Joe Writeson
Adam wroteJoe,
We all know how much of a pessimist you are but there are some genuinely beautiful kind hearted people in this world, and for the record I [I]do not [/I] consider myself to be one of those people, though I wish I was. My sister is, and has adopted 2 guinea pigs, a duck and a rabbit in the last eighteen months. .My point is there are [I]some[/I] people in this world who would not find this situation a burden. You just gotta put the time in to find them.
....pessimist? ...you should catch me on a bad day...and surprise surprise ...I have also adopted things ... a shitty attitude for one...
Anyway as I pointed out, everything might start out with the best of intentions but human nature being what it is, and I do have a lot of experience dealing with humans, things ALWAYS go tits up...
The animal is sick, it is impaired, it's quality of life must be pathetic and when it no longer hears the voice of the kind little girl who cares for it...it will pine away and it's life will be even worse... the answer is obvious... a T bone steak with a Micky Finn and then a long sleep.
davita
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OMG Rangi...now I know what young people mean about a 'SELFIE"...so thanks for the visual explanation! I'm Off to the SILOAM!
samsiam
Well, Joe, lets just say l did some research when it happened 10 months ago...and quality of life is astounding in actual fact, much better than l thought possible in first month. In fact just got back from 1k bike ride with her and other dog, how is that even possible for a pining, pathetic impaired creature....?
she sleeps at the bottom of the stairs and waits for us to come down each morning, she then follows us outside and sits by our side at the outside brekky table waiting for her slice of peanut butter on toast...
Joe Writeson
Play it again Sam... I implied a future scenario AFTER you have left Thailand... and currently it eats better than me, so any chance of a job?
samsiam
^...yeah, you can pick up her poop on the beach if interested...pay not so bad.
Anyway, not first time we have transported a dog....or some other type of animal.....we shipped a dog from Oz to Thailand and did all that ourselves and dealt with one of the most corrupt segments of Thai government....customs.
Difference here is we are all aliens this time round.
I best not tell the tale of the 6 foot croc in the front seat of my car for 3 days.
davita
[QUOTE=Joe Writeson;94458the answer is obvious... a T bone steak with a Micky Finn and then a long sleep.[/QUOTE]
Joe .....I can tell you must be a prolific writer because of your amazing experience and expressions of life and times.
Did you, perchance, have acqaintance with the Pierrepoint family from Nottingham....
[I]Pierrepoint, who was born in 1905, learned his trade assisting his uncle Tom.
The younger man was never called to carry out any executions at Nottingham because the city's last hanging was on April 10, 1928 – four years before he was first employed as an executioner.
But his father, Henry, founder of the Pierrepoint family dynasty of hangmen, carried out two executions in the city – those of Edward Glynn on August 7, 1906 and Samuel Atherley on December 14, 1909.
Like his son, Henry diligently kept an execution diary, noting details of the victims' names, ages, heights and weights and giving a brief description of the condition of the condemned prisoners' neck – although when Albert started keeping a diary, he dispensed with this detail as he thought it distasteful.
Henry Pierrepoint died in 1922, 10 years before Albert embarked upon the same career. Little did he know that his son would become the most prolific hangman in British history.
Albert is credited with the quickest hanging on record. Assisted by Syd Dernley, he executed James Inglis in only seven seconds on May 8, 1951 at Strangeways Prison in Manchester.
Pierrepoint's first hanging as chief executioner was at Pentonville prison on October 17, 1941, when the condemned man was gangster Antonio "Babe" Mancini.
During the Second World War, Pierrepoint assisted or was the principal hangman when 16 American soldiers were executed at Shepton Mallet military prison in Somerset for murder and rape.
After the war, Albert made several visits to Germany and on December 13, 1945, he hanged 13 German war criminals at Hameln jail, including the "Beast of Belsen" Josef Kramer. He is thought to have hanged around 200 Nazis in all.
Other famous cases involved "Lord Haw-Haw" (William Joyce), whom Pierrepoint hanged at Wandsworth prison for treason on January 3, 1946.
John George Haigh, the notorious "acid bath murderer", was also executed on August 10, 1949, also at Wandsworth.
One controversial case in which Pierrepont was the executioner was the hanging of Derek Bentley – a 19-year-old with a mental age of 11 – on January 28, 1953, at Wandsworth, for his part in the murder of a policeman.
Pierrepont also hanged Timothy John Evans on March 9, 1950 at Pentonville for the murder of his wife at 10 Rillington Place – the home of John Reginald Christie. Christie admitted killing seven women in total. He was hanged on July 15, 1953 at Pentonville Prison. In 1966 Evans was granted a posthumous pardon.
On July 13, 1955, at Holloway Prison, Ruth Ellis became the last woman to be hanged in Britain.
Pierrepoint resigned over a disagreement about fees in 1956.
He had gone to Strangeways on a cold day in January 1956 to hang Thomas Bancroft, only to find that Bancroft was reprieved. Pierrepoint claimed the full fee of £15 (around £200 at today's prices), but was offered just £1 in out-of-pocket expenses by the Under-Sheriff of Lancashire. After appealing to the Prison Commission, who refused to get involved, the Under-Sheriff sent him a cheque for £4 in final settlement. But this was a huge insult to his pride in his position as Britain's chief executioner.[/I]
Civil Servants....Gotta luv 'em!
