Markit
[ATTACH]1690.vB[/ATTACH]In Kuta, Legian or Seminyak this is what you can expect for your money.
andrea85
before i spoke about benesari and nearest areas..i've never meant the centre of kuta or legian..or seminyak..i need a good location doesn t mean in the centre of the main areas..sure there the price is high..if u think that anyone needs 100 to 300.000 euro to open a bar in asia, it's an unuseful conversation..with this money i can open a business in a certral touristic area in italy..i choose asia couse is where i want to spend time..if i care money i would make my job in italy..
Smoke
It not cheap here to open a biz. Most want rent paid in years, pms pt cost lots of money and are no gtd u get a work permit or kitas.It is cheaper to open a bar in times square NYC then in bali
gilbert de jong
"an unuseful conversation" ??? most of us here are just trying to make you see reality. What's your business backgound if you don't mind me asking? asking 'cause that could explain a lot about how/why you think it's "easy" to open up shop on Bali...think in Italy you would come up short too with 300K euri [url=http://www.casa.it/immobile-bar-ve-venezia-25372293]Bar in Affitti a Venezia #25372293 - casa.it[/url]
Mark
"an unuseful conversation" ??? most of us here are just trying to make you see reality. What's your business backgound if you don't mind me asking? asking 'cause that could explain a lot about how/why you think it's "easy" to open up shop on Bali...think in Italy you would come up short too with 300K euri [url=http://www.casa.it/immobile-bar-ve-venezia-25372293]Bar in Affitti a Venezia #25372293 - casa.it[/url][/QUOTE]Saw the link Gil and unless my Italian has totally failed me the rental price for this 30 sqm bar, albeit in perhaps the best location in Venice, is Euro 700K per month! That can't be right, but if it is, imagine how many overpriced drinks you'd have to sell to dumb tourists to cover your costs...
andrea85
Sorry do u know venice? The city n 1 in the world with million of tourist every day!! Then we will speak about renting on mars..etc...what do i have to write now? or post a link with a rental price in a small city i indonesia that no one knows?!I'm asking informations and i m thankfull with anyone..i understood that most of location asking 10 years in advance etc etc..i m not saiing that opening a business in bali is easy..i travelled around asia in many touristic cities..and i have many friends working and living there..everywhere in asia in turistic cities about busines is similar..i kow already the price of company and work permit..and i have many indonesian friends opened a bar..and some not so small..i don t think they paid 10 years..
Markit
Friend. Aside from all the irony, humor and laughter your original post has caused it must slowly be clear to you that by a vast majority all the contributors to this forum think it's a really, really bad idea to try and open another bar in the south.Free "Feeling" Advice:Come here and spend 2 weeks hanging around all the places you think might be interesting and talk with the owners and regulars - they are usually happy to explain what and how they've done what they've done and seem to be generally quite truthful (as long as they don't see more competition in your questions). Or alternatively take about $10k of that money and throw a really good Expat Bash for all the illustrious member of the forum and I promise that at some stage we will all agree that it's a wonderful idea to open another bar in Seminyak and, yes, should be easy with the remaining $50k you have. Free "Unfeeling" Advice:If after that you still think it's a great idea and to open another fecking bar in the south then go for some serious therapy to your Italian city of choice because you are seriously obsessed with something and have managed to ignore [U]all[/U] the evidence to the contrary. Have a nice day and when can I expect my invite?
andrea85
I've been in bali 4 times, last one for 6 months..i have been in many bar, and for a minut stop to speak about the location and price of renting..but about bars pubs coffees in south Bali..can we consider the most of this locations well managed? WHat do they offer? Have the owner ever managed a pub before? I don't think so..I agree with you all..opening a place like that like the others is for sure not a good idea.Bali is full of this, also in first class locations as legian street..and as anyone see, they don't work well..there's no offer, not a particular impostation..just some waitress and bartender..or they call it so..is it a good service? If someone try it wolud he back? hmmm...Opening a real pub needs experience, a valutation of the area u choose, what tourist want and what kind of tourist is your target..We are in a different country, place with local, different seasons, etc..we have to consider it all..beein professional i think is the key..creating a meetingpoint for local and tourist, with different service in relation with the time..Now i'm not here to explain how to work..but what work means.
