Internet - how much and how fast?

JohnDean

[b]monthly amount[/b]

spicyayam wroteLintasarta looks like an interesting option, not cheap but worth looking into at some point. Can I ask what you pay every month?

I pay 37,956,000 IDR a month. If you are in Seminyak let me know, maybe we can figure out how to get you hooked up. I'm not an ISP nor care to be one & will not accept $, it would just be expat/helping expat. I'm currently providing access to 15+ other villa's all at no charge. I know first hand the pain of slow internet & it's impact on my own productivity so... but historically even with streaming the daily show or cspan, playing online PS3 and on the phone via Vonage VOIP I'm barely using my bandwidth. It's super fast, worth every penny!

spicyayam

[QUOTE]I pay 37,956,000 IDR a month[/QUOTE] :icon_eek: Well, I think you won the prize for the most expensive internet in Bali :icon_biggrin:

donfuego

JohnDean wroteI pay 37,956,000 IDR a month.

Holy......!! For that price it better be good!! About 100 times my Internet budget. Something's telling me our friend here is "economically independent". But hey man I really appreciate the generosity :P

JohnDean

[b]internet[/b]

donfuego wroteHoly......!! For that price it better be good!! About 100 times my Internet budget. Something's telling me our friend here is "economically independent". But hey man I really appreciate the generosity :P

I'm NOT "economically independent." I still work around the clock just remotely. :icon_biggrin: The service I have is same as what a ISP's (Global Extreme, Pt.Citramedia, etc.) use before they resell to end users on monthly rated plans. Cheaper going direct to the backbone vs going through a middleman & better service. So I'm willing to provide access to any expat within reasonable distance.

Peter Ka

JohnDean, you might want to give Blueline a call. They can do a lot better than Rp 38 mln for 2 Mbps 1:1 Regards, Peter

JohnDean

[b]Blueline...[/b]

Peter Ka wroteJohnDean, you might want to give Blueline a call. They can do a lot better than Rp 38 mln for 2 Mbps 1:1 Regards, Peter

I'm familiar with Blueline, actually have an office across the parking lot from them in Kutu Galleria & there speeds, up time and service and technology is lacking. I have Lintasta at that location too. Worth every penny.

Peter Ka

Not what my experience is with them. I have one of their commercial plans, and uptime must be a couple of 9s. Whenever there is something (mostly my own network), they are with me within an hour (Canggu). Very professional. Have tried several other ISPs, including Lintasarta, nobody comes close to them...

JohnDean

[b]Blueline pricing[/b]

Peter Ka wroteNot what my experience is with them. I have one of their commercial plans, and uptime must be a couple of 9s. Whenever there is something (mostly my own network), they are with me within an hour (Canggu). Very professional. Have tried several other ISPs, including Lintasarta, nobody comes close to them...

I have attached the commercial pricing list I received today from Blueline. It has been nearly 2 years since I last visited them. Blueline's price for 2MB up/down is 35 million IDR & it is only wireless access to a fiber-optic backbone. Their SLA (service level agreement) is 96% and they do not offer fiber-optic connections, just wireless that is inherently unstable, latency issues & lost packets. Lintasarta's SLA is 99%, fiber-optic to villa. So not sure what your issues with Lintasarta had been but if it was wireless out to Canggu I never had any luck with ISP from Discovery Villa in Canggu, reason why I moved back into Seminyak. Which commercial package are you using from Blueline?

pollyanna

Donfuego, Peter Ka, John Dean and other tech jocks, I would love to get your advice about choosing an internet provider. We're moving somewhere around Ubud in June to begin building our home in a village south of Ubud. While building we'll rent a house. I have looked at the Blueline site but cannot tell how much their service would cost based on the way they charge by usage. Presently I have a 2Mb plan p/m and generally use just over 1Mb p/m. I also need a relatively fast service. If you're willing to take a few minutes to answer this I'd very much appreciate it but please write very slowly because I know nothing about the inner workings of the internet. Hell, I'm still gobsmacked that I can receive a phone call anywhere in the world from anywhere in the world, all without wires.:icon_e_confused: So, Blueline or Speedy or someone else? Thanks for any help anyone can give.

