And how many healthy dogs have been culled???
Will be there be an announcement to say the culling should stop???
Will be there be an announcement to say the culling should stop???
Article About Bali Dogs
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Let's hope not many.
So then, Bali remains rabies free. That should be front page news in The Bali Post tomorrow. As Mimpi says, let's hope that news gets out pronto!
Thinking a minute beyond the present Bali "emergency" regarding the possible presence of rabies among the Bali dog population, just consider the gut reaction of the supreme leader, the Governor of Bali, who is alleged to have said,
Is this the reaction one would hope for from a Governor, shooting from the hip? Granted the Governor, an expert criminologist, is not required to also be a biological expert, but he has advisors who could direct him to experts in that field. So, what about consulting with them before issuing such a ridiculous and dangerous directive?
So, just think what would happen if suddenly the bird flue virus was able to be transmitted between humans. How would the so-called leaders react? Scary, to say the least. The truth of the matter is that it's actually the blind leading the blinds. :evil: :evil:
Is this the reaction one would hope for from a Governor, shooting from the hip? Granted the Governor, an expert criminologist, is not required to also be a biological expert, but he has advisors who could direct him to experts in that field. So, what about consulting with them before issuing such a ridiculous and dangerous directive?
So, just think what would happen if suddenly the bird flue virus was able to be transmitted between humans. How would the so-called leaders react? Scary, to say the least. The truth of the matter is that it's actually the blind leading the blinds. :evil: :evil:
Daniel, that specific quote was taken from the Jawa Post article but it was not picked up by The Bali Post. The accuracy of the quote is questionable, and also in question is whether or not Governor Pastika ever ordered the culling of all stray street dogs in all of Bali.
Our Bali Post for today should be delivered within the hour, and hopefully there will be something more on these recent “events.” Cheers!
Our Bali Post for today should be delivered within the hour, and hopefully there will be something more on these recent “events.” Cheers!
And confirmation that Pastika needs his head read, and perhaps should think before he speaks.
In other words: we don't know for sure but lets raise the panic level. George Bush should've hired the man.
In other words: we don't know for sure but lets raise the panic level. George Bush should've hired the man.
It’s amazing how much disparate information is going around about this! In other words, is their rabies on Bali, or isn’t there…has this culling been ordered on a wide scale, a limited scale, or at all, and to what extent?
In the meantime, one wonders just how many dogs out there are needlessly being put down?
Eri took our Bali Post to with her when driving the boys to school, so I don’t know what, if anything has been reported there.
Simon, I guess we can continue to count on you to post whatever you are hearing...reading, or seeing for yourself...BUT, Bert, what's going on North...or anyone else...what's going on in your neck of the woods?
In the meantime, one wonders just how many dogs out there are needlessly being put down?
Eri took our Bali Post to with her when driving the boys to school, so I don’t know what, if anything has been reported there.
Simon, I guess we can continue to count on you to post whatever you are hearing...reading, or seeing for yourself...BUT, Bert, what's going on North...or anyone else...what's going on in your neck of the woods?
Roy,
I agree with your wait-and-see attitude, and this is precicely why I wrote
allowing for the fact that the Governor may have never suggested such a thing, although I proceeded with my point as if he had done so. (Wouldn't you call this "lawgistics?").
I agree with your wait-and-see attitude, and this is precicely why I wrote
allowing for the fact that the Governor may have never suggested such a thing, although I proceeded with my point as if he had done so. (Wouldn't you call this "lawgistics?").
Roy said:
Haven't heard or seen anything in the North.
Was in Jimbaran however, and heard how they killed a few dogs there on the beach, by a knock on the head, and injection to complete the job.
Bert, that is good news...the "up North" news that is.
Daniel, In a way, regardless of whether or not he actually said this, and assuming that his office is aware of the confusion, one would think (rightfully so) that his office would jump on getting this lack of clarity made clear and pronto! Personally, I am finding that most frustrating of all.
Good grief! Does Bali have rabies now or not?? Putting the dogs aside for a quick second, the need for this to be definitively answered is obvious!
BTW, I meant to compliment you earlier on your excellent job explaining canine rabies in such an understandable and clear method. That was really well done, and sorely needed too! Cheers!
