milan
I think you meant to direct that comment to Milan! [/quote]:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: My brother lives in LA so it is the US still.
Sumatra
Roy,That martini apology is coming, as soon as I can make it happen :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Milan,Why would your brother choose to live in "The city of the angels" :? Whatever the reason, at least he has the proper survival attitude. :twisted: :twisted:
milan
Don, for the American Dream and he [b]MADE[/b] it!!!He also has three sons and they all [b]MADE[/b] it too. They live in a house that costs US 1 million [b]each[/b] through the hard works they put in. Not bragging but it's the truth.
Sumatra
Milan,I'm happy for your family.Here's something very interesting from 1983, yes that's correct [b]1983[/b][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxgarOVO078[/url]This is as true now, as it was 25 years ago. You won't hear OB'S or, Kuato talk about it because they, unlike Ron Paul are owned by special interest groups and are blinded by their need to feed personal agendas.I implore you all to reconsider your voting decision and as stated in previous posts, I don't believe this man is a panacea but right here and now, he's the best hope we have of turning this mess around.Don
BaliLife
ron paul is a man of strong principles and in a sense i admire him for not deviating from those principles.. but as much as i admire him for not deviating from his principles, i also think a number of his views are extreme - and somewhat ridiculous..ct
Sumatra
Balilife,What's so extreme and ridiculous about sticking to the constitution? What views of his do you consider so radical and subject to ridicule? I'm curious. :?Don
BaliLife
his extreme views on abortion, the right to bear arms, his anti UN & NATO rhetoric, his pro-stance on a regressive tax structure or the abolition of income tax, the view that government should play no role in healthcare and the fact that he's against the existence of the Fed Reserve are all positions that are unlikely to resonate too well with most moderates - and certainly not with me..Some of his views I'm in agreement with, but all those above I strongly disagree with; like I said, the fact that he sticks to his views (however twisted they may be) and doesn't bow to political pressure is slightly admirable..ct
Sumatra
Balilife,You are not a moderate. Every word you write is liberal, liberal, liberal.None of the forced legislation you mentioned in your post was ever expressly authorized by the US constitution.If the US constitution was being adhered to by our public officials from its inception, with only some of the amendments relating to human rights kept and all the rest of the crap tossed in the hopper, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in right now.You mentioned in a previous post your dismay with US troops being stationed all over the planet well, if we were following our own rules, they wouldn't be.This is just one example of dozens that could be cited.The US constitution is an excellent document, which gives its citizenry extraordinary power and protection through the simple act of voting. This is the very reason why tyrants like Franklin D. Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson and George Bush (both father and son) are always attacking it.Tyrants as a rule just hate being held in check.The federal reserve, income taxes, USA patriot act, NAFTA, a legacy of tyrants. I'm not even sure the mess can be straightened out at this point in time but defeating that $700 billion bailout bill is a good start.Don :)
BaliLife
but defeating that $700 billion bailout bill is a good start.[/quote]well your victory is likely to be short lived my friend :wink: virtually the same bill is going to the senate tonight and the senate has already confirmed it has the yes votes for it to pass. it will then go back to the house on thursday where it will almost certainly be approved - even by your slimy GOP buddies..the house republicans have become the laughing stock of the world. they emerged from the vote and didn't say, "we turned it down because it's bad for americans", they came out and said, "pelosi wasn't nice to us, so we acted like little children, threw a tantrum and turned it down".. that would have been all fine and dandy had that not led to $1.7 trillion of equity being blown out of the markets within a matter of 2 hours.. they're all carrying their tails between their legs at this time.. so enjoy your next 2 sleeps - they'll likely be your last before the bill passes :lol:ct
tintin
Sumatra,I have 2 unrelated, but serious questions, out of your many points.1) The US constitution is an excellent document, which gives its citizenry extraordinary power and protection through the simple act of voting[/quote]And so are the constitutions of many other countries. However, in France for example, 85% of the eligible voters vote in presidential elections. In contrast, in the United States, less than 50% bother to do so. Why? Do North Americans know something that French people don't know? (By the way, believe me, if the thievery which recently occurred in the US had happened in France, it would have been 1789 all over again... :evil: )2) Could you explain in simple terms to us, neophytes, what is so bad about The Federal Reserve? :?