Peter Ka

Johndean, I have their "Unlimited" 512 kbps package. I don't know what their SLA is, but an SLA is meaningless to me, as it is just an mechanism and formula to get a refund. I don't care for a refund, I need as high uptime as I can get. (I trade online). Blueline is simply never down. Their wireless is Wimax as I understand it, so interference is not an issue. I trialed Lintasarta for a month and there where quiet a few 30 minute downtimes. Supposedly backbone issues and not the wireless link. I guess fiberoptic does not mean guaranty perfection in Indonesia.

Peter Ka

Pollyanna, I guess it all depends what you need Internet for. If you are just sending emails and it does not matter much if your internet is down or slow, Speedy or Flash would be fine and cheap. If your business demands more reliability I guess Global Extreme or Blueline SoHo would be the way to go. They would also by my choice if you are using Skype. If your internet is critical, like it is for me, Indosat, Blueline Commercial, Lintasarta or Biznet are your choice. Hope this helps.

pollyanna

Peter, this helps a lot. I do need a reliable connection for more than social emails but I can't justify 38m rp a month so your information is a big help. Thanks.

JohnDean

[b]perfection?[/b]

Peter Ka wroteJohndean, I have their "Unlimited" 512 kbps package. I don't know what their SLA is, but an SLA is meaningless to me, as it is just an mechanism and formula to get a refund. I don't care for a refund, I need as high uptime as I can get. (I trade online). Blueline is simply never down. Their wireless is Wimax as I understand it, so interference is not an issue. I trialed Lintasarta for a month and there where quiet a few 30 minute downtimes. Supposedly backbone issues and not the wireless link. I guess fiberoptic does not mean guaranty perfection in Indonesia.

I have had 2 downtimes with Lintasata, one for 15 minutes around 3AM and another for 12 hours due to a fiber line being severed in an undersea water cable due to an earthquake. Not sure if there is perfection anywhere, when you find it let me know. I guess we can both remain happy with our choice, no desire to have a Blueline experience and pay more. Blueline's 2MB fee + tax is 500k more then I'm paying now and that's just wasting my Bintang $ :icon_biggrin:

Effie

[b]Trading Online[/b] As an amateur trader online, enough to help me get by with my travels, paying £2000 a month would simply take all of my earnings. I would really love to come to Bali to live for at least six months but if the only reliable internet I can find is going to cost £2000, than it will be impossible. John Dean, Peter Ka - as I only need one reliable line for one mac - am I really going to have to pay £2000 a month for internet cos if so I will have to give up my dreams of Bali and go to Thailand, where the internet is 3.5mb and inclusive in most places. :icon_sad: I appreciate your help, I really do x

Blondie

Effie wroteAs an amateur trader online, enough to help me get by with my travels, paying £2000 a month would simply take all of my earnings. I would really love to come to Bali to live for at least six months but if the only reliable internet I can find is going to cost £2000, than it will be impossible. John Dean, Peter Ka - as I only need one reliable line for one mac - am I really going to have to pay £2000 a month for internet cos if so I will have to give up my dreams of Bali and go to Thailand, where the internet is 3.5mb and inclusive in most places. :icon_sad: I appreciate your help, I really do x

Hey Effie I think there is some confusion here No way you need to spend anywhere near 2000 sterling per month for internet, not even 10% of that If by trading, you mean that you need speed so you can hit "spot" prices promptly and not miss out on trades, then Blueline's basic packages will give you the speed you need for 150 sterling max per month. Its not like you're using masses of mbs uploading and downloading to websites or managing a website, you just want fast and Blueline is fast I personally run an online business and I have Speedy which does me totally fine, but I dont need to "smack" something or else miss out on it the way that you may need to. I think here that you might be confusing speed of access that you need with amount of traffic uploading and downloading that say others need, thats why they need the large mbs, but if its for spot trading... low to average megs per month on a fast fast connection should do it for you. If it's not spot trading that you're doing, then seriously, Speedy is totally fine. I'm on it 8 hours a day and only ever get frustrated if I'm taking a break from work stuff and maybe trying to check out a video on Youtube that downloads frustratingly slowly... but video is a whole different deal to what you're needing it for No need to go to Thailand just yet Regards N

BKT

I'm using Smart wireless, not that good for watching videos only but its quick enough to surf, skype, ichat (with video) and upload pics without me tearing my hair out. You can take it anywhere, even the beach. Its even quicker in Singaraja. If you're in an area and you're not sure if you'll get coverage they'll come over and test it for you Price for stick modem = 1 milz monthly 150 rp you need it registered to a locals name though.

