Bali Pre-Fabber
Hello to everyone, I'm hoping someone will have experience in the area that I am interested in.I've read the previous posts about "wooden houses" which seemed to lead to some controversy and had a few interesting tit bits, but haven't seen anything specific to my enquiry.I live in Brisbane, Australia, and am exploring the possibility of importing from Bali a pre-fabricated timber house. Why do this? Because there is the possibility of getting high-quality workmanship, using timbers and other materials, at less price than it would cost in Australia. I know there are factors to consider like "how durable would the timbers be in the Queensland climate", "finding a good business in Bali to work with", etc etc.What I am looking for is someone who has knowledge of this industry who might be able to tell me how it works in reality. I've done a thorough search of the internet and (I believe) identified the players, although there may be others. Of all the companies I have emailed, I've only heard back from one so far. It would be great to hear from anyone who has first hand experience in this area.I doesn't seem that too many people have done this (imported a house to Queensland), although I know it has been done to other areas e.g. between Bali and Hawaii. Are there any builders out there who would be interested in talking further about the possibility of working with the Balinese manufacturers and the Australian builder who would assemble the house? Or to put forward ideas of how it might best work to ensure the right product is built and shipped? I could see this builder might also assist interpreting the Qld building code regulations for the development of the plans and building work in Bali, for example.It's all a new area for me and I am on a learning curve, but if anyone is interested in this or has some info, I'd love to hear from you.JakePS House doesn't necessarily have to be 100% timber - it may be that elements are provided in Oz (e.g. concrete components) - open to ideas.
Peter Ka
Wow. you are asking for someone to hand over their hard earned knowledge of a business. Are you willing to pay for it? There are several companies here in Bali who do exactly what you want to do.
kiwi
Compliance with the Australia Building Codes could be an issue, I am not sure if houses come under the same rules as the commercial tanks I deal in but we have to allow for cyclonic conditions (wind loadings) in different areas. Bali because of it's location is not exposed to cyclones and the houses certainly are not built for them.There are a number of companies importing the bales from Bali and some interior parts but not full houses.Good luck with your venture
mat
Pretty simple. Just get some plans together. Bring them here and find a wood worker. [there are very many very skilled with wood here all over Indonesia]. Strike a deal. Get the plans made up and ship back home. My advice would be, just give it a go. The selling is the hardest thing. Getting well made is easy.
SHoggard
Wow. you are asking for someone to hand over their hard earned knowledge of a business. Are you willing to pay for it? There are several companies here in Bali who do exactly what you want to do.[/QUOTE] Peter, I think he's asking to be put in touch with a trustworthy company he can buy ONE house from (he's only had one reply from his emails) .... not actually start a business exporting to Australia
Peter Ka
SHoggard, my bad. You are right.
spicyayam
Because there is the possibility of getting high-quality workmanship, using timbers and other materials, at less price than it would cost in Australia.[/QUOTE]If not done right, I imagine it might end up costing you more. I think you would still need to have an Australian builder/architect involved. Perhaps someone who is interested in Bali and can incorporate Balinese design elements into the house. The timber anyway comes I think from Kalimantan. Maybe you could look into importing timber directly. Probably not easy.Found this company in Google which you may have already come across:[URL]http://www.tropicalbuildings.com[/URL]
balidavo
[b]some points to consider ....,[/b]- each piece of timber used would need to be strength rated in australia before it could be used , - also fumigated for pest to satisfy the australian authorities , - as kiwi mentioned - compliant with the building code , which varies greatly from area to area . - fixings -ie; nails and bolts and screws etc also need to be complient to australian standards. - pre-fab homes would need to be altered from the plan as most clients want variations to whats available , - shipping is a huge expensive factor , - reliability on delivering the finished product on schedual for the builder to contruct for the client - deliveries cannot have holdups including special orders . In oz time is money - and lots of it.- import tax and stamp duty .Australia mostly uses sustainable pine especially farmed and harvested for the purpose of construction , Indonesia doesnt .
Bali Pre-Fabber
[b]Thanks[/b]Hi again everyoneThanks for taking the time to send me this info. I've come across an Australian guy working in Bali doing exactly this (retail e.g. resorts and private homes). I appreciate you raising the sorts of things I will need to keep in mind. Things like the building standards are obvious but one person mentioned timber has to be stress tested in Australia (not sure if that is right or whether if it is rated to certain requirements that is sufficient) - but all good stuff, gives me things to think about and check out this end.Part of the approach is to have your Australian builder go to Bali when they disassemble the house (for reassembly again in Oz) to get up to speed on the assembly process. You'd have your builder involved the whole way through as well to reduce risk of "surprises", of course.There don't seem to be many people actually doing this, although it has been done before. If anyone wants to contact me further down the track I can let you know how I get on!Thanks again,Jake
crosskeyscottage
[b]Wooden house builder/manufacturer[/b]We are having built several lodges at this very moment. We looked around at many manufacturers, be careful what you believe! Having actually vistied many of them, some dont get back to you or even send a promised quote and if they don't even take you to their factory, forget it!We chose a company out of Sanur in the end. to date, they have been great. The owners are extremely knowledgable about all timbers, etc etc. far more than anyone else we came across. We now live here in Bali and have known them for several months now. One of the owners seems to be a highly influential person, is head of different trade bodies in Bali, does speeches etc to and for the national and international governments and for us he has been extremely helpful and accommodating. He also is heavily involved in export. Maybe he will tick all the boxes for you. If you want further info, let us know and we can pass you his details. We have found them to be very proffessional, genuine and honest people and would definately recommend them.
