joji gulapetis
Seems they are not only teed into your electricity, but your water as well (hot water at that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).Even if teed into your (hot) water alone - this doesnt not account for the size of your electricity bill. As someone suggests , turn of the little blue circuit breaker (at the bottom of your meter) at night time and see if the neighbours power goes out.If you turn this breaker of and then your meter should stop spinning around (the 2 are directly connected and selaed with a PLN seal). The fact that this stops spinning around when you turn that breaker off is NOT an indication they are NOT stealing power - as you may be blacking them out at the same time.But if they are smart, they will only be using this stolen power for their power circuits and not their lighting - in which case you wont see a change. Just wait until your fridge is empty and nothing can spoil, and go away for a day trip and turn you power off for the entire day at the circuit breaker i mentioned. When you get back check if they have been over to turn it back on.Better still, unplug all your precious aplliances, then go and toggle that circuit breaker....on / off / on / off / on / off / on /off......you'll soon fry the neighbours fridge and aircon compressors, and maybe even a few other favourites. Do it long anough and youmight even take out their pool pump (make sure yours is unplugged first)You could always just go and politely ask them if yous are sharing power and hot water - and if so - who is paying for it all. I'd opt for total destruction of their appliances.[/QUOTE]Hinakos, you are an evil minded man! A dastardly fellow! A blighter of the lowest ilk! A brigand!!! A worthy proponent of the evil arts!! I love it!!!!! Do it Lea!:topsy_turvy:
Lea
Hinakos, I have just copied and pasted your post to my husband who works in Mongolia...I am still laughing at your post...They built the villa we are renting for a short term holiday accommodation, but failed miserably, so decidedto try their luck at yearly rentals...If I find out we are paying for their electricity and water how long in Kerobokan do you get for assault..??I will be turning the breaker off tonight...STAY TUNED...
davita
Heh! hinakos...my friggin pool pump just blew up...don't listen to joji and lea..they are rebels attempting to overthrow my regime.:love_heart:
Lea
I am only doing it cause Joji told me toooooo..!!!
Smoke
I am only doing it cause Joji told me toooooo..!!![/QUOTE] that is the way push the blame to someone else :icon_e_wink:
lumumba
((then go and toggle that circuit breaker....on / off / on / off / on / off / on /off......you'll soon fry the neighbours fridge and aircon compressors, and maybe even a few other favourites))Nothing will happen
alex margou
((then go and toggle that circuit breaker....on / off / on / off / on / off / on /off......you'll soon fry the neighbours fridge and aircon compressors, and maybe even a few other favourites))Nothing will happen[/QUOTE]Except, perhaps, that you might bugger the circuit breaker and then have to call an electrician to fit a new one!
ferdie
Lea, Alex is right.Just call the electrician and track back the electricity wires starting from the meter.Also, I support hinakos for total destruction, but I think it only happens on the cartoon nowadays:beaten:
joji gulapetis
Lea, if you are hooked up in tandem with your landlord/lady, ask your "landlord/lady" for a copy of their electricity bills for the past 6 months, then compare to the amount of the electricity bills since you moved in. Your consumption will be the increase in the power bill. So that is what you should pay. They have no comeback because the evidence is there for all to see. Then ask for a new meter to be hooked up exclusively for your use. :topsy_turvy:
Markit
I don't get a bill here as have the new meter with credit card. If you have a bill here Lea it must have some reference to kilowatt usage or some such - compare that to what's on the meter.
davita
Lea, do your boys do Physics in school?Here's some homework for them - maybe they can do it when they're not in the spa![I]Physics/maths Home Work:A cow has a supply of cold water at 20C and wants to heat it to 35C to wash her hair. She needs 20 litres of water to do this (she's a big cow!). How much will this cost to heat the water electrically?Facts needed - specific heat of water is 4.186 kJ/kgC - 1 litre of water at 20C has mass 0.998 kg - price of electricity is Rp.1,060 per kWh.[/I][/QUOTE]The cow was on heat and had a male bull visitor.....they wallowed around for a while and generated enough static that converted thro' the wire fence...it ended back into the grid and the farmer got a rebate. A win/win situatian.Meanwhile, the cow and bull farted...creating methane gas which was collected and is currently driving the turbines of an Aircraft Carrier.