Effie

Thanks John, Just had a look at that site. Looks very very reasonable. They seem to be offering a 20meg connection and yet noone in this post/forum seems to have mentioned anything anywhere near this fast. If you buy the 20mb/s package what am I looking at actually getting most the time? Even in developed countries the exchanges always seem to be overloaded and I have got only half the data rate I am paying for in the past in UK and North America. Do you know what they are like for that kind of thing? Thanks for all the help, Effie

JohnDean

yes

As an amateur trader online, enough to help me get by with my travels, paying £2000 a month would simply take all of my earnings. I would really love to come to Bali to live for at least six months but if the only reliable internet I can find is going to cost £2000, than it will be impossible. John Dean, Peter Ka - as I only need one reliable line for one mac - am I really going to have to pay £2000 a month for internet cos if so I will have to give up my dreams of Bali and go to Thailand, where the internet is 3.5mb and inclusive in most places. :icon_sad: I appreciate your help, I really do x

Hi Effie, I can move huge volumes of data per month & need the bandwidth and as such is mission critical core business. I also love my PS3 online gaming. :) I would think you could find something much cheaper then the rates I pay such as: max3 - maximum lifestyle Company is Biznet, check their coverage map. Unfortunately they are not providing service in the area I live. They offer fiber lines with speeds of 768kbps for 500k to 20Mbps for 3,500,000, I researched them before and they appear to be legit and no one beats their speeds for the price, just have to live in their coverage area. Link for the parent site: Biznet Networks - inspiring innovation Link for the residential: max3 - maximum lifestyle Good luck, John

Effie

Blondie wroteHey Effie If by trading, you mean that you need speed so you can hit "spot" prices promptly and not miss out on trades, then Blueline's basic packages will give you the speed you need for 150 sterling max per month. Its not like you're using masses of mbs uploading and downloading to websites or managing a website, you just want fast and Blueline is fast I personally run an online business and I have Speedy which does me totally fine, but I dont need to "smack" something or else miss out on it the way that you may need to. I think here that you might be confusing speed of access that you need with amount of traffic uploading and downloading that say others need, thats why they need the large mbs, but if its for spot trading... low to average megs per month on a fast fast connection should do it for you. If it's not spot trading that you're doing, then seriously, Speedy is totally fine. I'm on it 8 hours a day and only ever get frustrated if I'm taking a break from work stuff and maybe trying to check out a video on Youtube that downloads frustratingly slowly... but video is a whole different deal to what you're needing it for No need to go to Thailand just yet Regards N

Thanks for the info - I do not really need to stream video or anything, the only thing I would use it for is work. I do not do that kind of trading. I do cross-market trading so need lots of sites open at the same time which requires a decent connection. I agree, I do not need a high download/upload cap, 5gig/month should be more than enough. At the moment I am in Japan and have 120mb/second connection with an unlimited cap and I have not had a less than 20mb/sec connection since before I started trading. Above it was stated about a 2mb/sec connection costing 36 million rupiah. Unless I am misreading this that sounds insane. I think I could scrape by on a 1mb/sec connection but only if I was actually getting that. In my experience in many parts of Asia you do not get what you are paying for and there is usually lots of downtime. Thanks, Effie.

JohnnyCool

[QUOTE]Rule of thumb: 1 BYTE = 10 BITS[/QUOTE]That is incorrect. There are 8 bits to a byte, [B]not[/B] 10. I know you're trying to help but please get your facts right in the first place. :icon_e_ugeek:

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