Jim Thorpe
SG- It looks like I may get to see Obama on Monday night in Colorado...I will let you know how it goes. Palin is going to be there but there aren't any tickets for her show.Roy, I will see if I can get you his autograph! SG- an afterthought...I have only been interviewed once that I can remember but I have taken part in a lot of interviews. In my first life I designed broadcast video facilities and did freelance video...I have edited hundreds of videos and have seen some real hatchet jobs done on people in an interview setting.Cheers from Iowa...
Roy
Roy, I will see if I can get you his autograph! [/quote]That would be GREAT...and I applaud your desire to meet the man and hear him out. A million thanks just for offering it.I'm not "in" this discussion anymore, only because I've already said what I want to say. I'm fairly confident though that after each of the debates, I will have a lot more to say! :shock:
Bert Vierstra
Roy, I will see if I can get you his autograph![/quote]Get a picture of him, with his thumbs up and with something about Bali in his hands.Just an a4 with the word Bali would do.Come on Jim, you can do it !!!
milan
Yay...!! You can do it, Jim. But please get the tickett for Palin so you can get an autograph from her for me. Please, please, please...
Bert Vierstra
Milan, looking at the latest interviews, I don't think she can write. :mrgreen:
milan
It's funny you should mention that as it reminds me to write here that she was interviewed and featured in one of the "incredible women" in the world theme by this man who made this documentary upclose and personal before she was chosen by McCain.As far as I remember, she wasn't someone's elses's wife. So, if she can't write in your judgement, Bert, then I guess you can write better than her. :mrgreen:
SG
Yes, we are talking past each other. You seem to think that McCain is evil and Obama is pure. I don't I believe that both have severe faults but that neither are evil or nor even bad people.You keep bringing in sites and links and so do I showing the same thing on both sides...Why is it then you think McCain is evil and Obama isn't?[/quote]Yes..well done for checking out Obama, Jim.But I do see a very fundamental difference. Firstly I think McCain has done some great things and deserves respect for those.However those are in the past and I think the man facing you right now is a shadow of that man. He's fundamentally corrupt and has sold his soul and your country to win an election. I don't think there is any real question about that and to be honest I don't think you've put forward an argument to counter that or come close.Do I think he's fundamentally evil..no. I do think Bush's cabal are, but not McCain. Polling..well it's interesting Gallup (who I do have problems with) are showing an increasing narrowing of the tracking and it's early days yet. But as I said to you, I think McCain may win, primarily because I don't hold a large part of the American electorate as that smart. It's an uncomfortable fact, but for a developed country, many many Americans are extraordinarily ignorant..far worse than say, Europeans or Australians or Asians. There is no other way to explain Bush 2004, playing on fear and ignorance to get in. I guess that comes across as elitist, well so be it..it's an overwhelmingly common perception outside the USA, with some justification.Really this thing is starting to head down a different path and I think the Dems, having suffered with Palin, seem quietly confident now. She is their best weapon as her selection paints McCain as morally bankrupt. This is heading down a path that the Republicans don't want it to go down...ethics and corruption and on those there is a huge gulf. It's a fundamental difference. I'm still waiting on Milan to tell us why she's so pro-Palin beyond 'you go girl'. But that is her right, she doesn't have to justify it. What is increasingly clear though, especially with the raft of stuff out in the last 24 hours, including being caught lying on Iraq and the banning of books and the cronyism, that she is gonna be the liability that many of the smarter pundits on the right feared she would be..the likes of David Frum and many other commentators in places like the WSJ and TNR..not the, and I'm sorry but I regard them as fringe loopy (a little like the rabid edge of The Sun or other tabloids in the UK), likes of Instapundit and Drudge.[url=http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/obama-campaign.html]Here is a more measured response[/url] to the McCain tech thing rather than the wingnut criticising his heroism line (which is exactly what I mean about simplistic jingoism).That that the potential POTUS can't send an email [i]is[/i] shocking. But these are side issues..the core issue right now remains the unavoidable fact that he chose as a VP someone who fundamentally is not fit for the job, and he did that with regard for either you or the USA, but to win an election. Even if he wins, that fundamental fact will not change.
SG
[url=http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/13/1394679.aspx]And she's back at it[/url]..the woman can't help it. Either she is extraordinarily dumb or she is a pathological liar. This is exactly why she's a weapon for the Dems now..more and more....
