SANURIAN- COME BACKKKKK !

gilbert de jong

Okidoki :) Thanks Fadmin. Friendly greetings, Gilbert.

goldminer

Gilbert, as jonnycool said, new passionate posters will fill the gaps left by those that leave. IMHO, you have become one of those passionate posters...keep it up :D

Bert Vierstra

Yes he has!

JohnnyCool

[quote]..And I ask you to respect their choices, and judge them on what they write, not on presumed "identities"..[/quote] Well said, [b]fadmin[/b], and thank you for pointing that out to those who might be under some misapprehension. The "best" forums are those where people are free to share information, provide new information, help others how they can, discuss and debate topics intelligently. All forums have rules and guidelines. So long as posters don't willingly break them, no problem. Whatever "identity" or avatar they choose to adopt. Compared to other forums dedicated to Bali, I believe this is one of the best ones. It's just a pity that a handful of previously active members have turned away. In time, some will come back and new passionate ones will fill the gaps. I hope so. :D

gilbert de jong

:oops: Sukseme.

Dasha

just love how you spin those discs Johnny.... way cool SB

Jimbo

[quote]just love how you spin those discs Johnny.... way cool SB[/quote] :D :D :D :D

mimpimanis

Hmmm being sure on LL it lists IP addresses I went to check and it does say IP but when I click on myself it shows me as being in Jakarta and the IP address & Host address being the same. Does that mean, for example if I was to ban an "IP" address it would ban anyone using that ISP or does it recognise the actual IP address but just not show it to me? Not that I am planning on banning anyone so far I have only had to ban spammers of lonely hearts ads but I am curious.

Dasha

I suppose we could get bogged down in this issue couldn't we? And i think your statement, Johhnny (still have trouble with that spelling btw) that the internet IS the closest thing to democracy is sooooo true. Only forums rule! Here is something to take your minds to where my partner and I from Java are heading with what we are doing in out technology . This came in from JP about an hour ago. http://www.ted.com/talks/pattie_maes_de ... sense.html good stuff? :)

Dasha

wow even longitude and latitude - like you say, banning one could mean denying others the right to access. nice product packaging - IP2 and Maxmind btw :lol:

JohnnyCool

Friendly regards to you, gilbert

Who would start an 'argument' and then answer the question himself???

I'm sure you can find many examples of this in the historical record. If not much else in this thread, I'm glad that KaBim has discovered something new:

Though I don't have much experience in forums, I do moderate another Expat Forum in Indonesia, and doing so I have access to the ISP of users... I was recently surprised to find out that the practise described by JohnnyCool is not that rare. You sometimes "meet" very weird people on the http://WWW...

Very very true. I think you mean, as a forum moderator somewhere else, that you can see the IP addresses of posters. In other words, their computer "address". ISPs generally don't reveal their customers' details. Usually hide them so all one gets is the ISP's address. Like most things on the internet, there are always ways to dig much deeper (if you can be bothered). I've seen some web-forums where an individual's IP address is plainly visible for all to see. That proves, "guarantees", protects nothing. If they want to, people can easily go to an internet cafe somewhere, a free wi-fi hotspot, create new accounts, and so on. And most moderators would be none the wiser. I mean by that that it's a useless and pointless exercise in the end. I was recently amused to read that even Tim Berner-Lees, the "creator" of the internet, got ripped-off trying to buy something on-line (a Christmas present, I think). What hope is there for the rest of us mere mortals security-wise? (I did write some more from here, and lost it. Suddenly had to log-in again. Possibly a good thing.) I mentioned stuff like there are many "mad" people in the world. No shortage. Some of them have internet access. Some of them can "enlighten" us, others just prove that they are truly crazy. Having "fun" on the internet is all well and good. Be as serious or flippant as you like. "Protect" your on-line "security" to the best of your ability, including your credit cards. Keep the "security software" you have installed as up to date as possible. Pray for the best. Don't bother yourself too much about who is "real" and who is not (unless you're transacting money), or have oodles of spare time. Have fun, help people less fortunate than yourselves, and get on with it. The "internet" is still the closest thing to so-called "democracy", in most countries. This thread has probably run its natural course. More than enough. Can't everybody get back to things directly related to Bali? :?:

