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    Check the access to your land and beware of passive/active ADAT

    7 months later Hi all, it s been 7 months since I have paid the shameful $6000 in the name of the (inexisting) adat rule that the masyarakat (local citizens) decided after I had all legal documents and agreements signed by the state and the village. So I have my IMB (building permit since...
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    COWBOYS vs COWS in paradise

    The bottom line. Absolutely, I just realize how complex intercultural/interfaith relations can be. Be careful in business and do your best to fully understand the culture/religion. If something `wrong` or unexpected happens and it is said to be in the name of the community, the only way out...
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    Check the access to your land and beware of passive/active ADAT

    The Bottom line. Know that if such experience comes to your life, the only way out is acceptance. Dedoo is right in his view of the story. It is a lack of trust, eventhough I did socialize as much as I could, some other personal experiences made theses people worried and I have to pay for the...
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    COWBOYS vs COWS in paradise

    quote: ``One is that whoever their village contact is or their land nominee is either weak or not doing their part to introduce these new people into the village environment. Another is that Liesna has also failed to extend themselves in such a manner that the village gets to know who they are...
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    Check the access to your land and beware of passive/active ADAT

    Well, yeah, I m not going to pronounce literally these words. I just mean that I will ignore their silly request and not pay. With a big smile if you wish. Saya akan cuwek saja, tidak akan bayar biaya yang tidak masuk akal. Apa lagi yang tidak ada hubungan dengan ADAT Bali yang benar.
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    Check the access to your land and beware of passive/active ADAT

    What means Passive/ active ADAT (according to the most uneducated) I think I should share the explanations that I got from some people of a village about the ADAT: -1/ Adat is passive/active , so the village make new laws when there is a new event. Like: a foreigner want to build a house...
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    Check the access to your land and beware of passive/active ADAT

    Barking dogs don t bite (I hope) You know what? I think I take this too seriously... Even the kepala desa tells me that I should feel lucky they didn t decide to charge 30 000 $ but yeah...it doesn t make no sense, their example that such and such was charged 1.5 Billion rp is stupid but, under...
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    COWBOYS vs COWS in paradise

    Sure, my words are not the whole reality just a part of it and it has its place on the internet. It is a matter of fact that most of the Balinese have a good heart and when you walk down the street, there is a good vibe. Beside this, the financial risk and security is becoming an increasing...
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    COWBOYS vs COWS in paradise

    almost 15 years of Bali and still learning Hi Sully, you can read the post: Check the access to your land and beware of passive/active ADAT Except that, I have been buying handicrafts from small villages in Indonesia since 97` and experienced the difficulties of working with the locals. In...
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    Check the access to your land and beware of passive/active ADAT

    Ripping off Seenaknya It is a disaster that I never expected. I know Bali since 15 years and I am extremely careful. I made sure that there was a road in the data of the BPN, made them come, met the neighbors, informed the kelian adat and kelian dinas about my project of building a house. Got...
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    Check the access to your land and beware of passive/active ADAT

    Dear Pete, I have checked the access as well in the BPN and discussed that with the Kelian adat and Dinas before. There were no more hidding cost to pat they said...except a usual pemopog that they couldn t calculate before we build a house....All of a sudden, the calculation came clear a...
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    COWBOYS vs COWS in paradise

    I just read an article in the Balinese magazine RADITYA no 155 (june 2010). The Journalist seems quite lucid on the situation (referring to the movie: Cowboys in paradise) and points out that everybody knows that reality and after all, except the ethical aspect and as long as there is no rape...
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    Check the access to your land and beware of passive/active ADAT

    Dear Dedoo and Robin, Thanks for your support. I don t want to name the place in detail because this might affect the reputation of their whole community and except for the 5 people i spoke about, so far, they do not deserve this. I m in, Robin, if you have a meeting, let us know. If...
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    Check the access to your land and beware of passive/active ADAT

    know your rights Hi, The main problem is the way some Balinese want to treat us with a shocking discrimination. It is an offense to the human rights of every being and I feel like my responsibility here is to let them know there are some limits, especially when they have no legal power. This...
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    Check the access to your land and beware of passive/active ADAT

    no police, no lawyer.... Some Balinese reply that the adat is above the law, so ...no police, no lawyer. the second meeting I had with them started this way: `we took a decision that we are going to read now, and you cannot negociate` (in Indonesian of course). Did I mention that the fee...
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    Check the access to your land and beware of passive/active ADAT

    Sure, I am willing to contribute and asphalt 30 meters of road that most of them use everyday to `compensate` , the little team replied that as I will also use that road, it s not fair :icon_lol: Plus I do agree on giving 100kg of rice every 6 months (cash rice of course).
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    Check the access to your land and beware of passive/active ADAT

    The limiation of the term ADAT Thanks for your support. I went to the Kantor Dinas today and they say it has nothing to do with them, they don t have such rules. It concerns the adat. For thoses who don t know: Dinas office is for matters relating the state (pemerinta) and the Adat is related...
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    Check the access to your land and beware of passive/active ADAT

    SIze of our house One more point that I forgot to mention: our permit IMB is for a `rumah tinggal` (house) of 4 bedrooms only. Not a hotel of dozens or hundreds rooms...
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    Check the access to your land and beware of passive/active ADAT

    Hi, We are a mixed couple and are having a bitter experience in a village here where we bought a land two years ago. We did process the IMB (building permit) including the signed agreement of the Kelian adat and Dinas+ the signature of the neighbors . Started the building of our dream and once...