none musilm marry an a musilm.

Smoke

Becky80 wroteThanks guys for all your replies do you think l should go to an agent to help me with all the paperwork , so l know it's all correct , if so u guys know any good ones.

agent for what ? etting up your paperwork for marriage or for "spousal" kitas visa once you have all the needed paperwork

davita

Natasha wroteSo am I correct that RI doesn't recognize interfaith marriages, whether they are conducted in RI or abroad?

Not correct Natasha...I think smoke said that marriages conducted outside of Indonesia are accepted in Indonesia. This gives substance to his post.... [I]Another option taken is for couples to marry in an overseas country and then register the marriage under Indonesian law. The U.S. State Department’s 2009 report on religious freedom in Indonesia states: Men and women of different religions also continued to face obstacles to marrying and officially registering their marriages. Such couples had difficulty finding a religious official willing to perform the ceremony, which is required before registering a marriage. As a result, some persons converted in order to marry. Others traveled overseas, where they wed and then registered the marriage at an Indonesian embassy.[40] The 1974 Marriage Law provides that “a marriage performed outside Indonesia between two Indonesian nationals or between an Indonesian national and a foreign national shall be legitimate if carried out according to the laws in force in the state wherein the marriage has been performed and insofar as the Indonesian national is concerned, [COLOR="#FF0000"]the marriage is not in contravention with the provisions of this Law[/COLOR].”[41] Such marriages must be registered in Indonesia within one year of a couple’s return to the country.[42][/I] Like all law it is the interpretation that is key. I understand that Indonesia wouldn't check an Indonesian marrying a foreigner under this law but they might think differently if the marriage abroad was between two Indonesian citizens....but that's only my opinion.

Natasha

Smoke wroteJust got this from my Italian friend who lives in Denpasar with his Javenese wife if you are a foreigner you don't actually need to change religion or even have a religious ceremony in order to have a valid marriage in Indonesia. I got married at the italian embassy in Jakarta with a civil ceremony ([B][B][B]marriage celebrated by the ambassador[/B][/B][/B]), then I went to catatan sipil to have the marriage recognized in Indonesia.

And for two Indonesians wanting mixed marriage, would that be possible, or very hard? I first-hand saw my sister-in-law's whole family walk out on her wedding because she went ahead and converted to Hindu from Muslim, and married her Hindu husband. Her family was against her conversion, and her husband was willing to convert to Muslim but his family completely against it. The whole situation was quite awful. Could that have been avoided if they knew they could have had a legitimate mixed faith marriage recognized by Indonesian gov.?

Becky80

Getting all my paperwork for marriage

davita

Natasha wrote Could that have been avoided if they knew they could have had a legitimate mixed faith marriage recognized by Indonesian gov.?

Mixed faith-marriage is not recognized by the Indonesian Gov't. My above post about the Supreme Court decision came to that conclusion on the 1974 marriage law. The court simply concluded that the Muslim partner had denied her religion as she had requested a civil marriage....therefore she was not a Muslim and the marriage could be conducted in the civil registry. A typical judicial decision. Marriages conducted overseas, notwithstanding the faiths involved, are 'recognized' in Indonesia as legitimate. I reckon that smokes friend's marriage was conducted at the Italian Embassy. Embassies are internationally recognized as sovereign.

Smoke

you have to go to your embassy or consulate to get a form notorized that you are Not married . If you are changing to muslim go to any mosque and chat with the Imam . see what he requires for the simple conversion . set the conversion ceremont date and time. go get the red background photos in the size asked for tell ur about to be husband to go to KUA and inform them of upcomming wedding set the date and time Done

davita

Becky80 wroteGetting all my paperwork for marriage

There you go Becky that's the start of your future... When I married my beautiful Indonesian wife 28 years ago last week...I did all the paperwork for the wedding and her family provided the celebration. My wife chose her dress and make-up and smiled a lot.....:icon_e_biggrin:

Becky80

Because the wedding is in Java would he have to go to the Kua in Java

Smoke

Becky80 wroteBecause the wedding is in Java would he have to go to the Kua in Java

no idea on that stop by the local KUA and ask the procedure The Imam in Sanur Bali had the ceremony to become muslim , But we did visit the KUA in Lombok Timor where her family lives since we were there at the time

Smoke

[MENTION=9589]Natasha[/MENTION] a service performed at an embassy is expensive even if it is "your" embassy . may be more expensive or not even possible if one person is not that nationality . My USA consulte charged me 700k to notorized a form saying I was not married. In the USA that would be free or a few $$ not the 60+ usd they charged

Billt4SF

Far be it from me to offer advice to anyone about marriage, let alone about living in Indonesia, but it must be said in this context that anyone considering conversion to Islam should recognize its strong disapproval towards anyone that could be considered an apostate. Islam has historically (and I think still does) reserve its harshest judgement for apostates, much harsher than for non-Muslims. Just something to consider, especially for those considering a non-sincere, or "paper" conversion. Thanks, Bill

Rangi

Billt4SF wroteFar be it from me to offer advice to anyone about marriage, let alone about living in Indonesia,. l

IMO This is about where this post should of stopped, because the facts you gave was pretty poor.

Markit

Rangi there is no "advise" in Bill's post, purely a statement of fact. If you don't agree with the "facts" then refute them with some of your own but just telling someone to shut up is called censorship where I come from and I like that almost as little as I like religious dogma.

davita

@ post # 32 It's his advice to give whether you like it or not! It's admin's duty to curtail threads at their discretion...see Forum Rules....PM them.

Rangi

Markit wroteRangi there is no "advise" in Bill's post, purely a statement of fact. \.

My Bad. I apologize Billt4SF

Billt4SF

Rangi wroteMy Bad. I apologize Billt4SF

No worries, Rangi. - Bill

davita

davita wrote@ post # 32 It's his advice to give whether you like it or not! It's admin's duty to curtail threads at their discretion...see Forum Rules....PM them.

Wow! my first dislike in over 1800 posts...must have stubbed someones toe!

Smoke

davita wroteWow! my first dislike in over 1800 posts...must have stubbed someones toe!

naw you have more then one dislike

davita

Smoke wrotenaw you have more then one dislike

OK smoke....how to find? I looked into my profile and found none... but the archive doesn't go far back.

Smoke

davita wroteOK smoke....how to find? I looked into my profile and found none... but the archive doesn't go far back.

no idea honestly but I have given you a few so I know your counting is off' the dislike button is actually only a few/several months old as the old plugin used was not compatable to the updated vbulletin( forum oftware)

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