Markit
[ATTACH]1507.vB[/ATTACH]This for sure won't give CanonMan a stiffy but nevertheless I think is a reason for some back-slapping and general jubilation. Why? Because this is a picture of the plastic recycling depot in Jasri a small village on the south end of Amlapura. As you can see the locals have bought into it and are doing what needs to be done - all we need to worry about now is that the buyers keep up the good work and keep coming. Prices have to be maintained too - for instance they are "only" paying 2000 Rupiah per kilo and if you've followed the story the factory that turns this into palettes for industry is paying 6000 at the factory gate so the locals are getting screwed but that's as it always has been and probably will be. But they are happy with their money and if in future they want more then there's nothing stopping them delivering it themselves to the factor is there?
BKT
These plastic recycling depots make squat. My wife's cousin owns one in Singaraja as a side business. He told me theres just not enough plastic being recycled to make a decent turn over. I'm guessing this is the reason they're only offering 2,000 per kg.
mat
These plastic recycling depots make squat. My wife's cousin owns one in Singaraja as a side business. He told me theres just not enough plastic being recycled to make a decent turn over. I'm guessing this is the reason they're only offering 2,000 per kg.[/QUOTE]Hey, where in Singaraja? None of the people round my way have heard of it. Maybe if more people knew about it business would improve.
Markit
These plastic recycling depots make squat. My wife's cousin owns one in Singaraja as a side business. He told me theres just not enough plastic being recycled to make a decent turn over. I'm guessing this is the reason they're only offering 2,000 per kg.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I may have not made this clear - this isn't a separate business but is run by the banjar/government and the plastic collected is for the palette construction company recently featured:[url=http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/12/12/us10-million-investment-plastic-recycling-factory-bali.html]US$10 million investment in plastic recycling factory in Bali | The Jakarta Post[/url]"From small acorns do large oak trees grow!"So I'm hoping is does actually mean "squat".
BKT
Hey, where in Singaraja? None of the people round my way have heard of it. Maybe if more people knew about it business would improve.[/QUOTE]Do you have a garbage man in your area?. We have a guy who comes in on a bike every few days and sorts out all of the plastic from the garbage, friendly guy. I was under the impression all areas here had guys like these.
ferdie
Good news for Bali, but Markit in the Post article, they only pay 500 per kilo for the plastic, they might find some problem collecting the plastic with a low rate like that
tintin
Great project! "It will require at least 30 tons of plastic waste a day to produce shipping pallets." And what happens to these pallets? They will be shipped all around the world. In other words, Bali's self-made environmental problem will be spread evenly over the rest of the world. Thank you Bali.:highly_amused::highly_amused::highly_amused:
joji gulapetis
Great project! "It will require at least 30 tons of plastic waste a day to produce shipping pallets." And what happens to these pallets? They will be shipped all around the world. In other words, Bali's self-made environmental problem will be spread evenly over the rest of the world. Thank you Bali.:highly_amused::highly_amused::highly_amused:[/QUOTE]Ahhh tintin, living in Amer Ika has strange effects on ppl, you understanding of pollution astounds me. Which would you prefer? Hundreds, thousands, or even tens of thousands pcs of discarded plastic wrappers and containers being buried as landfill, or being burned, or polluting the rivers and oceans, or having them formed into a pallet which can be used and re-used many2 times over, and 30 tons of pallets each day saving how many trees from being converted into pallets? So in fact, Bali's "self made environmental solution" will help save the forests in places all over the world. :topsy_turvy:
Rangi
So in fact, Bali's "self made environmental solution" will help save the forests in places all over the world. :topsy_turvy:[/QUOTE]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/TheDropper/34ha0qv.gif[/IMG]
mat
Do you have a garbage man in your area?. We have a guy who comes in on a bike every few days and sorts out all of the plastic from the garbage, friendly guy. I was under the impression all areas here had guys like these.[/QUOTE]Yes we have a garbage guy with a 3 wheeler motorbike, who we pay every month. Those that don't pay dump their rubbish by the sea. In the villages nobody pays and they dump their rubbish wherever. I see guys recycling card, glass and metal but no one seems to be doing the plastic. In fact there are piles of it all around. If I knew where the recycling center was and what they paid I could pass it on to a few locals who may want to take advantage of it.
rossr
I think this is a great start - I live in a small village in east bali also and have tried several approaches to influence the practice o throwing plastic bags on the ground - that end up clogging waterways and out to ocean. we have the technology to re-cycle plastic however it is a more of a cultural change/economic reality process that is needed at a local level. I think Jasri should be congratulated and encouraged. At the present, I take my plastic (anything recyclable actually) to Pak Andy's business - take Jl Pemelisan off Jl Bypass Nugah Rai and you'll find him just before the tip -they welcome any sorted or unsorted stuff. Also worth looking at this site for ideas.