SHoggard
If you want further info, let us know and we can pass you his details. We have found them to be very proffessional, genuine and honest people and would definately recommend them.[/QUOTE]Hi, sent you a pm
Quest
Hi Jake,How are you progressing? I'm keen to hear from your experiences.
Dunaden
I know this is an old thread, but, Crosskey, I'd like to know of this builder if you wouldn't mind sending me the details.As for "bali Pre Fabber"- getting "your builder to go to Bali", I think you'll have to find a young 'go-getter' in that department as I've built half a dozen houses in Aus, and I find asking a builder to meet you for a coffee "hard work" let alone convincing one to get on a plane!I'm actually stuck with a block of land near Mt Gambier in S.A. which I'm thinking of building kithomes on(have approval for 5 units), so your idea may have potential, but the whole 'wood treatment' and then getting an aussie builder part concern me...alot.
crosskeyscottage
[B]Actually, Dunaden, we wouldn't recommended him to a dead dog![/B] We did finish our project and it is working extremely well but no thanks to him, his scams, his quality of work and the apathy of his workers...do you get my drift? Its complicated as it generally is and not over by any means! The only contractor that truely impressed us in quality of work never even came back to us as they were too busy building Richard Bransons house for export to Necker Island. We never even got to the stage of costings, obviously they had too much work to cope with. If you find anyone (we went to many) we would be happy to give feedback if we dealt with them at all. This is by no means our first development, some of which have been in the multi million $ bracket, but this is the first in Asia so we are not greenby any means. Get everything down to the quality of the nail listed when you find someone and good luck! ANYONE BUILDING USING A BUILDING CONTRACTOR FROM HERE IN BALI, TAKE NOTE......and happy to give any help or advice to anyone out there planning to build
Gail E
[b]Prefab / Kitset cottages - for us in NZ[/b]We are having built several lodges at this very moment. We looked around at many manufacturers, be careful what you believe! Having actually vistied many of them, some dont get back to you or even send a promised quote and if they don't even take you to their factory, forget it!We chose a company out of Sanur in the end. to date, they have been great. The owners are extremely knowledgable about all timbers, etc etc. far more than anyone else we came across. We now live here in Bali and have known them for several months now. One of the owners seems to be a highly influential person, is head of different trade bodies in Bali, does speeches etc to and for the national and international governments and for us he has been extremely helpful and accommodating. He also is heavily involved in export. Maybe he will tick all the boxes for you. If you want further info, let us know and we can pass you his details. We have found them to be very proffessional, genuine and honest people and would definately recommend them.[/QUOTE]
Gail E
Good MorningI have just joined this forum as we would like to purchase two x 1 bdrm Bali style cottages and send them in kitset form to put together as part of our plans for our new home in Auckland, New Zealand. I have plans drawn up, we have the Planning Consents from our Local Government, now we just need someone to complete the plans to ensure structural integrity (we live in a high wind zone by the sea) and supply the cottages. We have booked to come over to Bali in early August for 2 weeks to try and sort this out. I have contacted a number of companies advertising such services on the internet and are awaiting responses. I would be really appreciative if you provide any info as a result of your experience - and anyone else that has any suggestions for a reputable organisation to supply these.
DavePrefab
[b]Prefab extension[/b]Hi Jake,I'm considering importing a prefab extension from Bali/Java to Melbourne. Wondering how you go with your project. Would you like to share your experience?Thanks for your help.CheersDave
DavePrefab
Hi Jake,I'm considering importing a prefab extension from Bali/Java to Melbourne. Wondering how you go with your project. Would you like to share your experience?Thanks for your help.CheersDave
Markit
You might want to talk to GailE as I know she got her project done and dusted with a New Zealand import.
Gail E
Hi Dave,Apologies for the tardiness in replying - only get time on Sunday as we're in the midst of building!! We are going to be bringing in two Bali cottages linked with kitchen and bathroom (65m2) to NZ - probably later this year. It is not a quick process, so hope you have lots of patience!! Also we have to get them engineered and designed to meet NZ standards, which will be similar for Australia. It is also not cheap - will probably be more expensive than building in Aust/NZ -so it's all quite difficult and expensive, but think the result will be fantastic.We have a final design, subject to any changes required for NZ authorities,- now trying to find an engineer in NZ (again expensive, as mainly softwood/pine framing vs hardwood framing) so a one off for them. Once we have the engineer, our architect will work with the engineer to finalise Building Consent drawings - another coupla months then that will go back to Bali to update the final plans. We haven't finalised our supplier, but are close. We have continued working with Tropical Buildings(Mark), Adi (Daijaya) and Dani (Bali Prefab). Have found everyone very helpful, but they're all busy and of course there is a time difference. So process is Bali Design (may need to pay for conceptual design), home country engineering and design to meet home country building codes, Bali design adjustment, final Bill of Materials, construct, deconstruct, ship. Helpful if you have someone in Bali that can review the build process. Also be aware of home country duties, taxes etc (NZ 5% duty, plus 15% GST) fumigation requirements for timber, shipping costs (approx $1900US 20ft container from Bali to Surabaya, then the same again to NZ, packing costs etc. We went to Bali and interviewed 5 potential suppliers - see below - cancelled a coupla others due to time constraints[email]adi@dadijaya.com[/email], (Adi) , [email]ian@naturalhousebali.com[/email], (Ian) [email]baliprefab@gmail.com[/email] (Dani) [email]contact@baliwoodworks.com[/email] (May), [email]mark@tropicalbuildings.com[/email]If you want to send me a private msg with your email address, I will send you all the contact details that I have in a spreadsheet.
