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Hi Andrea85please give me the address of the bar and the operating hours, I'll be in summer 2014 for abt 29 days in Bali. Would love to see your dream come true.CheersTeabagBtw: some of the replys you got here are worth to consider about, they know what they are talking about.....

Good luck to you Andrea - I hope you can follow your dream.Many people in this thread show you the problems (and it's true - there will be many problems) but after living in Bali and running a successful business here for many years I've always found that every problem has a solution.It's also true (as many people have mentioned) that there are already 1000's of bars here in Bali. This means you won't be the first person to open a bar in Bali - but as long as you can be better than your competitors (often that's not difficult here) you can succeed.Finally, to answer your question about location - why not try Sanur? I don't know of [I]any[/I] good bars here at all. I noticed the Japanese restaurant in Jalan Tamblingan - I've forgotten the name but it's the place where Lotus restaurant used to be - are offering their business for sale, and it already has an alcohol license. Good luck, and give me a free cocktail when your bar opens.

Andrea, I very much hope that you will go ahead with your bar. You will bring in $$, which you will spend real fast, while you only get an experience in return. A win for Bali.I think the BuGils bar lease is still available. Now this bar was started by one of the most successful bar operators in Jakarta. Very much your "pup" style. He could not make it work in Bali. He must have invested around USD 700K.The best advice I can give you, is to get a job at one of the bars/restaurants in Bali for a year. The jobs are available, but pay very little. Learn how things work here, make contacts, get a feel who the players are in the licensing system, etc.And learn English and Indonesian...

Finally, to answer your question about location - why not try Sanur? I don't know of [I]any[/I] good bars here at all. [/QUOTE]Have you tried Fire Station?

Have you tried Fire Station?[/QUOTE]Yes - I suddenly remembered it after I posted that comment. It's excellent, and demonstrates to all of us taking part in this thread that new bars [I]can[/I] be opened and be a success (though I obviously don't have access to their accounts to know how profitable it is). Of course it's still new and who knows the future, but it was full when I went there and everybody I know who has been there has recommended it. It's pretty small, not on the main tourist strip, so guess didn't cost a huge amount to set up. It demonstrates what I mentioned earlier - you don't have to be first, you just have to be better than your competitors. It's within 100 meters of two other bars and already seems to be doing much better than them.Flapjacks too is only a few years old and always seems to be doing well.Andrea 85 - don't give up. Just because others failed doesn't mean that you can't succeed.

Have you tried Fire Station?[/QUOTE]I will agree, I go there on a regular basis and enjoy the place. Darcy and Fre (Fredrik) are friends of mine. Casablanca is also another good place.It depends on what your "idea" actually is of a good bar. Swill houses such as Jimmy's would never make my list of good bars however friends go there on a regular basis.I also think Arena is a good bar during the day. However when the smokers arrive I get out of the place. The Cavern Bar is also another place I like but again I leave when the smoke blowing crowd arrive.The bar at Inna Sindhu beach is a nice place to sit and look at the ocean and people. The 40 young Norwegian maidens cavorting around in skimpy attire also help make this place nice. I like the bar at Sanur Bay restaurant as well.I love going into Black Ink bar and watching Elsa chat up the newcomers. She has had sex with everyone I know except for my mother, however the guys all get gooey eyed over her.To me there are a number of good bars in Sanur but this is only my opinion.

It's pretty small, not on the main tourist strip, so guess didn't cost a huge amount to set up. [/QUOTE]It shows how we see different things. Let us assume the yearly lease at the Firestation is $12,000. So the owner pays 20 years in advance. There is $240,000. They then renovated what was formerly an old Indian restaurant. They install a very modern western kitchen, get an IMB and a liquor licence. They install a bar and stock it with quality drinks. They then put in new tables and chairs.I can see an outlay of $500,000.Bon Marche restaurant not far from there is up for lease for 8 years. Walk in walk out at $160,000.I also agree with the do do not give up attitude. One of the business ventures I have here had gone bankrupt twice in 5 years before I took it over. It is now running as a very good business.

Bon Marche restaurant not far from there is up for lease for 8 years. [/QUOTE]Au Bon Marche is up for lease? They never really took of hey? I never saw people in there. Looks nice though. There was a noodle restaurant opposite as well that is now for sale again.

Au Bon Marche is up for lease? They never really took of hey? I never saw people in there. Looks nice though. There was a noodle restaurant opposite as well that is now for sale again.[/QUOTE]Sadly many bar and restaurant owners here can not get the simple formula correct. At Bon Marche they offer a choice of three entrees and three main courses. One of each is always a prawn dish. The second is always a fish dish.I can not eat prawns. My wife grew up in a remote seaside village in Sulawesi, as such she no longer likes neither prawns nor fish. Strike number three is that the beer is not cold enough.The place across the road attempted to be a Mexican restaurant with food cooked by someone who had no idea of what Mexican food tastes like. They then become a noodle restaurant and finally a blues bar with no blues music. At no stage did they have cold beer.I am well aware there is not much profit in beer in bars in Sanur. You buy a beer at 11,000 and sell it at 22,000. In between you must pay for rent, electricity, staff and various other little extra costs.However I have a group of around 50 friends. If two of us enter a bar, before very long others will ride or wander past. Next thing a group has formed. So there are 20 guys drinking in a bar and the bar owners respond by doing what? Nothing!I never ask for or want a free beer but do they ever offer a small plate of finger food? No! Do they have finger food or tapas style meals on their menus? No!Bloody hell a kilo of baby potatoes costs 10,000. Boil them up. Then throw them into a small amount of oil with salt and chilies, fry them for a few minutes. Put them on a plate, grate cheese over the top, stick a few tooth picks in as well. Easy. The 10,000 outlay will mean 20 people having another beer at 22,000.10,000 returns 440,000 for an extra profit of 210,000 sounds good to me.The Arena is the exception to the general rule. They have tapas style meals available, a group of 6 or 8 people can wander in order some cold drinks and 8 small plates of different finger food.It is so simple yet most bars restaurants offer bloody spring rolls, french fries and prawn cocktails as their basic entree, tapas style food. Let us follow the others let us not make our own path.Goodness me how easy is it to make scotch eggs using quail eggs, how easy is it to steam some asparagus and throw some butter on top of it, even the bitterballen is not a bad finger food, cutting up some cheese is not rocket science, having some olives with feta cheese or some pickled onions in a mason jar really is not that hard to do, pickling cucumbers is also not very hard to do, cutting up some salami does not require a university degree but does any restaurant owner here ever think of doing this?I wonder why they come and they go at regular intervals!

[I]"I wonder why they come and they go at regular intervals! "[/I]Then re-read your previous paragraph and while you're at it the entire thread. Friend here has big dreams but no idea how to start out or make it work. Your formula sounds easy but is made up of 20/30 years of experience I would estimate. Hire no.idea as consultant to your plan and then you have a chance - without him you can kiss the money goodbye.

The theory of doing business in Bali is one thing the practical of it is very very far from it if you want a quick rundown of being a business owner here in Bali then i will put it as mild as i can and this is from experience of 12 years doing it in Bali and 15 years before that in Thailand.1/ You will work 18/20 hours a day if you don't and decide to let your trusted staff do it because they are working for YOU then it will fail.2/ If you don't have the right connections and the people who matter on your side then it will fail ( it may also fail even with these as you are a foreigner and no rights whatsoever in real terms).3/ It does not matter how much cash you throw into it to make it the Ritz or a humble shack on the beach your project will have to be managed and controlled by you 24/7 to the finest detail as your staff are there to take out not put in ( Balinese famous saying is why should we make others rich ) or it will fail.4/ It is not like it says on the brochures ( have a business in paradise and lay on the beach sipping ice cold beers ) it is very hard time consuming work with very little time for socializing and the beach ( if you do it will fail ).5/ Your staff will either make your business a success or will kill it in its tracks if you try to change the way Balinese do things ( maybe it is the best way and the most profitable and sensible way ) but in the end it will be done their way or it will fail.6/ You will not make vast amount of cash no matter what your project is as the return on investments are swallowed up with keeping the right people ( and there are a lot of them ) and how shall we say making sure all is running smooth with no distractions, go against that and it will fail.7/ Please remember that the kind of business venture i see here being talked about Bars etc the competition is abundant as there is over supply and all the different gimmicks and different varieties of these themed bars and this type of special food have all been tried by numerous people and i have yet to see one last for more than a year except the local owned ? long time established joints which if the truth be told are not making money it is the fact they own the land & buildings that they can stay open with the bare income to pay bills staff etc.My advice to any foreigner would be IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE THE INVESTMENT and still have enough left to live your normal lifestyle as before then try it, if you are thinking of using your savings/borrowing etc then don't even think about as you will lose as it is nowhere like doing business in a westernized country as you have no safety nets or lifebelts here, you cant swim with all the above then you will drown as nobody will help you guaranteed.I am not trying to overstate the way it is in business here but the reality of it, the good bits are you will make a few quid and i mean a few, you will wake up in the sunshine, eat good food etc but it is very hard work from the guy selling Bakso on his trolley to the biggest hotel/restaurants.Really do your homework before committing to a business in Paradise.

The theory of doing business in Bali is one thing the practical of it is very very far from it if you want a quick rundown of being a business owner here in Bali then i will put it as mild as i can and this is from experience of 12 years doing it in Bali and 15 years before that in Thailand.1/ You will work 18/20 hours a day if you don't and decide to let your trusted staff do it because they are working for YOU then it will fail.2/ If you don't have the right connections and the people who matter on your side then it will fail ( it may also fail even with these as you are a foreigner and no rights whatsoever in real terms).3/ It does not matter how much cash you throw into it to make it the Ritz or a humble shack on the beach your project will have to be managed and controlled by you 24/7 to the finest detail as your staff are there to take out not put in ( Balinese famous saying is why should we make others rich ) or it will fail.4/ It is not like it says on the brochures ( have a business in paradise and lay on the beach sipping ice cold beers ) it is very hard time consuming work with very little time for socializing and the beach ( if you do it will fail ).5/ Your staff will either make your business a success or will kill it in its tracks if you try to change the way Balinese do things ( maybe it is the best way and the most profitable and sensible way ) but in the end it will be done their way or it will fail.6/ You will not make vast amount of cash no matter what your project is as the return on investments are swallowed up with keeping the right people ( and there are a lot of them ) and how shall we say making sure all is running smooth with no distractions, go against that and it will fail.7/ Please remember that the kind of business venture i see here being talked about Bars etc the competition is abundant as there is over supply and all the different gimmicks and different varieties of these themed bars and this type of special food have all been tried by numerous people and i have yet to see one last for more than a year except the local owned ? long time established joints which if the truth be told are not making money it is the fact they own the land & buildings that they can stay open with the bare income to pay bills staff etc.My advice to any foreigner would be IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE THE INVESTMENT and still have enough left to live your normal lifestyle as before then try it, if you are thinking of using your savings/borrowing etc then don't even think about as you will lose as it is nowhere like doing business in a westernized country as you have no safety nets or lifebelts here, you cant swim with all the above then you will drown as nobody will help you guaranteed.I am not trying to overstate the way it is in business here but the reality of it, the good bits are you will make a few quid and i mean a few, you will wake up in the sunshine, eat good food etc but it is very hard work from the guy selling Bakso on his trolley to the biggest hotel/restaurants.Really do your homework before committing to a business in Paradise.[/QUOTE]I suggest this be made compulsory reading for all those who wish to dangle their wallets in the Balinese/Indonesian/any 3rd world business environment. A sticky? So all the folks here don't have to keep repeating themselves? And a vote of thanks to Bakung (PhD, MBBA,). :applause::topsy_turvy::topsy_turvy::topsy_turvy:

The theory of doing business in Bali is one thing the practical of it is very very far from it if you want a quick rundown of being a business owner here in Bali then i will put it as mild as i can and this is from experience of 12 years doing it in Bali and 15 years before that in Thailand.1/ You will work 18/20 hours a day if you don't and decide to let your trusted staff do it because they are working for YOU then it will fail.2/ If you don't have the right connections and the people who matter on your side then it will fail ( it may also fail even with these as you are a foreigner and no rights whatsoever in real terms).3/ It does not matter how much cash you throw into it to make it the Ritz or a humble shack on the beach your project will have to be managed and controlled by you 24/7 to the finest detail as your staff are there to take out not put in ( Balinese famous saying is why should we make others rich ) or it will fail.4/ It is not like it says on the brochures ( have a business in paradise and lay on the beach sipping ice cold beers ) it is very hard time consuming work with very little time for socializing and the beach ( if you do it will fail ).5/ Your staff will either make your business a success or will kill it in its tracks if you try to change the way Balinese do things ( maybe it is the best way and the most profitable and sensible way ) but in the end it will be done their way or it will fail.6/ You will not make vast amount of cash no matter what your project is as the return on investments are swallowed up with keeping the right people ( and there are a lot of them ) and how shall we say making sure all is running smooth with no distractions, go against that and it will fail.7/ Please remember that the kind of business venture i see here being talked about Bars etc the competition is abundant as there is over supply and all the different gimmicks and different varieties of these themed bars and this type of special food have all been tried by numerous people and i have yet to see one last for more than a year except the local owned ? long time established joints which if the truth be told are not making money it is the fact they own the land & buildings that they can stay open with the bare income to pay bills staff etc.My advice to any foreigner would be IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE THE INVESTMENT and still have enough left to live your normal lifestyle as before then try it, if you are thinking of using your savings/borrowing etc then don't even think about as you will lose as it is nowhere like doing business in a westernized country as you have no safety nets or lifebelts here, you cant swim with all the above then you will drown as nobody will help you guaranteed.I am not trying to overstate the way it is in business here but the reality of it, the good bits are you will make a few quid and i mean a few, you will wake up in the sunshine, eat good food etc but it is very hard work from the guy selling Bakso on his trolley to the biggest hotel/restaurants.Really do your homework before committing to a business in Paradise.[/QUOTE]Bakung, don't you ever think about opening a business. You are destined to fail.

Bakung, don't you ever think about opening a business. You are destined to fail.[/QUOTE]Interesting comment please explain ?. regards

I agree with mostly what bakung is saying, but if I had to work 18/20 hours a day to run our business then I think I would prefer to have a regular 9-5 job. Yes, you will have problems if you take too much time off from running your business, but I think you need to have some kind balance between family, business and relaxation. If you find the right staff then this can happen, it doesn't happen overnight, but you can find trustworthy, hardworking people. [COLOR=#333333]Balinese famous saying is why should we make others rich[/COLOR][/QUOTE]Maybe you can have some kind of profit sharing arrangement with your staff, so they feel more rewarded for their effort.