traffic deaths in the past 5 months

mimpimanis

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You jumped at the chance to pontificate about Homeopathy

Balilife is the one that started the conversation.

There are plenty of other converstaions on here that dont relate to Bali.

I dont know much, if anything about homeopathy - isnt it natural remedies? and if so doesnt a lot of modern medicine originate from natural remedies?
 

milan

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It's not all bad, though. I remember one guy in the Bangli district who did this kind of thing on a regular basis. Miraculously, he never killed anyone, not even himself. I met him again a couple of years ago and he's totally reformed. Gentle as a lamb, contrite and excusing his previous hormone-powered adolescence. I think he's become an artist these days, possibly living comfortably in an estrogen bubble.

I love happy endings or positive outcomes :D
 

BaliLife

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I think she tends to advertise rather than just expressing an opinion.

I agree completely and that's why I kicked off the initial post on the matter, so yes I am guilty of instigating this one..

If you have a point to make, make it - but don't subtly advertise your cause and expect it to go unquestioned..

Ct
 

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Jumping back to the original post in this thread. I find the whole road toll issue in Bali (and in Indonesia as a whole) absolutely heartbreaking and part of that is that so much of the toll is so easily preventable.

I find it rich and quite dishonest of the police to issue forth statements about the toll when so much of the solution rests with them and they do nothing.

Sit at any intersection and watch the overloaded motorcycles roar past police who do nothing. Bikes with 5 people on them veering from lane to lane, sometimes with kids standing; cars roaring through long red traffic lights; cars and trucks passing on the inside; following less than a meter at high speed behind the car in front; overtaking in every insane way you can think off; kids sitting on the backs of trucks or standing in them; grossly overloaded trucks and vehicles that would be pulled off the roads every where else in Asia roaring along; motorbikes pulling into traffic without looking at speed.

The police ignore every sort of infraction you can think of, and then release statements about the death toll, which they could halve overnight .

All of this, coupled with the selling of driver's licenses and the lack of driver education from the police and the government means that a huge proportion of the driving population simply have no idea of how to drive.

The introduction of a basic road code, which apparently does exist but no-one has any idea what it actually is, and the enforcement of that, coupled with an ongoing effective education campaign using TV and media would do wonders. A list of of ten basic rules which, distributed to motorists with a date for enforced compliance would slash the road toll. Enforced stopping at Stop signs and red lights, driver testing, a right hand rule, and the like. And, in the most honest way, these could even provide a revenue stream for the Police Dept.

If the police actually cared about the road deaths of course.....

Couple that with the very basic road maintenance..fixing traffic light bulbs, clearing the curbing stones that sit on the road for weeks after a car hits the curb, painting correct road markings (how long do arrows that point the wrong direction have to be on the road north of Sanur). A friend tells me that budgets are allocated for these things but simply disappear.

I've driven across Asia and nobody else seems to find these basic things that tricky. Why Bali?
 

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Thanks SG jumping back to the topic. For me the forum is getting a little bit childish and selfish –see the other “unnecessary” and extended topic about Pempantu’s and the rest of the world’s hygiene.:oops:
Yes SG I agree with your statement 100%. I remember when I was in Malaysia the first times –it was around 1985- this country started also with motorizing. The traffic was -for me- crazy and heartbreaking. But after some years the Malaysian government AND police started to educate the people, the police watched the traffic and all participants without any exception and punished them. I don’t know if there was any other additional education program. But if you come to Malaysia nowadaysyou will find the traffic is going like normal i.e. like you are used to have in the rest of the world. That’s just a sample how it was handled in another country.
And it could be done in Bali as well. It should be possible here as well or even more easy because Bali is small and most of the traffic concentrated in the south (sorry folks living in the north :roll:).
But here in Bali the police are just busy to escort some “Very Important People” to and from airport, to and from Tanah Lot etc etc. So until now I don’t understand why the local “VW Safari Club” (?) needs a police escort when they carry tourist around the island :?:
But as SG said already: Just issuing statements and complaints mean nothing will change. Up to now there is nothing to find how government AND police want to improve the situation here in Bali.
We cannot blame it on the traffic participants here because they absolute do not know how to drive, they never learned it. If there is no traffic education Bali wide nothing will change.

Werner
 

Roy

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And it could be done in Bali as well. It should be possible here as well or even more easy because Bali is small and most of the traffic concentrated in the south (sorry folks living in the north :roll:).

Nothing to be sorry about...you can keep the traffic! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

SG

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Roy said:
And it could be done in Bali as well. It should be possible here as well or even more easy because Bali is small and most of the traffic concentrated in the south (sorry folks living in the north :roll:).

Nothing to be sorry about...you can keep the traffic! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm actually writing from Penang right now and I've spent the past week travelling the wonderful roads of Malaysia, both inside and outside the cities and towns, major and minor roads, and nowhere have I encountered the insanity, and plain stupidity I encounter every day driving throughout Bali, both north and south.

It's also worth noting that the congestion is getting rather bad (and the driving is just as awful) in the Gianyar / Ubud regions too.
 

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We cannot blame it on the traffic participants here because they absolute do not know how to drive, they never learned it. If there is no traffic education Bali wide nothing will change.

Agreed, and the blame for that rests fairly and squarely on the shoulders of those who are bemoaning the traffic deaths.

But that said, I simply can't, no matter how long I'm in Bali, get my head around the fact that the most sensible, intelligent and gracious Balinese seems to toss common sense out the window as soon as they are behind a wheel or on a bike.