Roy
OK, so the very highly anticipated, and expected to be record "tuned in" debate between Governor Palin and Senator Biden is over.If you watched it, what do you think?Personally I thought it was pathetic that someone as under qualified as Palin could realistically be on a national ticket for such a high and important public office. What made me have to change my pants is when she declared that the VP position should be given more Constitutional powers...ala Dick Cheney.She completely misunderstood the role of the VP in the senate...a tie vote breaker only, and that sent measurable shock waves down my spine.There are many other points of the debate I could point to, but it will be more fun to hear what you have to say.
milan
I'm going to decline this time as no matter what, each of us would see it from our point of view that is favourable to us. All I can say is, she should never again accept edited interviews with any of these biased media and just go and do her straight talk to the American people in that folksy, confident, happy, mid-western and just so connected to the people way. She was Reaganesque and that's my opinion.(Alright, be ready for "Fire!" in my direction). It's 11:25 am here and I just got up due to the debate. Let me get some coffee so please pass me by and just discuss it among you, guys. Pretend that I'm not here... :)
Sumatra
Tintin,Alas, I can't explain the apathetic attitude of my fellow citizens when it comes to the vote. I can only surmise that the depths of political corruption present have caused them to develop feelings of helplessness. A pervasive train of thought exists among the people, that somehow the vote will be guided to a predetermined outcome by those with power, financial influence and of course a vested interest.Myself, I'd like nothing more than to see some heads roll, literally. It may be the only thing that can stop this downward spiral.In 1933 FDR (communist bastard) attempted to force through the National Industrial Recovery Act after the stock market crash. It was challenged in the SJC in 1935 and was declared by the justices to be unconstitutional.This declaration by the SJC in 1935 is the [b]only[/b] difference between the NRIA and the the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. The Federal Reserve Act has never been challenged in open court but is no less unconstitutional than the NRIA of 1935. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, this is a cartel structure that is very profitable for those at the top of the pyramid. Certain Colombians emulated this structure to become the most successful illicit drug manufacturer's and dealers in the world.An all-powerful central bank controlled by the federal government is not only able to keep its own citizens clamped down under their thumb but has the ability to hold any countries dealing with it hostage also. The euro was doing so poorly yesterday, several member countries are considering pulling out of it. The federal reserve act needs to be abolished. Too much power under the control of too few responsible people.Don
Roy
I can only surmise that the depths of political corruption present have caused them to develop feelings of helplessness.[/quote]Don, great words, and I've heard them many times in the last 20 months. I'm sorry my friend, but shouldn't that reality ALONE be enough incentive to get out and vote? Or, are you suggesting that Americans should just capitulate and declare themselves as losers in the greatest war America has ever had...that being to seize America back for Americans?Hey, I'm not one to preach, as the truth is, this election is the first time I've voted in 12 years. If McCain wins, I want my earned right to bitch about it! Obama inspires me, and he has put back the fire in my belly that I once felt for America. He alone makes me feel a righteous pride in being an American. John McCain, in spite of all his efforts to dress the cake with frosting, cannot bring back the early 70's (late Vietnam) as anything that most of us will find pride, or resolution. For most Vietnam vets, his words, resolved to "win in Iraq" are like a ringing bell from 40 years ago. Will we have yet another granite wall in Washington to go to each Memorial Day to cry and pound our fists upon?The enemy is NOT in Iraq, and every thinking pair of boots on the ground there knows that. Don, I can tell you that so long as I breath air, none of my three boys will ever take up arms against anyone without a clear and righteous reason. To do otherwise, and survive, will likely mean that the rest of their lives is spent with the shared sleep of ghosts and images that will haunt them until they die. One thing that Joe Biden repeated over and over in his debate...and it is undeniably true, is that this election is the most important for Americans since 1932. Regardless of political affiliation, can anyone argue that?
