gilbert de jong
"demands or requirements of the countries flown FROM, INTO or OVER." holy shikes:black_eyed:
emilylipp
A friend of mine experienced this with Jetstar. I'm concerned I might encounter this next year when I travel with my partner to Perth. I've always had a return ticket to Singapore to renew my visa and never had any problems but I've always travelled Garuda and I'll be going Jetstar next year (I know).
davita
For those buying airline tickets to bypass the RI requirement of onward or outward tickets, I suggest buying now. According to today's (3 Dec) Jakpost p3, the Indonesian National Air Carrier Association (INACA) has demanded the RI Govt raise the ceiling on ticket fares. The airlines are losing so much money that, without some subsidy or raising fares, there may not be any Indonesian airline flying.Qantas faces the same issue in Australia because of their policy of ownership of Australian airlines. Virgin Australia, due to its setup with Singapore Airlines is competing in a big way...despite what markit thinks of Virgin. Qantas may have to return to be a national airline owned by the Government.
songgon_lea
Can anyone confirm if my husband uses a Sosbud and one way ticked EVA air and an explenation if asked (changing to a KITAS) is acceptable?
emilylipp
Not sure songgon_lea ... however I can tell you that the friend I was talking about in my above post was travelling back to Indo on a retirement visa valid for 1 year. It's usually not possible to book airline tickets 1 year ahead (in my experience) so Jetstar were stupid to try to make her book a return ticket to Aus but, they did! They wouldn't let her board, otherwise. . :boxing:
davita
Not sure songgon_lea ... however I can tell you that the friend I was talking about in my above post was travelling back to Indo on a retirement visa valid for 1 year. It's usually not possible to book airline tickets 1 year ahead (in my experience) so Jetstar were stupid to try to make her book a return ticket to Aus but, they did! They wouldn't let her board, otherwise. . :boxing:[/QUOTE]If your friend has a Retirement Visa then it presumes a KITAS and I assume also a MERP (Multi-entry and Return Permit)...therefore, there is no need for a return ticket. I go in and out of RI on the MERP in my passport without a return ticket...no problem.Please double-check with your friend and respond, otherwise you are giving false info and scaring people...
songgon_lea
Please double-check with your friend and respond, otherwise you are giving false info and scaring people...[/QUOTE]Nah, don't worry he is big and ugly enough to look after himself...dont worry you won't scare him.But he is scared sh**less of spider.........................pussy:icon_eek:
davita
If the "Big, ugly pussy whose afraid of spiders :drunk:) is applying for a Sosbud to enter RI, it is usual for the foreign RI Embassy/Consul to see an outbound RI ticket before issue.My response to emilylipp was about a Retirement Kitas and MERP...totally different to a Sosbud visa.
songgon_lea
Sorry slightly off topic.One funny story connected to Visa's / passport stamps happened to my hubby last year.He was flying one of the company planes into Singapore for the air show.Upon arrival the crew always exits through the BAC. Using different documents. On this occasion as it was part social part business so they all arrived in casual dress. It was when he tried to go through the immigration things started to get amusing. The conversation went like this. "Passport and documents please sir"After looking twice at every page they asked again "any other documents sir"Reply. No just passport (British)"How did you get here sir""by plane"Repeated question..."how did you get here sir"Repeated answer "by plane" pointing to the jet parked outside."I will ask one more time, please explain how you got here SIR""I got onto the aero plane and flew then landed here" "Sir you are not giving the right answer""ok, you ask the right question and I will give the right answer"By now the immigration officer was getting annoyed but still being polite."how did you get into Singapore""by bloody aero plane" "explain what is the problem?""Your passport doesn't say which country you exited from""Oh now I understand, passing him a Macau ID""So your Chinese sir?""If you like, yes! Exit Macau using IBAC and ID card enter another country using a passport...that confuses the hell out of them. The rest of the crew were rolling on the floor in laughter.
emilylipp
For anyone I have scared, that wasn't my intention so I'm sorry for that. I'll also be in this situation next year when I travel back to Perth. Anyway, that was just me offering up a story that I had been told by a friend. Could be baseless, could be true. Whether it's true or not, I hope it helps you in finding the right answers. I'm just adding experiences to other peoples experiences. Funny ... was just thinking how welcoming all the members of the forum had been. I don't think there was any need to be so blunt, Davita but I will leave peacefully from this forum post. Good luck songgon_lea! :barbershop_quartet_
emilylipp
I've just checked with my friend and she confirmed. Another person in the room said it also happened to them however they were arriving on a VOA so I guess that serves an explanation and they were also flying Jetstar. Maybe Jetstar enforces it more. I also read on TripAdvisor that if someone lands in Indonesia without a proper visa and a return flight the airline is responsible for paying their return flight. Again, don't know how true that is but that might be a reason Jetstar is enforcing this... I'll be coming back on a SOSBUD so it may happen to me but fingers crossed it doesn't. I may book a cheap outgoing flight to KL or Singapore prior to. I've done that in the past.Edit: Friend has added she booked the flight for a random day a couple of months later and never used it. As long as she booked and paid, they were happy to let her go on to her destination.
