid to avoid some wildlife. The third was a wild boar charging out of the bush. The road surface wouldn't have made any difference.
But, I've seen fools in Sumbawa doing 90 on gravel roads so again, I'd argue that the road surface doesn't make much difference; if someone is intent on going fast ,they will.
But, I've seen fools in Sumbawa doing 90 on gravel roads so again, I'd argue that the road surface doesn't make much difference; if someone is intent on going fast ,they will.
Some of us are still waiting, Roy.
Your silence is deafening.
My theory, "Amigo", is that you made up that so-called email. It's your writing style and the grasp of basic physics is coterminous with what I imagine your maths skills are.
Come on...just come clean. Show us some "proof". It doesn't really hurt. This is cyber-space, remember?
Looking forward to your response.
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Your silence is deafening.
Probably can't drive in the first place.
My theory, "Amigo", is that you made up that so-called email. It's your writing style and the grasp of basic physics is coterminous with what I imagine your maths skills are.
Come on...just come clean. Show us some "proof". It doesn't really hurt. This is cyber-space, remember?
Looking forward to your response.
8)
BaliLife said:
I love Mangga Dua (just as I love much of what Jakarta is..it's one of the world's great cities, albeit often more in potential than fact). The markets there are the best in South East Asia IMO.
I have been away while this thread grew, but have now skimmed through it. Everyone seems to assume that 222 deaths in 5 months is worse than death rates elsewhere. Bert gave some figures mainly comparing with Europe.
I have just had a go at comparisons:
:arrow: Bali, with 222 deaths in 5 months and assuming a population of 3.5 million has 15 deaths per 100,000 people per year
:arrow: US (using figures from http://www.safecarguide.com/exp/statistics/statistics.htm) had 40,676 deaths in 1994, and assuming a population of 300 million has 13 per 100,000 people per year
:arrow: Australia (using figures from the above source) had 1,768 deaths in 1997, and assuming a population or 20 million has 8 deaths per 100,000 per year
So Bali figures are not that alarming. But someone also noted that the Bali figures may not count all the deaths, so that may increase it by maybe 10% or even 20%.
I have just had a go at comparisons:
:arrow: Bali, with 222 deaths in 5 months and assuming a population of 3.5 million has 15 deaths per 100,000 people per year
:arrow: US (using figures from http://www.safecarguide.com/exp/statistics/statistics.htm) had 40,676 deaths in 1994, and assuming a population of 300 million has 13 per 100,000 people per year
:arrow: Australia (using figures from the above source) had 1,768 deaths in 1997, and assuming a population or 20 million has 8 deaths per 100,000 per year
So Bali figures are not that alarming. But someone also noted that the Bali figures may not count all the deaths, so that may increase it by maybe 10% or even 20%.
mmm, i can see that - the potential i mean.. but i wouldnt say it's one of the world's great cities - perhaps one of the world's most 'interesting cities'.. but hey, that's all a matter of opinion..
regarding mangga dua, i still hate the place :| all i remember is the thousands of people sweating and negotiating for crappy imitation bags.. not even good imitations, terrible imitations.. but the computing section with all the pirated software was interesting :wink:
ct
Didn't know what Mangga Dua was until the sister of my sister-in-law invited me to go there with her nieces when I was in Jkt Nov. 2006.
They warned that it was going to be hot. But surprisingly, although I was wearing a stretch long sleeves top and pants, it didn't affect me whatsoever.
Perhaps because whatever I touched, my hostess paid for them surreptitiously and also whatever I chose, the ladies around me wanted them also including a pair of sunglasses which until now I never wore.
It was a nice experience!
They warned that it was going to be hot. But surprisingly, although I was wearing a stretch long sleeves top and pants, it didn't affect me whatsoever.
Perhaps because whatever I touched, my hostess paid for them surreptitiously and also whatever I chose, the ladies around me wanted them also including a pair of sunglasses which until now I never wore.
It was a nice experience!
BaliLife said:
If you get there again, try moving away from the ground floor of the ITC (which is where the bags are)..go up in that building and it gets more interesting. The glasses on Lantai dua and tiga are great...real (not copy) sunglasses in the hundreds of thousands at a fraction of the price you'll find them elsewhere. Also try the other malls..the WTC has young designers and others have factory outlets for the factories out in the satellite cities making stuff for Europe. There is so much to find.
Jakarta..yeah I guess I love it. For a wonderful experience get a cab (and get him to wait) whilst you explore the old fort by the harbour and wander around the streets there and the harbour itself. Or visit the Jakarta museum in Kota on a Sunday when the locals are out. I was there there last Sunday again and it was alive. There is an incredible reformasi exhibition in there right now.
ronb said:
Yes, as said above they seem only to count those on vehicles, not pedestrians or those that die more than a few days after.
But I think the real damage is probably being done in the injuries not the deaths. I see accidents almost every day and most seem not to be fatal (although I see those too, and at a rate I've never encountered in the west). On our little street alone last month there were five bad injuries on bikes.
A friend who works in a medical unit here tells of horrendous bike injuries all the time which were mostly preventable. Of kids with mashed faces and surfers with skin torn from shoulders.
The driving here (and I mean Indonesia not just Bali) is absolutely atrocious..far worse than anywhere else I've been (I've just spent a week driving in Malaysia..what a pleasure) and it doesn't need to be. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves IMO.
Why are education, enforcement (which would pay for the first) and basic road maintenance so hard?
milan said:
I've been there before...yes it's still there and quite lovely...you expect to see Somerset Maughn or Noel Coward there. But very pricey.