BaliLife
don, I really do wish there was something nicer or more worthwhile to say to you than "eat shit". I've thought about it for sometime now and I'm afraid there isn't.The problem with Joe the Plumber, or Don the KKK'er is that they themselves don't realize that Obama and his 'socialist' policies are there to protect them, because they (and in fact you Don) are the type who are unable to protect themselves, socially and economically. Don, with Obama, you'll finally have the economic opportunity to allow you to upgrade to the 30' trailer. :lol:Ct
tintin
Balilife,Nothing is perfect, of course. As far as Obama's selection of a chief of staff, Rham is stellar, BUT for one thing: Emanuel is a strong supporter of AIPAC, an extremist organisation. AIPAC is a Likudnick organisation, which has always worked for the policy of a greater Israel, f**k the Palestinians, and has poisonned the US foriegn policy in the Middle East for more than half a century. Obama knows Rham's position on AIPAC, and I just hope it is another "trick" in Obama's bag.
BALIHI
Don , my wife (registered dem ) and myself ( reg rep ) fought this election out tooth and nail and alot of soul searching in our own values too . The social programs that Obama platformed were the biggest battle for the wife and I . One of us felt that we could stop working , get our share of the mortage bailout and put our feet up on the coffee table and Uncle Obama would take care of us . In the end she voted rep. and I voted dem. , crazy ! Between you and me I think race placed a part in the wifes thought process . I think my thought was , taxes are gunna go up anyway might as well do some good at home with the money . Im glad its over , Im drained .
Sumatra
Well[b] Balilife[/b],That's because you're trailer park trash trapped in the body of a priveleged little snot. :lol: I don't need the government to protect me, they need me to protect them, if you can understand that sort of sentiment.[b]Tintin[/b],You the man! I challenge anyone to ask Rham Emmanuel any question related to politics and if he doesn't mistakenly blurt it out first, the answer to your question that first pops up in his mind will be another question; How does that help the Jews? This is not an anti-semitic statement for those who have studied their history. Their ability to stick together and work towards a mutual goal is no less than astounding. For Emmanuel, Israel's interests will always come before those of the US. The US is just a tool to be used until it's lost its usefulness.Balihi,These social programs Obama and other liberals champion are going to finish off an already tapped-out economy. The legs of the middle-class mules bearing this burden are starting to buckle, these could be the last straws that break the mules legs and back, leaving us open to attack from many different angles. The Russians I mentioned are only one of a half dozen entities we've pissed on over the years, who have the ability and an overwhelming desire to stick the fork in us should we fall down.The Don 8)
BaliLife
Hi tin,I'm aware of emanuel's position on israel, and I too believe it is a strategy of obama's to have a pro-israeli on board to push an effective mid-east peace effort..Let us see.Ct
Sumatra
Hey guys,The messiah doesn't have any tricks in his bag regarding the selection of Emanuel. Puny little Israel can't tear into Iran without the help of the US, they're too weak and poorly positioned geographically. Come on ladies and gents, it's common sense.Do I have to draw a picture too? It's Israel with the bag full of tricks here, looks like Obama's puppeteers have revealed their identities rather early in the game. Change my a$$!!!!! It seems as though Israel will be in control of this administration also. The whole campaign was a smokescreen, media orgy, successfully duping the world (and especially US voters) into believing in all earnest that this clown was the agent of change, when in fact he's just another empty suit fronting for Israel.THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC PARTIES!!!!!This country desperately needs a third party, who can assemble an administration devoid of AIPAC sympathizers or direct supporters. As long as we're propping up these war-mongering, control freak, fruitcakes, we'll have the guns and missiles of terrorist's pointed in our direction. I say, if they want to start fights, then let them fight their own battles, instead of taking a few pokes and then hiding behind Lady Liberty's skirt.The Don 8)
BaliLife
Well don, I agree that the US is israels slave, its just a fact that is irrefutable. I do however believe obama will not entirely bow to the conventional relationship - like I said, we need to wait and see on that one.Ct
tintin
Don,You claim not to be a Democrat or a Republican, but everything you have written up to now is in agreement with your being a closet Republican. In one of your latest posts you define (or rather, scream) your position most unambiguously, as that of a greedy, selfish Republican (or a red-neck Democrat, take your pick). You write,NO WORKING PERSON WANTS TO SUPPORT MILLIONS OF DEADBEATS, WHO ARE ALREADY HERE OR, COME HERE WITH THE SOLE INTENTION OF ACQUIRING UNDESERVED ENTITLEMENT MONIES FROM THE WORKING, WHO ARE FORCED BY GOVERNMENT TO COUGH IT UP AT THE POINT OF A GUN.