BKT
I rang up Virgin Australia today and they said you don't need an exit ticket if you're on a KITAS. I didn't enquire about SOSBUD's.
davita
I've just checked with my friend and she confirmed. If your friend had an Indonesian KITAS/MERP and Jetstar refused on that issue then your friend should sue the airline for any cost or delay. It is NOT required to have an exit/return ticket if such a visa is stamped into the passport...end of story!ALL airlines are required to identify the traveler has the correct visa, and is the same for most countries. But this is NOT your friend's case...according to your post your friend HAD all the correct documentation. The airline is incorrect and your friend should make them pay. Knowing and applying one's rights is a responsibility.I don't know where you are traveling from but suggest, when you apply for the Sosbud, you have some exit ticket available otherwise the RI Embassy/Consul may not issue the Sosbud.Previously, I have been issued many Sosbuds from Canada, Hong Kong and Kuala Lumpur (RI Embassy/Consul).....and they always required to see an outbound ticket prior to issue. They didn't care the date as it is expected that extension applications will be requested. My own tickets were dateless and only on 'standby' basis but I was never rejected.
Fred2
I was on a flight from Bali to Darwin last week & was held back for 20mins while they unloaded a backpacker. He was add emit he had a visa for Australia but Airasia must be able to check. I flew from Brisbane to Bali with virgin, they said I need to buy a return ticket or I would not be allowed to fly. I had to explain that a Kitas is a permit resident visa. The law states that the airline is responsible for your return if you can not get a visa. So they want to see a return ticket.
Markit
He was add emit he had a visa for Australia but Airasia must be able to check. [/QUOTE]That's easy for you to say. But I have no clue what you mean.
davita
I don't think there was any need to be so blunt, Davita but I will leave peacefully from this forum post. [/QUOTE]I'm sorry if you find my post so blunt emilylipp but this is a serious subject and passing incorrect or misunderstood information is not helping. Immigration can also be blunt and so can airline check-in when the incorrect documentation or visa is presented, as evidenced by previous posts to this thread.I apologise if I corrected serious misinformation....when you thought you were passing information to members which 'could be baseless, could be true'.
davita
Fred 2......like markit I also don't understand...can you clarify please.1. Did the backpacker have the required visa to enter Australia?2. Did Virgin accept your explanation of your Kitas or did you have to buy a return ticket?btw I'm not so sure it is a 'law' but it's a requirement (when a country authorizes an airline to operate) that airlines accept the responsibility to return a traveler who clearly did not have correct documentation. On the other hand...when you buy a ticket you agree to absolve the airline of that responsibility....read the small print on the ticket, or the ticked box explanation if bought over the internet. The airlines often charge the individual for the return ticket....if they can!
joji gulapetis
That's easy for you to say. But I have no clue what you mean.[/QUOTE]Maybe he meant "adamant" but the spell check took over. :topsy_turvy:
davita
Maybe he meant "adamant" but the spell check took over. :topsy_turvy:[/QUOTE]Good explanation Joji...I can go to sleep now as my brain was churning....why would a backpacker, wanting entry to OZ, be needing to 'add a mint' to his visa?:icon_wink:or was he rejected because of bad breath!
Fred2
Fred 2......like markit I also don't understand...can you clarify please.1. Did the backpacker have the required visa to enter Australia?2. Did Virgin accept your explanation of your Kitas or did you have to buy a return ticket?btw I'm not so sure it is a 'law' but it's a requirement (when a country authorizes an airline to operate) that airlines accept the responsibility to return a traveler who clearly did not have correct documentation. On the other hand...when you buy a ticket you agree to absolve the airline of that responsibility....read the small print on the ticket, or the ticked box explanation if bought over the internet. The airlines often charge the individual for the return ticket....if they can![/QUOTE]1. There was a group of 4 or 5 backpackers, the plane was fully loaded & ready to close the door. Airasia staff came on & told one of them that he did not have a visa for Australia. He got upset & then said he had a old passport & the visa may be on that passport. The staff radio the office, while we were waiting the other backpackers started up a bit saying that they all received the visa's at the same time. Then they started saying that he should be able to fly & they would sort it when they arrive in Australia.The message came back that the new passport number gave did not have a visa attached. We then had to wait for his bags to be off loaded. Most of the others we complaining to the staff, saying he should have been allow to stay on.2. Virgin wanted me to buy a full ticket & then apply for a refund later. After showing the boss all my documents she said that she only new of VOA & all people that go to Bali have a return ticket. I have never been asked by any other airline to see a return ticket.Hope that explains, sorry for the spelling, 13hr shifts are killing me in this heat.