I have a (Balinese) friend who's lived in the US for years and he partially puts it down to a generational thing.... most Balinese simply have no parent who drives well to learn from or grow up watching. When you couple that with no enforcement or education and shitty roads, people die in large numbers.

It is such an avoidable tragedy.
 

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Made can not drive a car - and before I am allowing him behind the wheel of our new one he has to take a course. Though I am not sure how good even the d riving schools are (in Lombok, not Bali) But I am hoping that he will learn some basic safety issues like breaking distances, not overtaking on solid white lines etc.

One gripe I have too at the moment is that most people seem to use full beams at night even on busy roads. Jalan Ulawatu at 7pm is full and about one in 10 cars coming in the opposite direction at me, has their headlights dipped, making it a real strain to try and see the road infront.

And a habit I have to get out of is the english one of flashing your lights at someone to tell them to go ahead.... here is means the opposite!
 

milan

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I guess you have to use common sense, mimpimanis. Actually, you put a smile on my face as it reminds me of my husband's experience driving in England how he couldn't cope with the roundabout as here in Italy, even though they do have it, it is a smaller version where they can just take their time. In England, the traffic goes so fast that with his Italian temper, all the expletives were out of his mouth as he missed the direction he wanted to take. It's so comical... I wish I had taken a film of it.
 

milan

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And a habit I have to get out of is the english one of flashing your lights at someone to tell them to go ahead.... here is means the opposite!

I referred to this comment above that's what makes me smile. It's funny.
 

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My sister-in-law died in a motorbike accident a few years ago. She was on the back of an ojek, sitting side-saddle, coming back from the market one morning with basket of food balanced on her head - as is the way in many parts of Indonesia. Another motorbike cut them off causing the ojek to swerve, she lost her balance and fell off and cracked her head on the pavement and died on the side of the road. No emergency ambulance service for her - it was Mataram.

Police may enforce the wearing of a plastic bucket on your head during the day, but not women coming back from the market. And for some reason, not for anybody at night. No-one wears a helmet at night in Lombok - I suspect many parts of Bali are the same. Surely it is more dangerous at night?

And then what about the family of 5 on the motorbike - off to temple. No-one wears a helmet otherwise it would mess up the hair-do. And if they are wearing a helmet, the kids NEVER are. How come kids don't have to wear helmets?

I find some of the most reckless motorbike riders are the teenage boys - maybe 14 or 15 years old - who have motorbikes to go to school. The risks they take, and the speed they go, is typical of any teenage boy - and there is no way they had a proper lesson in their lives. Do they have licenses? Don't know..

There seem to be many 'cultural' reasons behind many of the unsafe motorbike practices, not only in Bali but other parts of Indonesia as well. Education and enforcement is needed to improve the situation.
 

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Hi, FreoGirl
Sorry and sad to hear about your sister-in-law.

This sort of thing happens often in Bali. I only learned today of an expat acquaintance of mine in Sanur who got knocked off his motorbike the other night and is now in Sanglah Hospital with various neck injuries. Hope he survives.
...Police may enforce the wearing of a plastic bucket on your head during the day, but not women coming back from the market. And for some reason, not for anybody at night...
I doubt that it has anything to do with "logic", or even "common sense".
...And then what about the family of 5 on the motorbike - off to temple. No-one wears a helmet otherwise it would mess up the hair-do. And if they are wearing a helmet, the kids NEVER are. How come kids don't have to wear helmets?...
Traffic "laws" in Bali make an exception for people going to ceremonies, wearing traditional dress. I have no idea why children don't have to wear "helmets", or even have seat belts when they're in a car. Just plain ignorance, stupidity, or both.

:(
 

mimpimanis

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In my experience in Lombok, people dont wear a helmet for safety reasons but to avoid being fined by the police. If they aren't going to pass through one of the bigger towns, with police, no need for a helmet. I guess as there are no police on traffic duty at night this is why no helmets either.
 

Kadek

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Traffic in Bali is indeed crazy and dangerous. Maybe it is a cultural thing, maybe people are only thinking of the convinient of the moment, instead of long term planning, maybe it is economical reason, or maybe it is just ignorant and stupidity, lack of knowledge of personal safety and safety of others on the roads and lack of enforcement of road rules (which I think nobody knows about). Maybe all of these factors play a role in the chaos? All of these are coupled with narrow, unlit, and poorly signed roads. So what to do? Education. But who will do this :?:

As for teenager drivers. I think this is not typical Balinese. It is everywhere. I know two boys in OZ who stollen their parents' car, drove it in the middle of the night and then crashed rolled it on the highway. They were ok and as for the car - it was new but it was towed to the wrecker! and many also drink drive and got killed in car accidents.

As for drivers in the West, they are also not always following the rules or comply with rules because it is safer, but from my observation only do so because fear of fine and the police.
so many are still driving whilst speaking on their mobile phones, so many are still taigating, so many are still driving too slow on the highways, speedings etc...
 

Sanurian

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Halo, Kadek
...Traffic in Bali is indeed crazy and dangerous. Maybe it is a cultural thing...
So what to do? Education. But who will do this...
Who, indeed? How about the Indonesian government, for starters? And the local Balinese government officials, for seconds?

I don't think it's a "cultural" thing. Your comparisons with western countries are unwarranted. Sure, there are idiot drivers/riders everywhere, but given the relatively small size of Bali and the sheer numbers of "lethal weapons" on its roads, I think you will find that on a per-capita basis, Bali is way over the top, in its "accident" figures. Whatever statistics one looks at.

Effective or realistic attempts to decrease the growing incidences of road accidents here are hard to find.

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