Lea
Have done both tests...Waited until dark then turned off blue breaker circuit and their outside lights stayed on...I turned everything off in the house and the meter stopped turning around...The only one left is the on/off on/off ...not sure if I have the courage for that one...!!
hinakos
Hi Lea,Dont do the on / off / on / off..... You should only do this after you had confirmed his lights went out when you turned off the blue switch directly under the meter. That way you'd know you would definitely be spiking him. Like Alex says ther is a chance you could trash your switch too.So maybe the neighbour is smart and is only using your electricity for his power / pool pump, aircons etc (so you wont know if you trip your power out to see if his power goes out by monitoring his lights) - but unlikely as you say you unplugged everything in your house, and the meter stopped - Was the blue switch back on when you did this (sorry had to ask)? Also possible that just their pool pump could be connected but the timer for it off when you did your test so the disk in your meter wouldnt spin anyway. You'll need to do this "switch off test" at different times of the day to be certain. Make sure your fave appliances switched off when playing with that blue switch.ORHe is just using your water, but copius amounts of it (hot AND cold). Its wierd they came over to tell you to stop using the spa. Also coincidental that you say earlier your pump is always on. Maybe its always on as they are always taking your water. Even so thats a hell of a lot of power to use.This being the case...then all the way back to your original idea would work - install a switch on the pump - and ony switch it on when you want to use it.The neighbours will soon be over enquiring.You can still take all the goodies out of your freezer and and just completely shut the power down for a day, and go somewhere for 12 hours and see what they say when you get back. Other options are PLN is ripping you by pulling figures out of their bum, or you have a partial short to ground somewhere (usually evidenced by massive bills when it rains and wires starting shorting to ground in the wet). You could use a good sparky.........and they are kind of rare here.
joji gulapetis
The cow was on heat and had a male bull visitor.....they wallowed around for a while and generated enough static that converted thro' the wire fence...it ended back into the grid and the farmer got a rebate. A win/win situatian.Meanwhile, the cow and bull farted...creating methane gas which was collected and is currently driving the turbines of an Aircraft Carrier.[/QUOTE]A cow has a supply of cold water at 20C and wants to heat it to 35C to wash her hair. She needs 20 litres of water to do this (she's a big cow!). How much will this cost to heat the water electrically?[/QUOTE]We seem to be getting into the subject of bovine economics here. Here is how i see it:- Subject: Bovine Economics as practiced by various parties and nations.> Bovine Economics: A Lesson In Political Science> DEMOCRATIC> You have two cows.> Your neighbor has none.> You feel guilty for being successful.> Barbara Streisand sings for you.> REPUBLICAN> You have two cows.> Your neighbor has none.> So?> SOCIALIST> You have two cows.> The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.> You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his cow.>> COMMUNIST> You have two cows.> The government seizes both and provides you with milk.> You wait in line for hours to get it.> It is expensive and sour.> CAPITALISM, AMERICAN STYLE> You have two cows.> You sell one, buy a bull, and build a herd of cows.> BUREAUCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE> You have two cows.> Under the new farm program the government pays you to shoot one, milk the> other, and then pours the milk down the drain.> AMERICAN CORPORATION> You have two cows.> You sell one, lease it back to yourself and do an IPO on the 2nd one.> You force the two cows to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised> when one cow drops dead. You spin an announcement to the analysts stating> you have downsized and are reducing expenses.> Your stock goes up.> FRENCH CORPORATION> You have two cows.> You go on strike because you want three cows.> You go to lunch and drink wine.> Life is good.> JAPANESE CORPORATION> You have two cows.> You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and> produce twenty times the milk.> They learn to travel on unbelievably crowded trains.> Most are at the top of their class at cow school.> GERMAN CORPORATION> You have two cows.> You engineer them so they are all blond, drink lots of beer, give excellent quality milk, and run a hundred miles an hour.> Unfortunately they also demand 13 weeks of vacation per year.> ITALIAN CORPORATION> You have two cows but you don't know where they are.> While ambling around, you see a beautiful woman.> You break for lunch.> Life is good.> RUSSIAN CORPORATION> You have two cows.> You have some vodka.> You count them and learn you have five cows.> You have some more vodka.> You count them again and learn you have 42 cows.> The Russian Mafia shows up and takes over however many cows you really have.> TALIBAN CORPORATION> You have all the cows in Afghanistan, which are two.> You don't milk them because you cannot touch any creature's private parts.> You get a $40 million grant from the US government to find alternatives to> milk production but use the money to buy weapons.> IRAQI CORPORATION> You have two cows.> They go into hiding.> They send radio tapes of their mooing.> POLISH CORPORATION> You have two bulls.> Employees are regularly maimed and killed attempting to milk them.> BELGIAN CORPORATION> You have one cow.