Read more: Hangman executed his duties with noose and hood as tools of trade | Nottingham Post
scout
[ATTACH]1949.vB[/ATTACH] my beautiful bali dog, was a throw away, and rescued by an animal shelter, now loved and happily living with me....
davita
Recent news is about a teenager who climbed into the wheel well of a Boeing 767 and the A/C flew for nearly 6 hours from California to Hawaii. The A/C flew at 38,000 feet cruising altitude where there is little to no oxygen and the temperature can be lower than -40 degrees celcius. How he survived is a miracle and I would have bet it couldn't happen...but it did!
See... [I]"pilot and aviation consultant John Nance said the incident is 'one of three things — a hoax, a miracle or we're going to have to rewrite the textbooks if he actually did what he says he did. He needs to be studied very carefully by medical science because this is not supposed to be possible.' "[/I]
To get back to the thread about moving dogs around the world. I recall the CEO of the airline I worked for imported 2 pedigree puppies from Australia to Hong Kong. The baggage handlers forgot to put on the ancillary heating switch to the cargo compartment and the puppies died of hypothermia. Hati-hati!:icon_e_surprised:
Joe Writeson
samsiam wrote^...yeah, you can pick up her poop on the beach if interested...pay not so bad.
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...what sort of money are you paying? ...I have lot of experience of dealing with shit!
samsiam
Would consider a contra deal...we have pickled beetroot, cucumbers and chili's and eggs also.
foodlover
I brought my dog to bali with car.
I drove a car from jakarta to bali.
from the harbour, I gave my dog as much biscuit as she can eat. I put my dog on my foot and cover with a light blanket.
at that time we had everything of our belonging in the car so they didnt checked everything in details.
My dog didn't make any noises and we arrive in bali with peace and love.
samsiam
foodlover wroteI brought my dog to bali with car.
I drove a car from jakarta to bali.
from the harbour, I gave my dog as much biscuit as she can eat. I put my dog on my foot and cover with a light blanket.
at that time we had everything of our belonging in the car so they didnt checked everything in details.
My dog didn't make any noises and we arrive in bali with peace and love.
Wanna do a road trip ?
davita
foodlover wroteI brought my dog to bali with car.
I drove a car from jakarta to bali.
from the harbour, I gave my dog as much biscuit as she can eat. I put my dog on my foot and cover with a light blanket.
at that time we had everything of our belonging in the car so they didnt checked everything in details.
My dog didn't make any noises and we arrive in bali with peace and love.
Foodlover...I suggest you should add how you brought your dog to Indonesia.....and from where. Samsiam needs to bring his from Thailand.
samsiam
davita wroteFoodlover...I suggest you should add how you brought your dog to Indonesia.....and from where. Samsiam needs to bring his from Thailand.
Bringing from Thailand does not seem to be the issue....bringing to Jakarta has no problems from what I can gather and have been told.....the issue is then onto Bali which no doubt is where the extra inflated cost is.
No doubt its a revenue raiser......with the odd crackdown to reinforce why the dollar needs to be spent.
Markit
davita wroteFoodlover...I suggest you should add how you brought your dog to Indonesia.....and from where. Samsiam needs to bring his from Thailand.
Getting pooch to Java/Jakarta is no problem it's that leg Java - Bali where all the trouble starts.
While I think of it Sam - the best air transporters of animals are strangely KLM - they're crap with people but great with dogs/cats/etc. Cheap too!
balibule
Have you seen this youtube clip where they kill illegally imported dogs at the Gillimanuk harbour?
Dogs Euthanized in Bali - YouTube
Adam
Wow. Speechless. A few bucks worth of pooch there.
Still, if it's illegal to bring dogs in from Java - the owners knew the risks and good on quarantine for at least upholding
some part of the law.
Sam - If I were you I wouldn't want to run this risk for my beloved pet.
davita
I read the whole thing but, knowing how difficult ALL bureaucratic process is in RI, I put the possibility of importing from a rabies area into the 'Too Hard' file.
I suggested elsewhere to make sure your project will succeed BEFORE travel with the pooch...as the consequences by NOT having permission will assuredly grieve your daughter as she witnesses the seizure of her beloved pet, whether it be at Jakarta airport or the X'ing to Bali and which may be compounded by the arrest of her beloved father....but heh! Good luck!
samsiam
^ but the professional and expert animal transport companies....have stated, and this is 3 separate companies, that as long as you have the import permit...which can be granted when meeting the requirements....is a formality and obviously they have the experience in conducting the IR bureaucratic dances....thats why I would use an agent, not do myself....if we do it.
What project.....we are going surfing....any project comes later, much later....by then she would have got used to life without pooch and there would be no need to bring it 12 months down the track.
Its now or never....not forgetting, finding someone to take care of a blind dog here as good as we do, just not possible I believe.
davita
Bringing from Thailand does not seem to be the issue....bringing to Jakarta has no problems from what I can gather and have been told.....the issue is then onto Bali which no doubt is where the extra inflated cost is.
Getting pooch to Java/Jakarta is no problem it's that leg Java - Bali where all the trouble starts.
I suggest you read thru' this link from expat indonesia...especially where it says that ONLY pets from
rabies-free countries are permitted into Jakarta...then google 'rabies-free countries' and look for Thailand.
All the sites I've seen do NOT include Thailand as a rabies-free country.
Smuggling dogs from Java to Bali is an illegal act that can carry a jail sentence....I believe 3 years max then deported if a foreigner! Bon Voyage:grumpy:
Having Pets in Indonesia