Daniel, In a way, regardless of whether or not he actually said this, and assuming that his office is aware of the confusion, one would think (rightfully so) that his office would jump on getting this lack of clarity made clear and pronto! Personally, I am finding that most frustrating of all.
Good grief! Does Bali have rabies now or not?? Putting the dogs aside for a quick second, the need for this to be definitively answered is obvious!
BTW, I meant to compliment you earlier on your excellent job explaining canine rabies in such an understandable and clear method. That was really well done, and sorely needed too! Cheers!
So to sum it up, we have one group, fairly reliable, I'd say, saying that the tests are negative. Another saying:
When the first group, who are the ones doing the testing, are saying:
And elsewhere, Dr Dharma, who just happens to own a vet clinic which, at a price, will inoculate dogs, confirming it.
And the governor, who should know much better, without confirmation, inciting the public to kill stray dogs.
This is truly nuts and would be laughable if dogs were not dying, likely ('with a knock on the head') painfully without, right now, good reason.
Considering how important this is, there is a level of disfunctionality, in this, at government level, right to the top, which astounds me.
When the first group, who are the ones doing the testing, are saying:
And elsewhere, Dr Dharma, who just happens to own a vet clinic which, at a price, will inoculate dogs, confirming it.
And the governor, who should know much better, without confirmation, inciting the public to kill stray dogs.
This is truly nuts and would be laughable if dogs were not dying, likely ('with a knock on the head') painfully without, right now, good reason.
Considering how important this is, there is a level of disfunctionality, in this, at government level, right to the top, which astounds me.
I agree 100% Simon…this is embarrassing (or should be) to the Provincial government…if only to establish the truth, once and for all, to the main question, that being, is Bali still rabies free, or not?
I know one very major tour operator who has cancelled all tours to Pura Ulu Watu. While that alone presents no economic calamity, the longer this issue remains unclear, the more doubt will be raised when the final answer is given. :cry:
I know one very major tour operator who has cancelled all tours to Pura Ulu Watu. While that alone presents no economic calamity, the longer this issue remains unclear, the more doubt will be raised when the final answer is given. :cry:
I hadnt had a read of here yet this morning, so was still under the impression the rabies scare was a false alarm, after yesterday's reading. An hour ago I had a visit from a police freind from Nusa Dua and three new recruits, they also patrol the bukit from there. When I said I had read that it was a false alarm, they hadn't heard anything of the kind. As far as they have been told there is rabies up here. And they confirmed the culling in Dreamland & Puri Gading, where apparently dogs have been shot and given lethal injection.
And more confusion. :roll:
Todays Jakarta Post
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/12/02/groups-coordinate-rabies-controls.html
Todays Jakarta Post
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/12/02/groups-coordinate-rabies-controls.html
More here today:
There is a whole bunch more but the last line is more disinformation. Both our dogs are innoculated and have been for years. We checked with the vet, Dr Anom on the Bypass, who is very good and she confirmed it.
There is a whole bunch more but the last line is more disinformation. Both our dogs are innoculated and have been for years. We checked with the vet, Dr Anom on the Bypass, who is very good and she confirmed it.
This could be serious. So, why cann't Governor Pastika, who distinguished himself so brilliantly by capturing in a record time the Bali bombers, name a commission of experts to advise him, so he comes out with a timely plan to handle the "rabies" epidemic? If nothing else, it would clear up all the misinformation and contradictory pronouncements.
By the way, a question for old Bali hands. I first came to Bali in 1984, but I seem to remember reading on this forum that I was somewhat a late comer when compared to several forumites who were in Bali way before 1984 (I believe Sanurian is one of them). Anyway, what I clearly remember is that the dog population in those days was MUCH larger than it is now, maybe by one order of magnitude. Am I dreaming or do you agree?
In those days, after dark, for example on Jl Raya Ubud was taken over by packs of dogs numbering in the 40s, 50s or even more. They growled, barked, but never bit anyone that I know. It was rather scary running the gauntlet of these menacing dogs, and I thought that sooner or later, one of these guys is going to break the mold, bite someone and it will take a liking to it, and it will be down hill from then on...
By the way, a question for old Bali hands. I first came to Bali in 1984, but I seem to remember reading on this forum that I was somewhat a late comer when compared to several forumites who were in Bali way before 1984 (I believe Sanurian is one of them). Anyway, what I clearly remember is that the dog population in those days was MUCH larger than it is now, maybe by one order of magnitude. Am I dreaming or do you agree?