> The cow is schizophrenic.> Sometimes the cow thinks he's French, other times he's Flemish.> The Flemish cow won't share with the French cow.> The French cow wants control of the Flemish cow's milk.> The cow asks permission to be cut in half.> The cow dies happy.> FLORIDA CORPORATION> You have a black cow and a brown cow.> Everyone votes for the best looking one.> Some of the people who actually like the brown one best> accidentally vote for the black one.> Some people vote for both. Some people vote for neither.> Some people can't figure out how to vote at all.> Finally, a bunch of guys from out-of-state tell you which one you think> is the best-looking cow.> CALIFORNIA CORPORATION> You have millions of cows.> They make real California cheese.> Only five speak English. Most are illegals.> Arnold likes the ones with the big udders[ATTACH]1645.vB[/ATTACH]:topsy_turvy:
alex margou
Have done both tests...Waited until dark then turned off blue breaker circuit and their outside lights stayed on...I turned everything off in the house and the meter stopped turning around...The only one left is the on/off on/off ...not sure if I have the courage for that one...!![/QUOTE]OK Lea, so you turned all your appliances off and the meter stopped. This proves that you weren't giving free juice to any one at that time. Hinakos makes a good point that maybe the juice thieves were not actually at it when you did your test.Clutching at straws here Lea - but maybe the problem is with the bill rather than with the actual electrical set-up you have. Also, the cow-the boys-the spa, and the hair-wash (Good title for a film about life in Bali!) is still an unanswered mystery. So, although it's maybe a silly question, is your bill for 3.5 million a standard bill based on 2 meter readings, looking perhaps a bit like this (click on the photo to make it bigger):[ATTACH]1644.vB[/ATTACH]Does your bill show 2 meter readings and the dates when the meter was read? Does the bill also show what TARIF/DAYA you are on? In this example the TARIF is R1 and the max power is 2200VA = 2.2 kW.Do you agree with the readings? What was the latest reading shown on your bill and how does that compare with the reading now today?Electricity here is sold by PLN at a range of different prices depending on what TARIF you are on - the bigger the TARIF the more expensive the juice is.Cheers!PS Extra thought/question -- how do you get the bill? Do you pick it up somewhere? Does someone bring it to you? How?
Lea
TARIF IS B27700 VAOwner of villa hand delivers to me each month..Are we any closer to solving this problem...??
Markit
One final suggestion and them I'm off. I built a house - contractor got a good friend to do the electrics whose only experience of electricity was working in an electric supply shop. When house was finished every conceivable metal object was at about 100 - 200V AC. After repairing everything and redoing the electrics (the horror stories I could tell) was standing in the utility room through whose floor the earth ground went (large copper spear with attendant cable going the house earth/ground/null whatever you call it). It being a coolish morning here in Bali I was idly wondering why my feet were so warm when I realized that the ground cable was also live - that meant that my very expensive electricity bought from PLN was willy-nilly going to ground with only the rest of the house keeping the "short" from blowing my fuses (I'm guessing now) and heating my concrete floor to a toasty level. Moral of story - it may just me a shitty ground that is leaking your juice and not any devious neighbors. Get an electrician (or someone that has worked in a electric supply shop - same thing here on Bali) to see if when everything in your house is disconnected - pull the plugs out, ground cable is still live or even warm. Lotsa luck
davita
TARIF IS B27700 VAOwner of villa hand delivers to me each month..Are we any closer to solving this problem...??[/QUOTE]If your meter tariff is B2 you are on a Business Tariff and not a Residential Tariff...you need to talk to the owner and sort that out.A normal Residence Tariff for 7.7KW should be R3 which is no longer subsidized. BTW, expect another increase in all bills, above 900Watt supply, at the end of this month.A blue C/B beneath the meter denotes 35amp max safety, which is correct for your 7.7KW supply. If you ever exceed 35amps that C/B will trip.If you switch that C/B OFF....all power to your house should be disconnected...nothing should work. Then, if the meter still continues to change its reading, you need an electrician.
hinakos
im wondering if your landlord also has relatives living close to you that may be sharing the water (and hot water) therefore your water heater may never be off. be interesting to know how big the element is in your hot water system (watts), and also the size of your water pump (either in amps "A" or watts "w") Also wondering what your pool pump timer setting are. how many hours per day is this on. Ask your pool man to get these details for you if possible. Also ask him to get the size of the hot water system and pump for you (if you can get the message through to him). I have a 3 bed 3 bath villa with a 3.5 x 9m pool and water purification system - average bills when villa is using all rooms / aircons are around 1.1 mill a month (5500w meter) - but I do have cheap hot water from my reverse cycle aircon water hater and also all LED low wattage lighting.
alex margou
TARIF IS B27700 VAOwner of villa hand delivers to me each month..Are we any closer to solving this problem...??[/QUOTE]What is the difference between the 2 meter readings taken 1 month apart, in kWh? How much is the PPJ? How much is the BIAYA BEBAN?