tintin
Jim,In other times, I should be able to pay much more attention to what is being written here, and answer appropriately. The exchanges sound pretty interesting. However, because of a dumb accident (accident are by definition always dumb) which occurred one week ago, I have only been able to concentrate for very short periods at the compute screen, and I'm reduced to tying with my left hand. Plus, I am so mad at myself for what happened, and the pain is constant and excruciating. Anway, I'm going under the knife tomorrow, and will be out of action for the next 5 months!1) So, as you say, I did not read carefully Roy's post. On the surface (only, I hope) Obama cannot go against the US Government propaganda, regarding Georgia: it would be political suicide. But, I do not have illusions also about his real position on the subject, and I am afraid it is that of the US Gov. In my post, I was only emphasizing that the problems in Eastern Europe are all of the US Gov. making, due to its imperialistic policies. I did point out that the implementer of the NATO expansion was the Democratic administration.2) I did peruse your post of this morning directed specifically at me, but why did you reprinted it some 20 minutes later, as a quotation? I did get most of it the first time... :roll: 3)Yesterday, having had enough of milan's ramblings on "feminism" and "sisterhood," as a reason to support and vote for Palin, and also of another person's pseudo-cynicism, I penned 2 short posts, which Bert did not find to his liking, and earned me some . So, I will take the same "image," but this time to correct your perception of my politics. Basically, it is that EVERYTHING is better than McCain's policies, domestic and foreign, which would be a continuation of 8 years of G. Bush. So, if the Democrats had put up a pig for candidate, with or without lipstick, I still would vote for the pig. But at least, with Obama, one can dream for a while and hope. With McCain, it's Bomb-bomb-bomb, and now also with Palin (see her last interview) who think nothing to support Georgia, even if it would start WWIII, which can only be a nuclear war, with the Russians. She knows better, because she can see Russia from the window of her own house... :roll: 4)And if the Democrats want to win in November, they must concentrate of McCain and forget about Palin who is just a diversion. 5)But Obama, besides the milan-type feminists, must also contend with what Dick Armey calls the "Bubba vote."ST. PAUL - The "Bubba vote" and underlying racism will hurt Democrat Barack Obama in key battleground states such as Ohio and Pennsylvania, former House majority leader Dick Armey said Wednesday."The Bubba vote is there, and it's very real, and it is everywhere. There's an awful lot of people in America, bless their heart, who simply are not emotionally prepared to vote for a black man."It's deplorable, but it is real," said Armey, adding that he believes "Republicans would not encourage" such prejudices. He said the "Bubba vote" is "invisible" in pre-election opinion polls, because voters do not admit they would oppose a candidate because of race.The "Bubba vote" is shorthand in politics for white, working-class voters who often live in rural areas - a group Obama did not dominate in state primaries.[/quote]By the way, has anybody noticed that Obama's parents were of mixed race? SO, why call Obama a "black man"? Could he just as well be called a "white man"? Sexism, I would say :) To finish, here is a video from last night Saturday Night Live, dedicated to all the "sisters."[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc3Zxq078ns[/url]
tintin
Since we are all talking somewhat emotionally about politics, last night, I came across a fantastic "revelation," which I wished I had met 50 years ago. I'll let you guess who the author is, and only quote his last two paragraphs:...I saw his teeth and the picaresque expression with which he took a jump on history, I felt the squeeze of his hands and, like a distant murmur, the protocolar salute of farewell...In spite of his words, I now knew...I will be with the people, and I know it because I see it etched in the night that I, the eclectic dissector of doctrines and psychoanalyst of dogmas, howling like one possessed, will assault the barricades or trenches, will bathe my weapon in blood and, mad with fury, will slit the throats of any enemy who falls into my hand."And I see, as if an enormous tiredness shoots down my recent exaltation, how I die as a sacrifice to the true standardizing revolution of wills, pronouncing the exemplary [i]mea culpa[/i]. And I feel my nostrils dilated, tasting the acrid smell of gunpowder and of blood, of dead enemy; now my body contorts, ready for the fight, and I prepare my being as if it were a sacred place so that in it the bestial howling of the triumphant proletariat can resonate with new vibrations and new hopes."[/quote]Obviously, this author was not an egotistical, selfish American. :lol:
Bert Vierstra
Ernesto 'Che' Guevara aged 25I has a Google ;)[url="http://munchme.net/2008/03/18/ernesto-che-guevara-aged-25/"]http://munchme.net/2008/03/18/ernesto-c ... a-aged-25/[/url]
Jim Thorpe
I will make a sign that says "greetings from your friends in Bali"... I don't know if they will let me in with it or if I can even get close enough for him to see it but I will try none the less...I may have two chances to see him, the first in Pueblo. My friend says she can get us tickets and then if we can't get in on Monday we can do it on Tuesday with one of my employees in Golden, Co.I will see if they will even let me bring in a camera. If so, then I will post any pictures...but I promise nothing. The last time I took pictures all you could see was part of a stage and the back of someone's head...Clinton was just a tiny dot on the stage.
tintin
Bert, we is impressed :) , but I forgot the prize: one batang Gudang Garam filteRRRR.Man, this guy can write...
Bert Vierstra
I quit smoking.... Sweet wine plz
milan
Daniel, as much as we have our differences on the political realm of things here I wish you God's speed and be here as soon as possible to contribute more of your interesting posts once again.Jim, I beat you to it. Well, not me but a friend from the States who sent me these photos:http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3009/2856722985_ef99f0c03b.jpg[/img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3239/2856719261_b65a604382_m.jpg[/img]
Bert Vierstra
Oh, where is the "I love Bali" sign?
Bert Vierstra
Yesterday on Dutch Television:[youtube:17t5b938]http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=RTVHa4ikuNk[/youtube:17t5b938]
Thorsten
Oh, where is the "I love Bali" sign?[/quote]Wrong party Bert, wrong party :wink:
Roy
Thanks Bert! I spilled my coffee all over my keyboard watching that You Tube! :lol: :lol:
Roy
Daniel, good luck with your surgery. Please forgive me, but I couldn't help thinking about that old posting...toilet paper versus the hose! :oops: Seriously, best wishes for a speedy recovery. Cheers!