KaBIm

[quote=JohnnyCool]Very very true. I think you mean, as a forum moderator somewhere else, that you can see the [b]IP addresses[/b] of posters. In other words, their computer "address". ISPs generally don't reveal their customers' details. Usually hide them so all one gets is the ISP's address. Like most things on the internet, there are always ways to dig much deeper (if you can be bothered). I've seen [i]some[/i] web-forums where an individual's IP address is plainly visible for all to see. That proves, "guarantees", protects nothing. If they want to, people can easily go to an internet cafe somewhere, a free wi-fi hotspot, create new accounts, and so on. And most moderators would be none the wiser. I mean by that that it's a useless and pointless exercise in the end.[/quote] Thanks to elaborate it. I did mean [b]ISP's addresses [/b]as you mentionned.

Bert Vierstra

Hmmm being sure on LL it lists IP addresses I went to check and it does say IP but when I click on myself it shows me as being in Jakarta and the IP address & Host address being the same. Does that mean, for example if I was to ban an "IP" address it would ban anyone using that ISP or does it recognise the actual IP address but just not show it to me? Not that I am planning on banning anyone so far I have only had to ban spammers of lonely hearts ads but I am curious.

Most IP address are traceable back the the actual house you live in. Even in Bali. But these databases are not public. (Unless you use a mobile IP). If there is a serious enough crime committed, they know where and who. These websites: http://www.ip2location.com/ http://www.maxmind.com/ Show just the tip of the iceberg. Google has a much more precise database, and Law enforcement agencies even more precise. There are smart-assess who uses proxies (relay server somewhere else) to do nasty things, but they can be traced as well. If you ban an IP address, you have to know if the user uses a fixed IP address, or uses various IP addresses. If its a dial-up connection, and even ADSL can can be of the dial-up kind, the user gets a different IP every time he or she connects to the internet. You could ban a range of IP addresses, but this would mean that you probably deny access to other users in the same area.

Markit

My 2 cents worth: I think most people that changer their IDs do so [b]not[/b] because they DO want to be someone else but because they DONT want to be that last person - [u]major difference[/u] in my book. Unless, of course, that person is gaining access to somewhere he or she has been excluded from or has loudly excluded him or herself from - how embarrassing :oops: ! Am I understanding this correctly that Jonny cool is, in reality, that masked hero Sanurian (bored basket weaver) who I prophesied would be back soon? How Sad! How true. Many thanks for the TED link - wonderful stuff there - who needs science fiction?

Dasha

blows my mind too Markit... glad you liked it :D

Markit

Since I've been on the island I've been away from TED thru lack of bandwidth but this one was worth the wait :D

Dasha

Yes does rock :!:

Dasha

sorry I missed the word TED. Let me try a again as it's early in the morning. Yes .. TED does rock :!:

ronb

These websites: http://www.ip2location.com/ http://www.maxmind.com/ Show just the tip of the iceberg.

I finally got round to plugging my IP address into these sites, then looking up the lat/lon on Google Earth. ip2location locates me just to the west of Central Jakarta, while maxmind has me somewhere on the edge of the urban area of Cirebon. Now if I was a Crime Scene Investigator provided with this information - I don't think I would feel I was closing in.

KaBIm

[quote=ronb] I finally got round to plugging my IP address into these sites, then looking up the lat/lon on Google Earth. ip2location locates me just to the west of Central Jakarta, while maxmind has me somewhere on the edge of the urban area of Cirebon. Now if I was a Crime Scene Investigator provided with this information - I don't think I would feel I was closing in.[/quote] :lol: I did the same and ip2location locates me in the jungle while maxmind send me for a bath in the sea. Both where however quite close to where I am (a few km range only).

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