Lea
The 'mouth of the south ' is now sitting on her hands...!!
Markit
Something else you might want to consider: If through your vast experience and magnetically attractive charisma you are able to have the best bar in Bali the day after your competitors (Indonesian) notice this, they may have you shut down the day after that. Capitalism isn't written with Capitals here.
no.idea
Taking on a bar is a great idea. I have one of the busiest bars in Sanur. You can lease that from me for $50,000 per year. I can guarantee you that it will make no profit.
no.idea
pricing : for example in Sanur "Fullmoon Cafe" @ 165jt per year, no licenses and no further assistance in getting them. it's furnished (sort of) size 485m2 with 11000W power available..[/QUOTE]Goodness me, the OP is deadly serious and now Gil (obviously our resident con man) is trying to sell off a bar that went bankrupt and closed down months back. Plus 485 m2.....lets try 48.5 m2.*Private message* Gil for half the profit I will happily delete this post. Try and sign the deal up quick I am heading to Lombok in 6 hours time. Yours in corruption Ron. *close private message*
lumumba
Bar in Affitti a Venezia #25372293 - casa.it Could be 700 euro per month, very low, or 700.000 to take over the business
andrea85
Hi no idea..50.000 no profit..ya i think so..i don' know good sanur area...i have been there only 2 3 times i thinlk..So do u have a bar? i think u know the average rental price around bali for a bar and if possible to pay renting per year..can u give some information?thank u anyway
SHoggard
Hi no idea..50.000 no profit..ya i think so..i don' know good sanur area...i have been there only 2 3 times i thinlk..So do u have a bar? i think u know the average rental price around bali for a bar and if possible to pay renting per year..can u give some information?thank u anyway[/QUOTE][U]Point 1:[/U] Why would he tell you? You'd be his competition[U]Point 2:[/U] You keep talking about the very important '[I]agency[/I]' that is advising you. Now, I realise that you're Italian and English is not your 1st language but please clarify, are you talking about:[B]Agency[/B] - usually means government department or office, who give advice to foreigners: eg Commerce Dept on setting up business residency & work permits etcor...[B]Agent[/B] - a company whose business is to charge foreigners a fee to set-up... remember if you don't sign the papers they don't get paid, so it is in their interest to tell you what you want to hear, even if it isn't 100% true, so that you will pay the fees.... and then when the work permit isn't approved, blame the inefficiencies of government and advise you that a little envelope containing some money would be appreciated by whoever is holding back the approval.[U]Point 3[/U] Have you researched the company regulations yourself (not trusted what your agent/agency has told you) If you do you will find that Indonesia has a List of the types of businesses that a. foreigners are allowed to invest in 100%. b. Some can only be Joint Ventures with an Indonesian citizen holding 51% ... and c. some are completely forbidden. I don't know what category a Bar falls under because I never wanted to open one... but I suspect it isn't a (remember (1) Indonesia is a Muslim country (2) I do know that retail stores are in category c. [U]Point 4:[/U] Do you speak Bahasa Indonesia, because you will need to speak to your bar staff when you hire them and during day to day operations... you might think that working in a bar in Italy means that you are qualified to run a bar in Bali in the same professional way, but you won't be pouring drinks & serving tables will you?[U]Point 5 [/U]: This was raised by someone earlier in the thread (Mark) however he said it using irony and you replied like you didn't understand his point. So I'll repeat the point without the irony, maybe you will understand:Europe, Italy in particular, is seeing an influx of non-Europeans seeking a different life, many of them are unqualified, or are only qualified to do jobs that Europeans can also do.... these people almost never get EU work permits... many of them don't even get to Europoe and their boats sink - these people are called (Asylum Seekers/Illegal Immigrants etc) but they are all [U]Economic Migrants[/U]So this is Asia, and you are not Asian - you are seeking a different life in Indonesia, [U]you are an Economic Migrant[/U]So now, what do all countries look for when considering approval of Work Permit - 1st: qualifications, and always the paper kind (certificates, degrees etc etc) do you have bar-keeping certificates (or hospitality management) or is it just that you have worked