Easiest and safest why of owning property in Bali

gilbert de jong

@hanzrobby.."one of you guys should"...ehm, should do what? as for not understanding things...if you cant google it, just ask..no worries :) @balidavo, thanks for the thumb up..me personally I do that, it keeps me connected with alot that is going on in the village and neigboring villages.. it takes only 20 minutes a week, another 'plus' whenever some surat is needed (be it for imigrasi, polisi whatever) they never stall the proces or costs any extra money. another good tip (imho) is the local warung...just sit down there, drink the kopi bali or whatever...and chitchat with the folks.

Barekarma

Balidavo, "so RT is the official title for this the man , and the rt would report to the rw ." Errr.... can you explain what 'rt' and the 'rw' stand for both me and, I suspect, hanzrobby. Bahasa Indonesian is a language that is full of very long words (so like German!), and I am aware lots are reduced to a few letters, so some help would be appreciated. Reading text messages from local Indonesian's is a language skill in it's own right. Thanks, Barekarma

balidavo

Barekarma wroteBalidavo, "so RT is the official title for this the man , and the rt would report to the rw ." Errr.... can you explain what 'rt' and the 'rw' stand for both me and, I suspect, hanzrobby. Bahasa Indonesian is a language that is full of very long words (so like German!), and I am aware lots are reduced to a few letters, so some help would be appreciated. Reading text messages from local Indonesian's is a language skill in it's own right. Thanks, Barekarma

rt - rumah tangga , takes care of no more than about 50 households rw- rumah wargga , may have many rts reporting to him and has a few hundred house holds . ...., but in bali these official positions are handled by responsible members within the banjars , working on behalf of the government. the RW ( rumah wargga) is not to be confused with a " RM" ( rumah makan = restraunt ) that has a sign out front that reads "RW" ....., as this sign would mean the restraunt serves [U]Dog[/U] on the menu :icon_eek: Im not sure what the RW stands for in this case ...., maybe rumah woof-woof ? :highly_amused: - sorry to hijack the thread , as this is off topic from the OP , maybe we should start up another to deal specifically with this topic of abbreviations , which are so common here ...., like you said barekarma , sms's are also a whole skill of their own.

hanzrobby

we should this is so interesting... and quite funny now i will look at the resturants and see what sign it has.... i remember the balinese words but forget what they mean so i don't really speak it a lot... should just try they prob just laugh when i get it wrong..:icon_lol:

SalakBali

I want to add two things... 1. always ask for the official receipt for everything. 2. About Rt: Neighborhood (RT) is the division of territories in Indonesia under the Pillars of Citizens. Neighborhood is not including the division of administration, and its formation is through local community consultation in the framework of social services established by the Village or the Village. Neighborhood RT led by the Chairman elected by its citizens. RT consists of a number of houses (family head). Neighborhood is a community organization that is recognized and fostered by the government to maintain and preserve the values of community life of Indonesia based on mutual cooperation and kinship as well as to help improve the fluency task of governance, development, and community in rural and urban villages. Each RT as much consisted of 30 families to the village and a maximum of 50 families who established pursuant to sub Permendagri No.7/1983 about formation of RT and RW. Pillars of Citizens (RW) is a division of Indonesia's territory under Dusun or Environment. Residents are not included pillars of the administration division, and its formation is through local community consultation in the framework of social services established by the Village or the Village. Pillars of residents led by the Chairman elected by its citizens RW. Today many neighborhoods in Indonesia Elections Chair who modeled similar to the election of the President or the Election of Regional Head, where there is a campaign and vote. A RW consists of a Neighborhood. Pillars of the citizens is a community organization that is recognized and fostered by the government to maintain and preserve the values of community life of Indonesia based on mutual cooperation and kinship as well as to help improve the fluency task of governance, development, and community in rural and urban villages. Each RT as much consisted of 30 families to the village and a maximum of 50 families who established pursuant to sub Permendagri No.7/1983 about formation of RT and RW. Both RT and RW jobs are unpaid jobs, then there are RT/RW assistance, RT/RW the treasurer, RT/RW secretary.

SalakBali

Maccer wroteGood day gents, Sorry not been in touch for a long while been busy with work. I was looking at buying a villa some time soon, but have started to think about buying some land,and then down the line building my own villa.I have found a nice size plot in Tabanan.But the estate agent say the land comes complete with all certificates and road access and is already re-zoned and ready for develoment ..Can this be true its seen to easy....I am due back on the 18th April to look other the land..Any kind of advice on what to be look out for.. Regards Maccer

