To all Australians living in Indonesia who are married to an Indonesia with children born in Indonesia....I just thought i would let you know that the Indonesia government is soon to pass legislation to allow dual citizenship. For the child or children. Good news at last!
Dual citizenship.
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Ya thats GREAT NEWS for your situation!! I hope it passes without any delays!! Does any one of you knowledgable people have any insight on this situation: I am a U.S.A passport holder,my wife Indonesian, holds a Indonesian passport,my daughter born to us ,a U.S.A. passport holder. We plan to move to Bali in the next couple of years. Will my Daughter be elgable for dual citizenship as well??
Currently i am in Australia, with my wife and children. My wife has been going to the Indonesian embassy here to organise a new passport as hers has expired. The staff at the embassy told her that this new law should be coming into affect this year. they are just waiting for it to be passed.
As for other nationalities i am unware of any changes.
As for other nationalities i am unware of any changes.
Neil, not to "pop" your bubble, I would take anything and everything one can hear at an Indonesian embassy regarding immigration changes with a large grain of salt.
Discussions regarding changes in immigration laws have been ongoing here for a long time. This kind of news, if it were true, would be big news in Bali, and nobody I know has heard a thing about it.
Good luck, as it would be truly great if it were true. Personally I would save a great deal of money if my three boys could hold dual citizenship.
Discussions regarding changes in immigration laws have been ongoing here for a long time. This kind of news, if it were true, would be big news in Bali, and nobody I know has heard a thing about it.
Good luck, as it would be truly great if it were true. Personally I would save a great deal of money if my three boys could hold dual citizenship.
This piece of news is true! It is, as we speak, being put through the normal channels of government etc etc as is the pornography bill and the like. The question is not if this is likely but WHEN.
Jakarta Post has been running articles on this for some time now
Jakarta Post has been running articles on this for some time now
Unfortunately, the biggest hurdle for that bill to become law is that is that it passes the Indonesian parliament, so I would keep the champagne on ice until that happens.
All The Jakarta Post has written so far is "the bill is expected to be passed soon." Is that “journalistic license” or is that based on an unnamed and qualified source, or did The Jakarta Post conduct a survey of legislators? I suspect it’s the former.
For clarification, this bill (if passed), would apply beyond Australians.
All i can say at this point is that finally we might get something good for a change instead of bad. I feel that when this law passes it will be very benificial and have some great long term effects.
I'd certainly like to see it passed. It could save us quite a bit of money, but I'll join Roy with keeping the scotch in the bottle until I actually see it passed.
Dr. Bruce! Keeping the scotch in the bottle, waiting for this draft revision to be passed would be like prohibition! :cry: :cry: :cry: Champagne I can wait on, but scotch or martins? They are staples of life!
No question Neil, that when (and if) this law passes, it will be major PARTY TIME in Bali.
And, as you write, "when this law passes it will be very benificial and have some great long term effects."
It would be impossible to find an expat in Bali, (or anywhere else in Indonesia), married to an Indonesian, and with kids, or just thinking about them, to not embrace this change with all bells and whistles full on.
No question Neil, that when (and if) this law passes, it will be major PARTY TIME in Bali.
And, as you write, "when this law passes it will be very benificial and have some great long term effects."It would be impossible to find an expat in Bali, (or anywhere else in Indonesia), married to an Indonesian, and with kids, or just thinking about them, to not embrace this change with all bells and whistles full on.
I was just visiting the jakartass blog and he has news from the Jakarta Post about the proposed bill. One problem that has been noted is:
"The network's biggest cause for concern is Article 26, which stipulates that a female spouse will lose her citizenship once she marries someone of foreign nationality."
So now what are the esteemed ladies and gentlemen in Jakarta up to. I don't even bother to mention any of this to my wife anymore because it just upsets here. She expects that anything done by the government will be harmful to those of us from outside the country, including our children.
Think I'll have a scotch and look at the baseball scores.
"The network's biggest cause for concern is Article 26, which stipulates that a female spouse will lose her citizenship once she marries someone of foreign nationality."
So now what are the esteemed ladies and gentlemen in Jakarta up to. I don't even bother to mention any of this to my wife anymore because it just upsets here. She expects that anything done by the government will be harmful to those of us from outside the country, including our children.
Think I'll have a scotch and look at the baseball scores.
Waiting for bills to be passed here can take years and there are many bills that get to parliament but they don't have time to pass them and then go on hold also for many years. The pornography bill was first put to parliament in the early nineties.
When I was applying to become an Indonesian 3 years ago the immigration guy suggested that I should just wait for this bill to be passed and then it would be easy for me. This was after a year of spending a great deal to get my KITAB from him. Well luckily I didn't take his advice and I suggest for any of you out there never hold your breath for things to be changed here.
When I was applying to become an Indonesian 3 years ago the immigration guy suggested that I should just wait for this bill to be passed and then it would be easy for me. This was after a year of spending a great deal to get my KITAB from him. Well luckily I didn't take his advice and I suggest for any of you out there never hold your breath for things to be changed here.
Thanks for the link Charlie. It looks promising, but I need to read the whole law. My wife, however, has been running around the house celebrating all day. We're dropping by immigration in Singaraja tomorrow to see how it will affect us.
the new dual citizenship law has been passed. you can read all about it in the jakarta post or go to http://www.jakartapost.com
unfortunatly it only lasts until your children are 18, but at least for expats who are living in indonesia and have children with an indonesia you wont have to worry about visa's anymore.
as i understand it this law is for all nationalities.
unfortunatly it only lasts until your children are 18, but at least for expats who are living in indonesia and have children with an indonesia you wont have to worry about visa's anymore.
as i understand it this law is for all nationalities.
Neil,
With just cursory glance at the report in the Jawa Pos, it seems to be applicable to countries that offer reciprocal arrangements like the US where if a child is born in the country or to an American parent, then the child automatically becomes an American citizen.
I was also interested in the mention of expats who have lived for Indonesia for five consecutive years or ten total being eligible for permanent residency.
With just cursory glance at the report in the Jawa Pos, it seems to be applicable to countries that offer reciprocal arrangements like the US where if a child is born in the country or to an American parent, then the child automatically becomes an American citizen.
I was also interested in the mention of expats who have lived for Indonesia for five consecutive years or ten total being eligible for permanent residency.
Just an update on the dual citizenship situation. My wife, in her enthusiasm over this, dropped by the immigration office here in Singaraja. She had a rather upsetting, to say the least, conversation with a fellow there, who showed what I hope is not going to be the attitude that immigration takes towards this new law. In short, it was if you're so interested in your kids having Indonesian passports, why did you make them Americans in the first place. Then it was come back next year and we'll know more.
Needless to say, I calmed her down and had her call our folks at Bali IDE who confirmed that the law was passed, but that it would take a little while before they (Bali IDE) had all the particulars, etc.
Two lessons to be learned for those who haven't worked with immigration before -
A new law doesn't mean a new change in their attitude towards foreigners which I have always found to be bordering on the xenophobic, and second, use an agent. My wife agrees with both and has fortunately agreed that we'll let our agent deal this as it comes down the pipe.
Needless to say, I calmed her down and had her call our folks at Bali IDE who confirmed that the law was passed, but that it would take a little while before they (Bali IDE) had all the particulars, etc.
Two lessons to be learned for those who haven't worked with immigration before -
A new law doesn't mean a new change in their attitude towards foreigners which I have always found to be bordering on the xenophobic, and second, use an agent. My wife agrees with both and has fortunately agreed that we'll let our agent deal this as it comes down the pipe.
I agree 100%. I think our good forum friend Richard will benefit from this new law, as he has obtained, (and it is no small achievement) Indonesian citizenship for himself.
For the rest of us, (specifically the children or our mixed marriages), as I looked more into this "law" there will be little, if any, change.
For the rest of us, (specifically the children or our mixed marriages), as I looked more into this "law" there will be little, if any, change.
This morning my wife phoned the Indonesian consulate in Vancouver and was told that since yesterday alone over 200 people had called to enquire about getting passports for their children.
She was told that the consulate could do nothing to issue any passports or such until the full directives and procedural instructions were received from Jakarta.
I think that Dr. Bruce has an excellent grip on things. Some cautious optimism seems to be in order.
Matur Suksema
Bli Gede
She was told that the consulate could do nothing to issue any passports or such until the full directives and procedural instructions were received from Jakarta.
I think that Dr. Bruce has an excellent grip on things. Some cautious optimism seems to be in order.
Matur Suksema
Bli Gede