in a bar? Have these been translated into Bahasa Indonesia, and certified 'true' by a notaris?2nd: Is the job you plan to do able to be done by a citizen of that country? NOT whether you think you could do it better, or whether the locals are doing it badly... but can they do it at all?3rd: Investment (see Point 3) - you have already said you don't have EU300,000 so I think you don't qualify on that point.I also notice that when someone here makes a point you like you say they are "correct... but..." and then attempt to negotiate the point back down to whatever you want it to be (Matsaleh's suggestion of 5 years, you believe you can get it down to 1 year).But when others offer advice you don't want to hear - you argue with them from your superior knowledge of having been to Bali 4 times.My dear, some of the people you are arguing with have lived in Bali many many years and have constructed entire hotels, operated them and sold them for a profit. Some own bars (some more than 1 bar)... those are the ones you think are really unprofessional... why, because your waiter didn't appear with a menu the minute you entered? Because your drink didn't appear seconds after you ordered it? The drinks shelf wasn't as gleaming and organised as it Italy?No, you only want to hear what your 'agent' tells you ... so pay him the money, and prove us all wrong when you have the most profitable professionally run bar in Bali
andrea85
i mean agent sorry..alone and with an help by friends i checked the kind of companies i can open in bali..And friend in Bali, balinese and foreigners suggested me this agent..exacly i already deal before with this agent..they are very fast and let me pay just a little deposit..Anyway..i m going to work inside my bar, in kitchen and my friend as bartender. My wife lives in Italy and she's balinese. She can help me to manage well the staff..and also i can speak little bahasa.I haven't checked yet if foreigners can work as chef and bartender, i will doi it..but i saw some of them do it..regular or not i don t know..About certificate..my friend has international certification of bartender..I ve always been working with club ect.. but i don t have a certification..i have to find a way to do it..I would never speak bad about people here..i mean when i spoke about bar in bali..but we have to be honest..most of that are very bad managed..no services..Exacly the problem money..couse i dont want to pay in advance 10 years..that is my main problem..something may always happen..who knows..Of course i dont pretend to pay cheap year after year..but i hope is possible to do that..
Smoke
andrea05 take a month and 10k of euro to spend going to bars,sportbars, niteclubs, hotel drinking places. Get ideas on what and what does not work for your facts .Dont forget to sleep all afternoon and early evening wake up at 8 pm have some food and hit the party scene places that open at maybe 11pm and go till the sun rises. get more ideas on what works.Is it the live bands, the DJ's , just your great service, the fire twirling dancers , the fire breatheing juggler or is it just the aroma therapy candles lit on every table ?When you think you know get a few investors and bring 500k euro and start cause 7,000 to 8,000 euro it only the start to bleed you for more to get a work permit for 2 non indos to work in a bar . good luck on your blind venture .please post the name and opening date . I would enjoy attending the opening nite
andrea85
hi smoke,,did it already for 6 months..i know good also the owner of pyramid disco..i brang me in many places around bali..7 8000 are only for company..i don t mean i want to open something with this money..and also i don t mean something bid like dj's..a sprt of english pub as style, but italian and indo food and very good drinks..and many services i have in my mind..good price in relation with the big services i wanna offer.I like benesari area..hope to find a location 100 up sqm around there..the price there i hope isn'e still so high..but i m ready to consider also other areas..my friend pays there 10.000 dollar per year..i m sure of that..maybe he was just lucky..and the place is 2 floor and big..
andrea85
also i don t pretend to spend only 10.000 dollar per month..
ferdie
So its an Italian restaurant and bar thing?:icon_e_ugeek:Lets hope your 6 months of observations include the tourists low seasons (I'm assuming that tourist is going to be your preferred market)If you have time, go and eat out La Lucciola for a sample, I enjoy the food and the view, maybe they could give you an example of the existing Italian restaurants in Bali, if you can beat them, I think you'll be alright:eagerness:
