ronb
....... and gamer industry today is bigger than movie industry ! .....[/QUOTE]Do you have any figures to back this claim. I seriously doubt it. Remember that the "movie industry" includes Hollywood, Bollywodd, Nollywood, and others. It is huge.
odez999
Do you have any figures to back this claim. I seriously doubt it. Remember that the "movie industry" includes Hollywood, Bollywodd, Nollywood, and others. It is huge.[/QUOTE][url=http://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2009/sep/27/videogames-hollywood]Videogames now outperform Hollywood movies | Technology | The Observer[/url]anyhow .. it is old news .. I was reading that gaming industry surpassed movie few years back ! It was news back then ...
odez999
Well, I'll tell you the answers to that.1) They're on holidays, getting pissed and having a "good time"2) They're basically stupid and couldn't tell you the difference between a bit and a byte3) They have no idea what they're paying for their connection in Oz, or what it is4) They're too old to remember much about anything and think "bargains" still exist (even in Bali)5) Some are paranoid about the possibility of getting busted for downloading illegal stuff in Australia6) They're stupid (to reiterate)7) Too lazy (or stupid) to know how to do itAll those DVD shops in Kuta, Legian etc are on borrowed time. From a "business sense", most of them have passed their use-by-date. It's only a matter of time.If you want to back a losing horse in a horse race, that's up to you and good luck (you're gonna need it big time). Not unlike why would anybody buy a new Blackberry these days when the writing's on the wall?As for a powerful gaming experience in Bali, how about this?Why don't you build Bali's first super-computer? If you don't have enough money to fork out for a Cray, or another real "super-computer", you could buy 50-100 [B]Pi[/B], (cheap), string 'em together, and Bob's your uncle.[I]Warning there[/I]: Learning curve involved but doable, unless one is a total nutter.Good luck to you whatever you decide. IMHO, you're not even near the eight ball yet, let alone behind it.Time will tell, who has fell, and whose been left behind.One last thing. Have you ever heard of a spell-checker?:icon_cool:[/QUOTE]Listen i did not came here to fight .."I am true you are wrong" sense ... so time will not tell .. coz i am not trying to prove nothing !I am just thinking out loud ...And gaming scene aint "passed their use-by-date" all over the world ! Especially in growing economies like Indonesian ! You wouldnt beleve but people pay up to 24$ (USD) for avatars (to have their name asociated with some sort of picture on specific services online) like Steam etc ! INSANEMy frend holds a warnet (6 PCs) a little boy came to him , with 20 000 IDR to buy some credit for some local game so he could spend it ingame for virtual "crap" ! I was thinking that boy came from some well situated family etc .. but he was living in shack when i looked later on when he came from !Its growing middle class (on east including Bali) who wants new gadgets new ways of entretaiment ... etc etc ...But hey thats my opinion !And DVD shops round Kuta still can make 100 000 000 IDR / month ! (some of them on really good locations) Well that is also pennies if you are into mining Australia biz. (and from that perspective) ! I just want to point out that in fact that is still not "passed their use-by-date" in any way !Owners are making good money with them ! (No I am not implying that anyone can open and start it)But if you saying that that bubble will blow out soon .. because more and more people have internet .. again wrong (I think) ... pirate scene will evolve (and will not be so much profitable, but will be there, making still good money)Ps4 is on horizont ... 20GB games AT LEAST (and nowdays is still hard to get decent & cheap 1GB net in Indonesia) so do the math ! What will fill the shelfs of those DVD shops in 2015 when all will be cracked and ready for copies ! Time have told that people who went into piracy business and that in SEA made money .. those stood with originals barley survived !Sorry for the grammar I hope you understand what I meant to say ! Or where I went wrong .. etc ...
spicyayam
what do you mean illegal activity ? Like ... ?[/QUOTE]Things like hacking and anything that might be illegal in Indonesia, like online gambling. I am just saying it is something you might need to be careful and you should at least be aware where you stand legally.I agree with you that computer games are big business. Big business mostly for the developers and distributors, but probably not big business for the network game shops. As you say people spend stupid amounts of money on in game purchases, but how are you going to profit from that? As I suggested before think of some kind of online way you can profit from games, maybe a blog or forum? Maybe create a localized version of a popular site in the US? My wife rented a shop here and based on that experience would never do it again. The landlord for example wouldn't give the actual electric bills and just made up a figure every month (it only went up and up). We had a friend taking care of the shop and when we were away for Christmas she lost the key. We found out about a week later from another friend that she lost the key. So not only had she not been running the shop, she had left the AC running the whole time. I have seen many businesses here that build up some success and then when it is time to renew the rent the landlord increases the rent so much that the business either has to fold or look for a new premises. I agree with JC that DVD sales (even illegal) ones is a dying business. Also I think it is a bad idea trying to start a business based on something that is illegal. The DVD shops could be closed down at anytime, or the police make it even more difficult to operate (especially if they find out a foreigner is involved). For example the APEC meeting coming up, all the shops could be closed down. I saw it happen often in China. Lastly, make sure your wife supports your ideas as she will be doing most or all of the work and what will happen when or if you have kids!
Rangi
I agree with JC that DVD sales (even illegal) ones is a dying business. [/QUOTE]http://www.lolbrary.com/content/506/ancient-civilization-ruins-32506.jpg[/IMG]
spicyayam
So true. Also magazines too: [url=http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/magazine-sales-january-june-2013/story-e6frg996-1226697934802]Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian[/url]
davita
Small or big business in Indonesia for a foreigner is risky.Even the foreign banks are shying away from doing business in Indonesia due to the structure of law. Witness DBS and RabobankI know a foreign lady who ran a very lucrative business, but had to have a nominee, due to Indonesian draconian law. The business employed more than 30 Balinese. The nominee saw the profits and got greedy, tried intimidation, then blackmail, then Indonesian law to squeeze more for his nominee participation. She closed the business in Petitenget and it is still boarded up to this day, while the court and lawyers are trying to sort it out. Meanwhile, she attempted to help the employees by opening in another location, but that is not so lucrative, so 30+ Balinese are now looking for other employment.My moral to this is....if Indonesia removed their nationalistic impediment to foreign ownership in business and property the economy would benefit.
odez999
[url=http://www.blockbuster.com/]Movies | New Releases | DVD Rental | Movie Trailers | Movie Reviews[/url] <--- still alive !And please not any more DVD biz. no one wanted to open any of those !If someone will conduct illegal activity with PC in internet caffe it is not owners responsibility (I think) .. In a way it is same to blaime Carrefour for killing with knife purchased with them ! But who will know in Indonesia and their legislative ...the best is to follow the other people ... The real problems are with electric .... renewing rent , and if you have indonesian employee .. that is totaly difrent spectar of problematic (dealing with them on daily basis i think) ... And a lot of stories where landlord see the biz you are doing .. and goes like "I could do that " .. all kinds of extortions and "fuckups" etc ...And I do not understand how your wife could agree to pay off electric on an approx. numbers calculated by ... landlord !!?? Infact I do .. its a process... live and learn .. and you know how they say .. usually best school is the one most expensive ! (for life in general)So far i figured what is essential- good location (meaning it has little room for parking motora and a room inside for like 10 PCs comfortably !!! ...) It must be somewhere on outer ring of Denpasar .. or simillar where those KOST for locals are ... I found price ranging from 15mil-25mil !- must check how it is with paying electric (and how it is conducted with landlord-must have that electric consumption meter)- must check how is it to pay billboard (advertisment) outside shop (apparently there is some sort of payment for that as well)- must be in range in fewISPs (must not be in wifi black spot coverage)- for papers, as a foreigner married with local (indonesian) I do not know exactly how it is done .. but I think CV will do ... since it is the cheaper option (Is it ?)- must check how it is done with payin/renewing the rent ! (must be able to pickup my stuff and relocate easily, can not be dependable of owner good will, or extortions, if something goes wrong)- must stay low profile - so-so reliable employe <--- so far i figured this is a major issue !- must be aware that all could go down the drain no mater what ... coz you never know on which toes you going to step in a process ! I am aware this is not so much propulsive market .. but like I said I am not there to make big money ... I like that sort of things ... And I think if you have love/enthusiasm .. that is big + (I still do after 2y living in here) !
odez999
So true. Also magazines too: [url=http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/magazine-sales-january-june-2013/story-e6frg996-1226697934802]Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian[/url][/QUOTE]Those so called magazines are pure crap ! 60% comercials and the rest is not worthed reading ! It is on same level like those free magazines in Airplanes ... Now only missing that someone mentions cloud computing is the future ... and that PS4 is actually obsolete thing without future already !
ferdie
Small or big business in Indonesia for a foreigner is risky.Even the foreign banks are shying away from doing business in Indonesia due to the structure of law. Witness DBS and Rabobank[/QUOTE]Davita, your example is wrong, the Indonesian banking rule was created based on the Basel accords and the main barrier on DBS and Rabobank to enter Indonesia is the reciprocal principle.DBS can't expand in Indonesia because their home country also didn't allow Indonesian banks open their branch there.The same thing happens to Rabobank.I know a foreign lady who ran a very lucrative business, but had to have a nominee, due to Indonesian draconian law. The business employed more than 30 Balinese. The nominee saw the profits and got greedy, tried intimidation, then blackmail, then Indonesian law to squeeze more for his nominee participation. She closed the business in Petitenget and it is still boarded up to this day, while the court and lawyers are trying to sort it out. Meanwhile, she attempted to help the employees by opening in another location, but that is not so lucrative, so 30+ Balinese are now looking for other employment.My moral to this is....if Indonesia removed their nationalistic impediment to foreign ownership in business and property the economy would benefit.[/QUOTE]Can't say much about the nominee's actions or her experience, greed and envy is a common thing in Bali, I learned it the hard way also, but by going into the nominee agreement, I believe she was smart enough to know what the risks :uncomfortableness:All those DVD shops in Kuta, Legian etc are on borrowed time. From a "business sense", most of them have passed their use-by-date. It's only a matter of time.If you want to back a losing horse in a horse race, that's up to you and good luck (you're gonna need it big time). Not unlike why would anybody buy a new Blackberry these days when the writing's on the wall?[/QUOTE]I'm afraid the borrowed time is still far away @Johny, in Bali there's 2 big black market DVD supplier with powerful connections. The DVD in Bali is more expensive than Surabaya or Jakarta but the price already include the cost for bribe:hopelessness:Just found out about this from a police guy a week ago, but I would prefer not doing it to keep my mind clear and sleep easily everyday
matsaleh
So true. Also magazines too: [URL="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/magazine-sales-january-june-2013/story-e6frg996-1226697934802"]Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian[/URL][/QUOTE]In fact, all printed media :icon_sad:[URL="http://www.theonion.com/articles/print-dead-at-1803,33244/"]Print Dead At 1,803 | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/URL]
spicyayam
I would follow Fred's advice here:The smaller business operate as a UD, a single Indonesian can use this type of business.[/QUOTE]Walk down any busy road with shops and you will see most have UD in their business name. UD is the smallest and cheapest to set up.
odez999
Small or big business in Indonesia for a foreigner is risky.Even the foreign banks are shying away from doing business in Indonesia due to the structure of law. Witness DBS and RabobankI know a foreign lady who ran a very lucrative business, but had to have a nominee, due to Indonesian draconian law. The business employed more than 30 Balinese. The nominee saw the profits and got greedy, tried intimidation, then blackmail, then Indonesian law to squeeze more for his nominee participation. She closed the business in Petitenget and it is still boarded up to this day, while the court and lawyers are trying to sort it out. Meanwhile, she attempted to help the employees by opening in another location, but that is not so lucrative, so 30+ Balinese are now looking for other employment.My moral to this is....if Indonesia removed their nationalistic impediment to foreign ownership in business and property the economy would benefit.[/QUOTE]Yes it is risky .. like it is living in indonesa in a way ! I think in here the main thing is TRUST ! No trust no nothing ! But the problem is that money changes people (in a bad way) ... and who knows what future brings ... Thats why I am not aiming on big money or a big business in firsplace ! and I am not dreaming ... I am aware that all it could go down the drain .... live and learn ...
odez999
In fact, all printed media :icon_sad:[URL="http://www.theonion.com/articles/print-dead-at-1803,33244/"]Print Dead At 1,803 | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/URL][/QUOTE]Does this includes books .. coz books are far from being dead ! There always be people who will pay to hold nice piece of book in their hands while laying down on the beach. Book is book !Even radio stations today did not died .. they evolved in a way ... Pure crap will be dead .. like those magazines ... becouse they are totaly 100% replaceable (unlike the Books TV or radio) ... Today people still have a "need" to listen radio in a car ... while cooking .. going to sleep etc ... Hulu or Spotify service did not replece them or will ! It will just evolve .. and will be like pay per lisent etc ... online .. bla bla ... but it will still have its "customers" !They told that piracy will kill musicians ... again wrong .... their making of $ just evolved ! Some of them from dirty rich become just rich .. and in a process those small ones did not died !
odez999
I would follow Fred's advice here:Walk down any busy road with shops and you will see most have UD in their business name. UD is the smallest and cheapest to set up.[/QUOTE]I guess one step up above UD is CV !?Can someone tell me the difference in theory and in practice ?
davita
Davita, your example is wrong, the Indonesian banking rule was created based on the Basel accords and the main barrier on DBS and Rabobank to enter Indonesia is the reciprocal principle.DBS can't expand in Indonesia because their home country also didn't allow Indonesian banks open their branch there.The same thing happens to Rabobank.[/QUOTE]Whilst I understand how the Indonesian reciprocity argument is presented the info I read is that Indonesia is to enact a new law requiring all foreign banks, in Indonesia, to become PT. I understand this would mean the majority of ownership must be Indonesian, and therefore control would be in the Indonesian domain. Which regulated foreign organisation, in their right mind, would give up to this well known corruptive and managerial inept majority ownership? I would call this reciprocity reasoning "shooting oneself in the foot!" Especially considering, as JP Business News reports, that BI Foreign Reserves have dropped over 20% in the last few months....indeed, at under US$100B, it is at the bottom of the World Bank's recommended minimum for a nation like Indonesia. Today the JP Business News says the Indonesia Stock Exchange (IDX) plans to reduce the share lots from 500 to 100 to increase market liquidity. IDX consists of 42% foreign involvement in trading and needs to lure more investors. Maybe getting the money that RI corruptors/tax dodgers stash in S'pore, and put into capitalising the IDX, would be a start! Then........maybe small businesses, like the OP's idea, can access Capital and the Indonesian economy may thrive; rather than selling its resources.IMO....being negative about reciprocity is destructive. Much like my previous post on the result of the behaviour of my friend's nominee.I've just heard he borrowed money against what he thought he would achieve and now the lenders are after him...and, apparently, they can be VERY intimidating!Many Indonesians buy freehold property and businesses in Canada, where I come from, and also Australia, UK and others, yet we cannot buy in Indonesia. Where is this reciprocity...maybe Canadians and Australians should apply the same principle!
odez999
I was always wondering why companies like Microsoft and Apple have access to cheap Asia labour market, while labourer do not have option to acess (and offer their skills) to better paid North American market etc ... ?!reciprocity you were saying ?
davita
I was always wondering why companies like Microsoft and Apple have access to cheap Asia labour market, while labourer do not have option to acess (and offer their skills) to better paid North American market etc ... ?!reciprocity you were saying ?[/QUOTE]odez999.... I left school at age 15 but even I understand the common-sense logic of 'supply and demand'. There is NO demand for labour in the N. American market. However, if one has a skill that is in demand.....visas are readily available, and a freehold house/apartment may be purchased, or a business may be pursued.However...you may be correct in future. I read the supply of cheap skilled labour in Asia is now 'not so cheap' and many Western Companies are returning to their country of origin for workers.
odez999
If there is no demand for cheap labour in N.America .. why the hell is so many illegal Mexican dishwashers in US and on similar jobs ? (millions of illegal workers ....)Why you think that Syrian in Lebanon refugee camp would not be more efficiant (and cheaper) in Chicago McDonalds restaurant then some local US citizen !!??there is no demand if you have term wich states that minimum wage is like 15$/hour ... avcours for this kind of benefit you must be US passport/citizen holder ! If you aint .. bad luck ... work for pennies ... Fair and square ! :D""Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free .. " .. bla bla bla .. empty words !
davita
I don't quite know what you're ranting about odez999!N. America is not looking for cheap labour...if they could deport those illegal Hispanics they would. The Unions would be delighted.Microsoft/Apple and other technical companies send Capital and intellectual property and Research & Developments to those Asian countries and absorb the cheap labour available...they don't send illegal Hispanics or even citizens. Other Companies have products manufactured in cheap labour areas to remain cheap...otherwise the product just wouldn't sell and unemployment there would rise.You seem to imply that this policy should be reciprocated by N. America opening it's borders to anyone that wants to work. To me that is like chalk and cheese...it isn't comparable.