In those days, after dark, for example on Jl Raya Ubud was taken over by packs of dogs numbering in the 40s, 50s or even more. They growled, barked, but never bit anyone that I know. It was rather scary running the gauntlet of these menacing dogs, and I thought that sooner or later, one of these guys is going to break the mold, bite someone and it will take a liking to it, and it will be down hill from then on...
Hello . . . it is rabies.
Dogs have been tested, found positive, as have human victims. Four humans victims have died after dog bites. Numerous others have been bitten without provocation by dogs with erratic behaviour and are being treated as rabies exposures.
11 dogs have been found positive for rabies the Ungasan area and neighbouring areas.
Hello . . . what is it that you don't understand about that.
Rabies is a serious thing, not a sentimental issue. In a society like Bukit Jimbaran, serious aggressive steps are imperative.
Be real. Even Linda Buller says it's serious, and she is the softest of soft hearted Bali dog lovers. It must be aggressively addressed, and it is real. There is a serious rabies outbreak on Bukit Jimbaran. Do you want it to spread, to kill people and dogs and devastate the reputation of Bali as a relatively safe place to have a holiday?
With rapid and aggressive action this outbreak can be eradicated completely before it spreads to squirrels, bats, cats, and dogs outside of the Bukit Jimbaran area. This will prevent untold tragedy to people, dogs, cats, and wildlife.
Get real.
Dogs have been tested, found positive, as have human victims. Four humans victims have died after dog bites. Numerous others have been bitten without provocation by dogs with erratic behaviour and are being treated as rabies exposures.
11 dogs have been found positive for rabies the Ungasan area and neighbouring areas.
Hello . . . what is it that you don't understand about that.
Rabies is a serious thing, not a sentimental issue. In a society like Bukit Jimbaran, serious aggressive steps are imperative.
Be real. Even Linda Buller says it's serious, and she is the softest of soft hearted Bali dog lovers. It must be aggressively addressed, and it is real. There is a serious rabies outbreak on Bukit Jimbaran. Do you want it to spread, to kill people and dogs and devastate the reputation of Bali as a relatively safe place to have a holiday?
With rapid and aggressive action this outbreak can be eradicated completely before it spreads to squirrels, bats, cats, and dogs outside of the Bukit Jimbaran area. This will prevent untold tragedy to people, dogs, cats, and wildlife.
Get real.
macantidur ( nice name)
I live on the Bukit, in Dreamland and I have a young son and a dog, so I take it very seriously. However so far there seems to be conflicting information and statements as to whether it is rabies or not. (have you read all the links posted here?)
I agree if it is rabies culling is neccessary to stop its spread. But one day we read it is and the next it isnt.
You say that it is rabies - do you have any additional information you can share?
I live on the Bukit, in Dreamland and I have a young son and a dog, so I take it very seriously. However so far there seems to be conflicting information and statements as to whether it is rabies or not. (have you read all the links posted here?)
I agree if it is rabies culling is neccessary to stop its spread. But one day we read it is and the next it isnt.
You say that it is rabies - do you have any additional information you can share?
Welcome to the forum, (I think), but please, get a hold of yourself!
WHERE is it documented that four humans have died of rabies????
There is NO need to tell us to “get real” as in fact, most of us have had far more experience with rabies in our home countries.
The problem is that there is constantly conflicting reports in the media about what IS really going on, and quite frankly, your overly excited post is not very helpful.
Documented so far is that one dog that was tested positive for rabies. Maybe that is old information, but let’s not go nutty about this, or accusatory, when all we are asking for is solid and factual information!!!
If you have sources for what you say, then please cite them. That shouldn’t be too much to ask, should it?
WHERE is it documented that four humans have died of rabies????
There is NO need to tell us to “get real” as in fact, most of us have had far more experience with rabies in our home countries.
The problem is that there is constantly conflicting reports in the media about what IS really going on, and quite frankly, your overly excited post is not very helpful.
Documented so far is that one dog that was tested positive for rabies. Maybe that is old information, but let’s not go nutty about this, or accusatory, when all we are asking for is solid and factual information!!!
If you have sources for what you say, then please cite them. That shouldn’t be too much to ask, should it?