[/quote] As a greedy, selfish Republican, you bemoan the few (relatively speaking) deadbeats who exist in every system. You take them as scapegoats for your imaginary financial short comings. "Imaginary" because people like you never have enough: it's me, me, and me first, and let all the other a**holes take care of themselves...it's not my concern or my business. But never have I heard from you, at least with such conviction, complaining about the billionaire wheeler-dealers bankers, and other assorted pigs at the trough. Everything, every program that could help the underprivileged (and not so underprivileged), such as universal health care is dismissed as Socialism, and therefore awful. And besides, some deadbeats would take advantage of it. But you don't object to $500 billion military budget (actually, more than $1 trillion, when everything is included), which is as much as the military budget of the rest of the planet. For people like you, it always feels better to step on people who are worse off that you (I don't know for sure how "worse off" you are yourself, but you surely come across as believing that you are the most deprived person in Boston), or less fortunate.That "no man is an island" is true in all societies, but people like you are delusional, believing that they are solely responsible for their own achievements and well-being. So let me be personal, and tell you a bit about myself.My paternal grandmother was a maid, and my father had to start working at 14 years old, at some menial job. He entered politics and led one of the great strikes in France, in 1936, battling for Social Security and the 40-hour week (they won), which you and billions of people now enjoy. He got drafted and ended up 5 years as a prisoner in Germany. When he came back, he was disillusion with politics and broken. My maternal grandmother immigrated to France at 40 years of age, and my mother started working as a laundress when she was 12 years old. I am where I am now, having climbed on their shoulders, but I certainly I did not do it all by myself. I had the drive, intelligence, and imagination (not through any of my doing, just my DNA), some luck and some breaks along the way. But also, I was in an environment, social and political, which allowed my parents and me to succeed. Would it have been different if I had been born in Zimbabwe or Columbia? You bet your sweet bippy it would have been.So, I owe something to this society which allowed me to be where I am now. By "this society" I mean my fellow citizens who do not even know that I am alive, and I reciprocally. It may sound corny to you, but I feel indebted to the people of France and the United States which gave me the opportunity to have become what I have become. So, I pay my taxes and hope for the best, that some will find its way somehow to better the lives of my countrymen (and women), here and around the world, and, in the process and as a bonus, better my own life.And this is what people like you, Don, will never understand. You and your fellow travelers are all the same: greedy, selfish, egotistic...it's all the same definition.
BALIHI
DON ( If you dont mind me calling you Don ) , I think we have alot in common , we both served our county ( by the way you come across I assume you have) , Im a total conservative , I have voted democrate twice in my life . You have to admit the party (rep) is in total disaray , and the Palin pick was out of line . My vote came down to getting out of the war ! I know your back is against the wall with this liberal pc crowd , cut them someslack and give obama a chance is all im saying .
SG
[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/opinion/07krugman.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin]Paul Krugman nails it[/url] rather well in the NYT today:Right now, many commentators are urging Mr. Obama to think small. Some make the case on political grounds: America, they say, is still a conservative country, and voters will punish Democrats if they move to the left. Others say that the financial and economic crisis leaves no room for action on, say, health care reform.Let's hope that Mr. Obama has the good sense to ignore this advice.[/quote]andBut it would be fair for the new administration to point out how conservative ideology, the belief that greed is always good, helped create this crisis. What F.D.R. said in his second inaugural address - "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics" - has never rung truer.And right now happens to be one of those times when the converse is also true, and good morals are good economics. Helping the neediest in a time of crisis, through expanded health and unemployment benefits, is the morally right thing to do; it's also a far more effective form of economic stimulus than cutting the capital gains tax. Providing aid to beleaguered state and local governments, so that they can sustain essential public services, is important for those who depend on those services; it's also a way to avoid job losses and limit the depth of the economy's slump.So a serious progressive agenda - call it a new New Deal - isn't just economically possible, it's exactly what the economy needs.The bottom line, then, is that Barack Obama shouldn't listen to the people trying to scare him into being a do-nothing president. He has the political mandate; he has good economics on his side. You might say that the only thing he has to fear is fear itself[/quote]And the last part is the most important....he has, whether you like him or not, the political mandate pursuant to the system that the US Constitution and it's various ammendments provides. People can rant and rave as much as they wish but under the US's (imperfect) system that's it. Anyone advocating resisting such at the point of a gun should be put a box and that box squashed shut. The second amendment is there, pursuant to the SCOTUS, to protect home and from tyranny. It's not there to allow people to fight the democratic process which is what some here would advocate even if you couple the end result of that process with an unhealthy dose of deluded paranoia.
BaliLife
Beautifully put SG..Ct
Sumatra
[b]Tintin[/b],I don't think you sound corny, you just need to fetch your reading glasses before you peruse my post's. It's always been my opinion that we should bring our troops home and stop wasting money on weapons and wars. It's so counterproductive.I've also previously posted that the most recent Wall St. banksters assets should be hunted down, frozen, confiscated and then put towards our bloated deficit. These pigs should be gutted and strung up by the heels to bleed out publicly as an example...figuratively speaking.Good God man, does your bias towards me always cause you to read my posts so selectively?If Obama grants amnesty to 20 million south of the border illegals (more like 32 million) you must be kidding yourself if you don't think at least 2/3 of them will be taking a bite out of the entitlement apple. This is a[i] huge[/i] number!! Don't forget strategy, Big O will need these votes in four years, to make sure he can extend his stay to eight years.I think maybe your cheese might have slid off the cracker sir, better check.[b]SG[/b]If Obama and his Zionist puppeteers have their way, the first and second amendments will disappear like morning dew in the hot August sun. Problem solved, from your point of view..... I guess. It's interesting how you can draw these conclusions, knowing you'll never have to lose a dime in taxes supporting these policies.[b]Balilife, Balihi.[/b]Chief of Staff goes right under president as far as power and authority goes. Obama's choice of "Rahmbo" Israel Emanuel is a disturbing one and not very encouraging. This man has a foul temper equal to or greater than that of John McInsane, with [i]undeniably pro-Israeli[/i] leanings. We'll just have to wait and see whether or not the choices to come will be prudent or, merely a who's who of Zionists and closet Zionists.The Don 8)
SG
If Obama and his Zionist puppeteers have their way, the first and second amendments will disappear like morning dew in the hot August sun. Problem solved, from your point of view..... I guess. It's interesting how you can draw these conclusions, knowing you'll never have to lose a dime in taxes supporting these policies.[/quote]Ah the all seeing seer. I'm gonna throw two things into the mix: a) you are 100% wrong on both those predictions re; the amendments. That's an easy one.b) Obama's personal philosophy is a hell of a lot closer to that of the founding fathers than you will ever beAnd you clearly don't have grasp on the way US politics affects us all at every level.