rossr
I think this is a great start - I live in a small village in east bali also and have tried several approaches to influence the practice o throwing plastic bags on the ground - that end up clogging waterways and out to ocean. we have the technology to re-cycle plastic however it is a more of a cultural change/economic reality process that is needed at a local level. I think Jasri should be congratulated and encouraged. At the present, I take my plastic (anything recyclable actually) to Pak Andy's business - take Jl Pemelisan off Jl Bypass Nugah Rai and you'll find him just before the tip -they welcome any sorted or unsorted stuff. Also worth looking at Waste for life for ideas
ferdie
Recently watched a Japanese innovator that creates a small machine that transforms plastic into an liquid oil that can be used like a kerosene or minyak tanah.Don't know whether it is technically correct or not or whether it can be used efficiently or not, but he was saying that he already brought the machine to Philippine and somewhere in Africa. If it can be used here, I think a lot of Balinese would love to use that machine because a lot of them prefer the old kerosene stove than the new subsidized 3 kilos LPG and the plastic waste will be reduced!I wish it is here already, can't find the details about the Japanese scientist in the program yet, but I'll try looking for more info about him or the Japanese University that developed that machine:icon_e_geek:
Markit
If it's the same one that I saw it took about as much energy (electric) to turn the plastic (very sorted), which originally came from oil, back into oil. So for a developing world scenario it makes much more sense to just use the electric to do whatever instead of using it to turn plastic into oil and then using that make work. Would be interesting to see if it's the same process.
ferdie
Markit: Maybe its the same, I saw it on Alam TVI didn't know whether it is efficient enough to produce more oil economically than the cost for the energy for the process.I wish I can see more info about itBut it also has a side effect of reducing the plastic waste which could easily win my attentionThere's always a trade off about recycling things, but for Balinese, oil appeals more than some rupiah for a kilo of plastic
joji gulapetis
One of the problems with the BLEST CORP process cannot handle PET, of which all the mineral water bottles are made, and PVC, which is made into hundreds of products which we use every day. So only PP, PE, and PS can be processed using their machine. This is only a very partial solution (but is better than none at all maybe).
SHoggard
PET is one of the easiest packaging plastics to recycle,Assume it is clear (& not tinted) basically its not much more complicated than washing is, grinding it into pellets and it can be re-used in a bottle blower (with an R-PET hopper attached - Japanese company Aoki do them)... ok maybe its a little more complex but no real 'rocket-science chemistry' involved.Of course the product can't be used for beverages (not food-safe - some of those Aqua bottles will have been reused for kerosine or other poisons) and that's the problem, because without proper supervision there will always be some character willing to take a chanceNB: Bottles shouldn't be tinted, because like mixing colours in a kiddies paint set, if you mix 7Up green with blue-tinted water bottles etc etc - then you get black... but rethinking the above paragraph, maybe black would be a good colour for non food-grade recycled PET.IF you want to take it a stage further & get the chemistry-set out from under the bed, PET can be turned into polyester thread & make carpets & clothes.... In the UK Marks&Spencer had a sign above a rack of office-quality men's pants that read "Made from 100% recycled PET bottles"
ferdie
Joji: is that the name of the Jap's company?I agree with Shoggard : PET and PVC has it economical values, since a lot of people recycled them into various product.I met a lot of pemulung back in Jakarta and they always look for the bottles and pipes and discard the plastic bags and plastic wrappings that the machine could process
joji gulapetis
Yes ferdie, google the Blest Corporation, and see all their into. It looks legit, it may be legit. I have asked them the prices of their machines but they just put me onto their english website. It looks interesting, but they still don't mention the cost of producing one litre of "oil". Here is one for you technical types. They did mention that "refining" the oil running cost was 3.6KWh/20l/hr. How much would that be in Rp? [url=http://www.blest.co.jp/seihin-4english.html]Blest.co.Ltd., "BOR-20"[/url]Yes, the pemulung in jkta do look for the pet and pvc sampan. I know the recycled pet is mixed with new pet and recycled into "new" pet bottles which are then used for the cheaper mineral water producers. But in Jkta the prices the pemulung get for their pet is around Rp.4000 per kg. Is this price possible in Bali? The company that makes the plastic pallets only pays Rp.500 per kg which is completely unfeasible. One solution would be for the Govt. to subsidise the pemulung in Bali by making up the difference between the company price and the "layak" price for the pemulung to collect the bottles.
ferdie
The rate for electricity from PLN is different for every segment, it started from Rp 629/kwh for the sosial segment untill Rp1215/Kwh for the business segmentSo the maximum rate would be around Rp 44000 for 20 lt/hour --> Rp2200/hour?I think its is still economical for BaliI didn't have a technical degree so i'm just guessing, LOLAnd about the rate from that company for Rp 500? Already posted my opinion that it was too low and won't encourage anyone to supply them with a steady flow of plastic, but who knows, maybe the pemulung feels differently :devilish:
