Dual citizenship.

Roy

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I "hear" you Gede, but in fact, it's more like “normal skepticism” than "cautious optimism" that will likely play out here.

The law that was passed is directly addressing non indigenous Chinese Indonesians. The law, as passed, falls way short of affording rights to the children of mixed marriages in Indonesia. Sorry to be the balloon popper, but the facts are the facts! :cry: :cry: :cry:
 
I honestly think the new law does allow dual nationality for children and you need to apply for that if you are living in Indonesia at your local Pengadilan not immigration. If living overseas then you will need to go to your local Indonesian Embassy.
 

matsaleh

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Below from Jakarta Post yesterday. Bear in mind, the article was filed under "Opinion and Editorial", so it may be the unnamed writer's interpretation only.
Marrying more foreigners
Opinion and Editorial - July 14, 2006

Any Indonesian woman with a non-national boyfriend should now have no legal reason not to continue their relationship into marriage. With the passage of the citizenship bill into law on Tuesday, discrimination against the wives of foreign nationals should end, and women here will have the same rights as those of Indonesian men with foreign wives.

Under the new law, Indonesian women of foreign husbands can pass on their citizenship to their children, at least until these offspring reach 18 years old, the time when they have to decide what citizenship they will adopt. Previously, children were automatically given their father's nationality.

Not only that, the law also gives foreign spouses permanent residency status if they do not intend to apply for Indonesian citizenship after five consecutive years or 10 accumulated years of stay in Indonesia.

With these provisions, Indonesian wives will not need to bother getting visas for their children and their non-native spouses living in Indonesia, and have to renew them every time the visas end -- all requirements that were mandatory under the nationalistic and discriminative citizenship law of 1958.

These are the good qualities of the new law, which adopts the principle of equality before the law between men and women. The law is even more revolutionary in ending the discrimination against Chinese-Indonesians by eliminating the distinction between "indigenous" and "nonindigenous" Indonesians. It revises the definition of "indigenous" Indonesians to include all citizens who never have taken foreign citizenship.

Despite these superior qualities, we also share the concerns of some groups fighting for an end to discrimination in the country. The law, for example, does not address the problem of stateless Chinese descents who became stateless because of a wave of anti-Chinese policies in the past. Despite this drawback, the law, nevertheless, recognizes the children of these stateless Chinese who were born on Indonesian soil as Indonesian citizens.

Another concern regards Article 23 of the law, which states that Indonesians living for five consecutive years in another country can lose their citizenship if they fail to declare their intentions to remain Indonesian. We are of the opinion that it is not right to withdraw someone's citizenship for administrative reasons.

These are just small concerns, though. Overall, we consider this law is a revolutionary one.

We hope that with the passage of this law, more Indonesians, male and female, will marry foreigners. Intermarriage will only be good for the country, promoting pluralism and tolerance among people. Not only that, this intermarriage will eventually bring about economic prosperity.

When people of different countries know each other better -- and intermarriage is the best way to know people of another country -- trade among them usually increases, and when trade is increasing, people start investing in the other countries they are trading with. Trade and investment are keys to a nation's prosperity.

With the passage of this law, the discriminative policies against Chinese-Indonesians should end. Discriminatory instruments used against in the past, which include the SBKRI, or citizenship document, should no longer be required by government institutions.

More importantly, we hope Chinese-Indonesians will be more confident and therefore take part more actively in sectors outside private enterprise, an area they have been confined to for so long. We hope to see more qualified Chinese-Indonesians competing for public office, or even competing for the top post in the country, the presidency.

Lastly, it is important to congratulate the House of Representatives for passing this bill into law, and most of all, for initiating the drafting of this ground-breaking legislation in the first place. We hope that the House will continue to take charge of revising or replacing all outdated laws that are nationalistic and discriminative in nature.

The next logical step to follow the passage of this bill would be an amendment or a revision of the existing marriage law, which also discriminates against women. Also due for a rewrite is the nationalistic immigration law, which has scared away foreigners from living, staying or in some cases, even visiting Indonesia. We are now waiting for the legislators' next contribution to make Indonesia a better place to live -- for men and women, and locals and foreigners alike.
The Jakarta Post
 

CAP

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Hi there,I read matsaleh post and am interested in the part that says that forein men married to Indonesian women that have been in Indonesia for 5 consecutive years can apply for permanant residency....I am trying to find out the changes made in the new laws for forien men and I thought that the only change was that we can give up our home country citizenship and apply for Indonesian citizenship......But if I understand Matsaeh's post she says different,
Can anybody out there clarify whats acctually the going on for husbands now????
Thanks
Cap
 

matsaleh

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Hi Cap,
I prefaced the quoted article with, "Bear in mind, the article was filed under "Opinion and Editorial", so it may be the unnamed writer's interpretation only." I haven't seen a copy of the changes, so can't be certain that this is correct.

Maybe one of the expats can obtain a copy of the statute, with an English translation.
 

CAP

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Hi matsaleh,yes sorry you did say tht you where quoting.
I will be interested as Im sure other will be what the acctuall posibilitirs of the new laws will be.
Lets hope for some more info to come out with some concrete details.
Regards CAP
 

Tracey

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I will wait to see what happens here....

But recently a close friend gave birth to her baby boy in OZ, her hubby is Balinese, they have applied for an Indonesian passport, it will come with Permanent residency status visa stamped in it for Oz, but will entitle the young man to be in Bali with no need for visa's!
Something to think about when the next one is on it's way for us!!!!