Sumatra
[b]SG[/b]I know you really haven't been paying attention here but our first and fourth amendment rights have already been mostly disassembled by some really creative interpretations of the USA Patriot Act. Of course, little Bush's one thousand plus signing statements circumventing our constitution have contributed to the erosion of our rights also but your average American is too busy doing what their telly directs them to do and haven't really noticed yet.[b]If[/b] Obama is as constitutionally inclined as you concede, I'm expecting great things of the man. I do have an uncomfortably tight grip on the way US politics affects us all, at every level and that's exactly why I'm so disturbed by his pick of "Rahmbo" Emanuel for Chief of Staff.Though he'll never admit it "Rahmbo's" first allegiance is to the state of Israel, a country that has erected a wall of confinement three times as long and twice as high as the Berlin wall. A country that has since 1948 murdered 2 million Palestinians and has pushed 4.2 million more into foreign exile. Tell me SG, do you think killing 2 million people over a sixty year time span, is more of a Nazi style holocaust or, less of one because it was spread out over six decades?The United States helped them do this.I'm not pretending to be some great prognosticator, I'm just bringing up some interesting points. Big O has had one hell of a mess dumped in his lap, who he chooses to help him clean it up is of the utmost importance.We're all suspended in watchful waiting limbo at this point, the next sixteen weeks will be quite telling. I'll continue giving him the benefit of the doubt until mid-summer of '09. By then, we should have a pretty solid of idea of where this administration is heading.The Don
SG
[b]SG[/b]I know you really haven't been paying attention here but our first and fourth amendment rights have already been mostly disassembled by some really creative interpretations of the USA Patriot Act.[/quote]Gosh that was mature Don.. no I've not paid attention and never heard of the Patriot Act. But just for arguments sake lets pretend I have..what does that have to do with Obama, oh seer. Wasn't one the things that attracted voters to Obama the fact that he was not the guy who authored the Patriot Act or a perceived successor to that guy. [b]If[/b] Obama is as constitutionally inclined as you concede, I'm expecting great things of the man. I do have an uncomfortably tight grip on the way US politics affects us all, at every level and that's exactly why I'm so disturbed by his pick of "Rahmbo" Emanuel for Chief of Staff.[/quote]And here I was thinking from all your previous posts that you were just another small minded bigot, who hates Mexicans and Jews, with a gun. How wrong I was...it seems you have some sort of self professed divine link to reality that most of your countrymen miss.But wait, the delusions and paranoia are back:Though he'll never admit it "Rahmbo's" first allegiance is to the state of Israel,[/quote]The conspiracy to sap and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strangelove]impurify your precious bodily fluids[/url] is clearly not dead.Tell me SG, do you think killing 2 million people over a sixty year time span, is more of a Nazi style holocaust or, less of one because it was spread out over six decades?[/quote] This is your story Don. It's you taking one and one and coming up with some number to the left of ?. Obama is a Zionist puppet..is that where we are at now? Was that before or after he wasn't a birth certificate producing American? I'll continue giving him the benefit of the doubt until mid-summer of '09. By then, we should have a pretty solid of idea of where this administration is heading.[/quote]I'll be waiting with baited breath for someone like you who quite clearly is paying attention and is a good old tax paying person and is actually [i]there[/i], unlike the rest of us know-it-alls, to tell us what is really happening.The Don[/quote]oddly enough, that was my nickname at school..funny old world, eh?
BaliLife
Israel, a country that has erected a wall of confinement three times as long and twice as high as the Berlin wall. A country that has since 1948 murdered 2 million Palestinians and has pushed 4.2 million more into foreign exile.Tell me SG, do you think killing 2 million people over a sixty year time span, is more of a Nazi style holocaust or, less of one because it was spread out over six decades?[/quote]well on this point sumatra we agree very much - but i completely agree with sg on the rest..ct
Sumatra
SG,Obama, if he is in fact as constitutionally grounded as you're asserting, has a profound obligation to repeal every inch of the USA Patriot Act. Since he had no culpability in it's authoring or, enactment he shouldn't have any problem erasing it from law right? How is this sentiment immature?I don't hate Mexican's or Jews but the US can ill-afford to keep supporting illegal immigration or, support seemingly endless middle-eastern conflict by continually backing up the state of Israel and it's genocidal campaign directed at the Palestinian people. This is the very root of our terrorist problem. Again, how is this immature? BTW, do your own research my ability to count is not impaired.Chief of Staff Emanuel's first allegiance [b]will[/b] be to Israel. Solidarity, is the key to their survival, it's the number one reason for the unbelievable success of their race, against all odds for the last 4,000 years. If you think for one moment, he will abandon this tried and true principle of cultural cohesion, you're sadly mistaken. Again, no immaturity displayed, just stating a fact that anyone paying attention would readily agree with.Dr. Strangelove, and a conspiracy causing the impurity of my bodily fluids? Now those kind of remarks are clearly a sign of an immature thought process. Israel, more than likely has a nuclear arsenal provided by the US and is probably why Iran is in such a hurry to develop nukes otherwise, why bother? I'm not the whack-job you're attempting to portray me as, I'm just throwing out some thoughts here.The Don