I can totally understand how these cultural differences can be confusing for a lot of people. A little big of my background. I was born and raised in Indonesia, I am a naturalized US citizen. I've been staying here in the US for the last 12 years and my husband is an American. So, being away from Indonesia for this long I am feeling a little bit out of the loop with everything that goes around my home country. Now, that I am here in the US I can see both sides of these cultural differences, and I can totally understand how it could drive each sides crazy if you don't take the time to understand each others point of view. I also think certain things are never changed about my Indonesia. I agree with most of the comments. As long as you took the time to understand them, and reach out to them, they will do the same to you and even more. I like Gilbert suggestion on sending your neighbors some pisang goreng, visiting the neighbors even just for a minute or two, etc. That was how I grew up in my parents neighborhood. We always gave each other something (for example on Lebaran holiday all the Muslims neighbors will send food to all the Christians, Hindus, Budhas and non-believers neighbors, and in return they will do the same on their holidays, etc) and if someone needs some help there's always somebody who you can turn to for help. There is a reason why the neighborhood charges the warga to pay a certain amount of money each month/year. We called that "uang iuran". At my parents neighborhood the money is used for things like; uang kematian (when someone passed away) the whole RT will taking turn to cook and clean for the grieverance family's for the whole week or whatever they agreed to do so. There's uang kebersihan (for taking care of garbage) the money would be used to hire someone to take care of the garbage, etc. Uang arisan which is optional (some Rt or Rw will have arisan, basically just a bunch of ladies gathering and collecting money on the purpose of saving together). Uang Kesejahteraan this could be use for things like if someone in the neighborhood is sick, etc. Sometimes certain things are optional, so you can ask them [B]nicely[/B] the details on what the money is being used for. But, I can understand that this money collection could be a bit much sometimes. I heard my mom and other neighbors were complaining that things were getting a bit too much and they just could't afford it. So the neighborhood RT managed to cut these monthly/yearly fees back. Every neighborhood has their own set of rules, so it can be varies from one desa to another. I also agree that you might want to bring an Indonesian friend that you can trust to help you for the whole thing. I think it would be good if you can hire a lawyer because he/she will know your rights and he/she will be on your side. But, also be very careful! Don't sign anything unless you have someone who knows law in Indonesia with you. You can find a list of lawyers from the British Consulate in Bali. I don't mean to be annoying... sorry Balidavo, but RT = Rukun Tetangga not Rumah Tetangga. :icon_cool:. Rukun Tetangga might be translated as Neighborhood Association or Harmonious Neighborhood (tetangga = neighbor, rukun = harmonious). These are the closest neighbors who lives by you. A lot of times (depending on how the village is lay out) these are the neighbors whom live on the same street and behind/in front of your street. RW = Rukun Warga. Rukun Warga could be translated as Community Association and would be the equivalent of a ward. a Rukun Tetangga may consists of 10 - 20 to 40 or even more houses/households, while a Rukun Warga consists of 5 to 10 or maybe more (RT) rukun tetangga.

Barekarma

Hi SalakBali, Thanks for all that very useful information, including the meanings of words. Now I can make a list of questions to take to the 'kantor kepala desa'.... when I can find the office in my area! Barekarma

SHoggard

SalakBali wrote. We always gave each other something (for example on Lebaran holiday all the Muslims neighbors will send food to all the Christians, Hindus, Budhas and non-believers neighbors, and in return they will do the same on their holidays, etc) and if someone needs some help there's always somebody who you can turn to for help.

That's the way it works (most of the time) here in Singapore. I know high-rise living is different, but not too different: on our apartment floor my neighbours are; Muslim (Indonesian/Chiinese), Hindu (Indian & Singaporean Indian) Jain (Singaporean Indian) & us who are not much of anything really (UK/Singaporean Chinese) - so my 12 yr old daughter has grown up in & out of the homes of her 'uncles & aunties' at the various festival & religious holidays, taken and received ang pau, kueh etc and had great dressing-up fun. AND, of course we pay monthly 'maintenance fees' to the condo management and also neighbourhood commitee.... hell... our local MP, who is Finance Minister, attends a couple of times a year & even knows my name (not sure that's a good thing at income tax time!) I'm guessing therefore that natural neighborliness & contributing to the community in a structured way (financially and physically getting engaged) is an 'Asian thing' that maybe those from a Western culture lost sometime over the past 100 years or so. It's a good way to live

Mark

Excellent advice SalakBali, Gil and the other positive contributors to this thread. I think that some (myself included) can sometimes be a bit too guarded/jaded, having heard or read tough stories on this forum or others where things for whatever reason went wrong, and then thinking that there is always an ulterior motive (eg money) when it comes to interacting with Balinese, particularly regarding property. In fact, what you describe makes a lot of sense and the key takeaway is to be aware and culturally sensitive (very obvious but not always easy when you're on your guard). My Indonesian wife and I are looking to buy a particular land at the moment for a family residence and once the preliminary notary checks are done, we (including my mother in law) plan to meet the community leaders and potential neighbors to introduce ourselves before closing the deal. We obviously won't compromise on ensuring that the legalities are in order, but at the same time hope to be accepted as a welcome neighbor.

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