Sumatra
Hey Tintin,
You didn't tell us [i]how[/i] your cat sent you to the hospital twice........
Story, story story............
The Don
Markit
You're right Gemma it doesn't belong to me, and I am here already but the purpose of a forum, as opposed to a bulletin board is its continuity. In 2 years time some poor soul may have the same question and when he or she searches balipod for a good answer he'll get a load of Bullsh*t. Pity really...it all started out so well :cry:
Roy
[quote]Just a short reminder: What should people bring with them when they have rest baggage to fill that will do the people here some good. THATS ALL!![/quote]
A little late, isn't it, to be so emphatic, since you are supposedly already here. :P
[quote]You people are a real marketing disaster for the cause of expats[/quote]
Thanking the Gods, I can assure you, Markit, that you will never understand what being an expat on Bali means.
And, as Mimpi made clear, just because you started a string, there is no inherent ownership that accompanies starting a topic…so, get over it, and please stop shouting!
While you are perhaps here in Bali again Markit, please let me help you out. Hire any driver, and ask him to take you to the Royal Pita Maha in Ubud. At the security checkpoint, just ask your driver to ask the guards for simple directions to my compound..."rumah di Ba Pak Roy?" will work well enough.
If you think I’m calling your bluff, you are right. Nothing would please me more than to confront you head on. :evil:
Sanurian
Hold your horses there, [b]Markit[/b]
There are [b]lots[/b] of suggestions about "what to bring people" here in the [i]Archives[/i] of this forum, which you said you can't be bothered about looking in to. You probably also know that this forum is not exactly "unique", in the sense that there are countless other ones on the web.
[quote]...Just a short reminder: What should people bring with them when they have rest baggage to fill that will do the people here some good.[/quote]
Things packable in a bag would include items most of us would take for granted as "worthless crap" in our eyes. However, "brand name" T-shirts, for example, are often "hits", even though they're probably not really all that useful. Many Balinese will appreciate them for reasons you may not be aware of. Sure - we can buy all kinds here, generally much cheaper than in Western countries, but it's the fact that they [b]weren't[/b] bought here that makes them more "valuable", significant, or different.
Same with pencils, pens, writing books, brassieres, shampoo, skin lotions, perfumes, cosmetics, playing cards, calendars, photos of your house and family, non-pirated DVD movies, music tapes/CDs, etc.
What you [b]can't[/b] shove into a bag is love, respect, caring, patience, understanding, commitment, continuity. Stuff like that. I hope this helps!
Now...you seemed to be hurt, somewhat, because the thread you started has meandered a bit. Starting a "thread" anywhere doesn't mean you "own it", (unless you put it on your own website and server). Lashing out because you don't have control of the ball anymore is not the way to go. Participate, by all means. If things get too rough for you on this forum, there [b]is[/b] a button you can press so the [b]Admin[/b] can check it out, remove or block the thread in question, if deemed necessary for "spiritual balance".
[i]This comment from you was meant to do what, precisely?[/i]
[quote]...You people are a real marketing disaster for the cause of expats...[/quote]
What is the "cause of expats"? Who, if anybody, is marketing it? (And if so, how?)
See...you've got me thinking about it. But not for long, because I'm not a businessman.
8)
chilli
[quote=BaliLife]Not that I don't like cats, but they just don't have the character dogs do.. They seem to be more independent creatures.. They are mighty cute..
Ct[/quote]
Balilife, beleive me they do, i have a dog and cat and the cats personality far outweighs the dog.
Dogs will come to you if you hurt them or not, they are truly like servants,
cats on the other hand have their moods like a person,, hey, leave a message and ill get back to you when im ready.
Try hurting a cat, they will always be weary of you, try hurting a dog, they just come back to you as soon as you call them.
for me they (cat or dog) are a pleasure to live with, They can teach us a lot.
Kadek
I love dogs because they can give unconditional love. But I love cats (now I do) because they are independent and have their own personality. My cat is definitely the boss! :shock:
Sometime when I see animals, I am amazed how much love, compassion and genuine caring they have for their family. Not too long ago, I caught myself shedding tears watching a family of African Elephants and how lovely and caring they were as a family unit and how sad they looked when one of them got speared and eventually die. It was very touching to me :oops:
here is my cat - so cute :D
chilli
she is very cute Kadek..
Jimbo
[quote]I love dogs because they can give unconditional love. But I love cats (now I do) because they are independent and have their own personality. My cat is definitely the boss![/quote]
Try people. They have all of the above qualities although on this forum you would not always think so :D
Sumatra
Tin,
Isn't it interesting, the physical differences between the native cats of the northeastern US and Indonesia? Northeastern cats being shorter in the legs and thicker throughout their bodies and heads, probably to retain as much life-giving heat as possible in the foul conditions we endure here. Indonesian cats have a thinner body overall, with narrow heads are longer in the legs and somewhat roach backed, most likely an evolutionary adaptation to contend with the insufferable equatorial heat.
So much to observe in this life, it's a wonder people complain of being bored. :?
The Don
tintin
It's much simpler than that, Don. Each of my cats eat about 300 - 350 calories per day, with a good diet of all the necessary vitamins to grow and remain healthy. The 3 Balinese cats eat a little bit of rice and one small fish each day (plus any tikus or geko they can catch).
BaliLife
Every night, outside my window in surabaya, sometime between the hours of 1am and 4am, street cats get into a 'street brawl' and seemingly try to kill each other.. I first mistook the noise for a cat being killed and eaten by a snake, but have since observed what exactly transpires..
Jimbo, I don't know how accurate it would be to suggest that unconditional love is a common virtue amongst human beings - outside of direct family relationships, and I guess that really too depends on the family..
Ct
Kadek
Jimbo, seeing things on what human does to other human beings makes it hard to believe that we are the 'more noble' animals. Even amongst family, there is often not much love :( :(
Anyway, I first received these photos in an email. I am touched of how proud the chimp seems to be as though she is a proud mother.
http://www.funtim.com/dgb.html
tintin
With my apologies to Marky for bringing up cats in "his" string.
Don,
[quote] Hey Tintin,
You didn't tell us how your cat sent you to the hospital twice........
Story, story story............[/quote]
Mimi was a feral cat which had been in my neighborhood for almost a year. He was very elusive, and neighbors told me they had tried to feed him, without success: he would run a.s.a. he saw a human. I started feeding him twice daily, last December (a very snowy month in Boston, when we broke the record with 27+ inches of snow). I could only watch him from my window, as he would only come to eat when he was sure there was no human presence. Progress was made by leaps and bounds and in April he finally made contact with me. I had set his bowl by the door of my covered breezeway, and sat at the opposite end. Each day I would bring my chair closer to the bowl, and on the fourth morning, he just by-passed the food, jumped on my lap, and started paw-pawing, purring, and "marking" me (in the process, he also covered me with lots of his white hair). Boy, was he a mess! Skinny, his hair all matted and dry. Few days later, during the same routine, it nipped my thumb and drew blood. This led to my going to the Emergencies at the hospital to start an anti-rabies series of shots (we have rabid raccoons, foxes, in the area). In the meantime, we met twice a day (but, just in case, I was wearing gloves), and after 10 days, I stopped the shots, since it was obvious Mimi was not rabid.
I took Mimi in my household few weeks later (not an easy task, with two other cats, including an alpha-male! And he was scared of my wife…).
My other two cats go outdoor but under supervision. There are coyotes in the neighborhood that already have taken care of several cats. Early September, I decided that I could now "trust" Mimi and took him out couple of times. The third time, he started taking off in the wrong direction several times and I tried to set him straight (Turkish angoras are known to be very stubborn), and in trying to cut its path, I stumbled on a stone, caught myself with my right arm on a small tree, but Newton got the best of me, and in the process I tore the distal tendon of my right biceps. So, back to the hospital for repairs: operation, 6 weeks in a cast and now in rehab. Actually, in a sense, it was not Mimi's fault if I am that clumsy, so I should not blame him, but if he had not been so stubborn... :roll:
Anyway, since this is a Bali Forum, we should talk about Bali cats. So, here are the pictures of 3 Balinese cats who lived at my friend's house , in Nyuh Kuning.