BaliLife
SG,Obama, if he is in fact as constitutionally grounded as you're asserting, has a profound obligation to repeal every inch of the USA Patriot Act. Since he had no culpability in it's authoring or, enactment he shouldn't have any problem erasing it from law right? How is this sentiment immature?I don't hate Mexican's or Jews but the US can ill-afford to keep supporting illegal immigration or, support seemingly endless middle-eastern conflict by continually backing up the state of Israel and it's genocidal campaign directed at the Palestinian people. This is the very root of our terrorist problem. Again, how is this immature? BTW, do your own research my ability to count is not impaired.Chief of Staff Emanuel's first allegiance [b]will[/b] be to Israel. Solidarity, is the key to their survival, it's the number one reason for the unbelievable success of their race, against all odds for the last 4,000 years. If you think for one moment, he will abandon this tried and true principle of cultural cohesion, you're sadly mistaken. Again, no immaturity displayed, just stating a fact that anyone paying attention would readily agree with.Dr. Strangelove, and a conspiracy causing the impurity of my bodily fluids? Now those kind of remarks are clearly a sign of an immature thought process. Israel, more than likely has a nuclear arsenal provided by the US and is probably why Iran is in such a hurry to develop nukes otherwise, why bother? I'm not the whack-job you're attempting to portray me as, I'm just throwing out some thoughts here.The Don[/quote]You see don, herein lies the intrigue.. This post of yours, the one above is in my view, very grounded, has much factual basis, is completely rational and I don't think there's a sentence in there an educated liberal or conservative could disagree with, unless they were of course biased towards israel..I point this out as I know you wonder why we give you grief on some of your other posts. Claiming obama might not be an american, or exploring the role of the 2nd amendment for the purposes of keeping your elected officials at bay, or plotting out communist takeover theories are entertaining but they don't have a fraction of the factual basis or rationality that this last post of yours has..I know you couldn't give a rats arse about my opinion, but I hope you post more from this perspective, the 'rational perspective' - you obviously know your stuff..Ct
tintin
Don,I don't need to fetch my reading glasses, as I have progressive (no pun intended) lenses. However, I will apologize if I have misstated your position on "banksters," and the war in Iraq. I was only responding to your obsession with the dead beats, who keeping picking your pockets, and got carried away. I must say that I have not followed very carefully the different discussions for a whileRegarding the illegal immigrants. It does not do your opinion any good when you magnify the numbers, and they are large enough as it is. The latest numbers for illegal immigrants in the US is between 11.5 and 12 millions, not 32 millions (!?) about 60% from Mexico (personally, I don't care because I am fluent in Spanish, and I can cuss in their language with the best of them).You are blind if you think these illegal immigrants come here for the welfare. Of course, like I said before, there are a small number who will play the system, but the hurdles are rather high to beneficiate from social welfare, when you are not a citizen. The reality of things is that the large majority come to this country to make a little money, which they in turn send home to support their relatives. If the tables were turned on you, wouldn't you try this escape route yourself, if this was the most "practical" solution? It takes lot of guts and desperation to become an illegal in any country....Big O will need these votes in four years, to make sure he can extend his stay to eight years.[/quote]And if there are illegals, how do you suppose most of them will be able to register to vote, for Obama or anyone else? When you are an illegal, the first thing you learn is to lay low. As such, the last thing one of them would do is to go through hoops to get registered to vote.I would be curious to know just how many illegal immigrants do you know?
SG
Again, no immaturity displayed, just stating a fact that anyone paying attention would readily agree with.Dr. Strangelove, and a conspiracy causing the impurity of my bodily fluids? Now those kind of remarks are clearly a sign of an immature thought process.[/quote]I guess I'm just feeling a little more grounded if I don't pay attention to the sorts of irrational rants you've posted under your name. Most of the Patriot Act expires in the next 12 months as it is. Will he extend? I don't know..you are the prophet. But the key in the interim is will he instruct the Justice Dept to act aggressively pursuant to it..that I doubt and I think we will see the end of things like Gitmo as well. In fact he's already committed himself to that. But Dr Strangelove..yes, primarily to point out how ludicrous many of those rants were/ are. Your agent of Israel, Obama's hidden agenda and all the rest of the confused twaddle you've posted as 'facts' were pure Strangelovian delusion. Sorry if it confused, I should have explained it in much clearer, easier, terms.