chilli
I can only surmise that the depths of political corruption present have caused them to develop feelings of helplessness.[/quote]Don, great words, and I've heard them many times in the last 20 months. I'm sorry my friend, but shouldn't that reality ALONE be enough incentive to get out and vote? Or, are you suggesting that Americans should just capitulate and declare themselves as losers in the greatest war America has ever had...that being to seize America back for Americans?Hey, I'm not one to preach, as the truth is, this election is the first time I've voted in 12 years. If McCain wins, I want my earned right to bitch about it! Obama inspires me, and he has put back the fire in my belly that I once felt for America. He alone makes me feel a righteous pride in being an American. John McCain, in spite of all his efforts to dress the cake with frosting, cannot bring back the early 70's (late Vietnam) as anything that most of us will find pride, or resolution. For most Vietnam vets, his words, resolved to "win in Iraq" are like a ringing bell from 40 years ago. Will we have yet another granite wall in Washington to go to each Memorial Day to cry and pound our fists upon?The enemy is NOT in Iraq, and every thinking pair of boots on the ground there knows that. Don, I can tell you that so long as I breath air, none of my three boys will ever take up arms against anyone without a clear and righteous reason. To do otherwise, and survive, will likely mean that the rest of their lives is spent with the shared sleep of ghosts and images that will haunt them until they die. One thing that Joe Biden repeated over and over in his debate...and it is undeniably true, is that this election is the most important for Americans since 1932. Regardless of political affiliation, can anyone argue that?[/quote]
chilli
No i definatly do not argue that, i am absolutely for Obama.and i wish i could vote !
tintin
You know that with the Republican ticket you are in for 4 more years of the same Bush's policies, when the Republican V.P. candidate keeps referring to NUCULAR weapons and NUCULAR energy... :lol: :lol:
ronb
There are many other points of the debate I could point to, but it will be more fun to hear what you have to say.[/quote]We were glued to it. Like many others we thought that Palin would mess it up. But she didn't - her performance was OK. For sure if you listened carefully to the questions, then you found that she basically skipped around them and then talked about energy again - which is apparently something she feels OK about.Then, if you were being a bit analytical, you would find that Biden had a better grasp of detail, but when he was digging into detail (like a particular senate vote) I think many viewers were getting bored and glazing over.To sum up, while this debate was interesting, I don't expect it to have much influence on public opinion - but I will watch the polls, and maybe find out I'm wrong.
Sumatra
Roy,Capitulation is not the course of action I'm suggesting. Gathering enough like-minded individuals so as to form a political front, a force to be reckoned with by the powers that be, has become a seemingly insurmountable task.People are tired out. They're beaten down by the daily survival grind and intimidated into silence and inaction by overzealous law enforcement agencies with a free pass (USA Patriot Act) to; open our mail, eavesdrop on all other communications, violently break up our peaceful protests with teargas, dogs and tazers, all under an authorization that isn't allowed to be questioned in a court of law.Heart disease, cancer, neurological disorders, lung infections of undetermined origin that last for up to six weeks at a time, mental illness combined with or caused by substance abuse. Your average American isn't even able to maintain a healthy physical state much longer than a six month stretch. Why is everyone sick around here all the time? I've been all over the world and it's [b]not[/b] like this in other developed countries.Our food supply here is rife with contamination from preservatives and pesticides that have been banned by the rest of the world. It doesn't surprise me that the people have become so mentally dulled by the constant low-grade poisoning that the average diet so amply supplies, they're incapable of mounting a respectable defense.I'm sorry Roy but Obama has something to hide, he won't even release a record of his grades while he attended Colombia University. Why is that?He's also eyeball deep in ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now)You're familiar with them aren't you, ACORN has an anti-capitalism agenda and some very creative ways of financing and affecting voter turn out.You're right about the enemies not being in Iraq. Our enemies are lurking amongst us.Don :x
Bert Vierstra
You are not into chemtrails or so Don?