Jeruk is my favorite. Manis, the female, was so jealous of him: when I held him, she would come over and pull on the cuff of a leg of my trousers. And when I finally put Jeruk down, she would let him know what she thought about the whole affair…I also found her often in my bed at night, and when I tried to kick her out, she would spit and hiss at me: at least, if not for female human, I must be at least the ideal type for female cats… 8)
SG
[quote]They have a desire to eat, procreate and sleep. Sure they can be affection there but only IMO on a very basic level.[/quote]
When my late grandmother was a young girl she tripped on a railway line near Auckland. She caught her ankle under the rail and could not get it out or move as it was twisted. Her Labrador tried to pull her out but could not. So it ran back home and grabbed the trousers of my great grandfather and pulled him in the direction of the train tracks, thus saving her life (and allowing me to happen if you will). That is more than very basic affection and I know there are scores of stories out there like that.
mimpimanis
Talking of animals I have 4 new fish and two new hampsters :lol:
I beleive that Marty will benefit from learning to care for pets.
I always had pets as a child, so maybe for some it is what you are used to or grew up with. I also often looked after animals for an animal rescue centre near my home, mostly, pigeons and sparrows but at one time a kestrel.
As Chilli said if we only take care of the people, what happens to the planet?
Jimbo
[quote]Jimbo, seeing things on what human does to other human beings makes it hard to believe that we are the 'more noble' animals. Even amongst family, there is often not much love [/quote]
Kadek it is not very often if at all I disagree with you but the fact is there is no such thing as a "noble" animal. They have a desire to eat, procreate and sleep. Sure they can be affection there but only IMO on a very basic level. See a pack turn on its "own" and kill it or a mating ritual that denies all of the weaker members and you will not have such a vision.
There are no animals that I am aware of outside human beings who have written great music, literature, painted great painting and given millions away in a philanthropic gesture to name but a few.
Do not get me wrong I am not anti animals (perhaps anti pets a little) but I am more pro human beings. I just wish that all of the oohs and aahs over cats and dogs was transferred to something more appropiate.
Still I understand that millions of you feel the way you do and I would defend your right to do so.
tintin
Jimbo,
Your reflex is very common, and not totally wrong. However, you can be compassionate toward BOTH human beings and animals: one does not exclude the other. Every little bit counts, but there is so much misery in the world, it's seems, and it IS hopeless.
When my cat Socrates showed up at my door, hungry and scared, how could I refuse to help him? He had been discarded or just had run away from his home. Now he needed help or he wouldn't have survived long outside. Mimi had survived somehow for a relative long time (he is very smart), but he was also condemned to a miserable life and a painful death. So, how could I not help him? I know that, when looking at the whole picture, it does not register an iota on the universe's bulletin board. However, when I knew they both were outside, in the cold, and I could do something about it, how could I turn away?
chilli
Jimbo,
Yes animals are unlike humans, animals don’t have the desire to rape, con, steal, lie, murder, gamble, run wall street, run brothels, sell drugs or destroy mother earth and ultimately themselves.
Animals love, care for their communities, provide balance to the ecology and evolve with perfection.
So if we don’t appreciate animals, why bother even appreciating any other life forms? Shall we not think much of the trees or rivers ? because they don’t produce works of art, concertos, literature or give millions away in philanthropic gesture. Trees don’t need you, you need the trees. Animals don’t need you, you need the animals. (you eat them you wear them, don’t you ?).
Please read more Jimbo, you may like to begin with Steven. J. Gould.
Any volume will do.
Our attitude to animals reflects our attitude to ourselves because
[size=7][b]we are animals ! [/b][/size]
Jimbo
[quote]Yes animals are unlike humans, animals don’t have the desire to rape, con, steal, lie, murder, gamble, run wall street, run brothels, sell drugs or destroy mother earth and ultimately themselves.
[/quote]
Chilli
I remember you leaving this forum once because of a discussion on animals and I know how strongly you feel about them. In the animal world of free live animals all of the above is practiced. They do rape con, murder and steal from each other whilst obviously they do not practice the human traits of running wall street etc.
Perhaps you will allow me to feel the same way about humans and the misery that befalls them and which I happen to believe could be alleviated by spending the money from the billions of dollars that is spent by pet lovers on their pets.
It is however my opinion and you are entitled to yours in the same way but kindly do not berate me or insult my intelligence because you have a love for animals.
We recently had a long discussion on Balinese dogs....I just happen to believe the balinese attitude is the correct one i.e indifference not deliberate cruelty.
I have no more to add on this subject as my views are well known so lets just agree to differ. Finally I am biologically a mammal but I believe the human race has risen above the animal state although I would be the first to agree it does not look like that at times. Take care.
Markit
Help me out folks OK, your noble balinese dog, that' right the one that gets all the bleeding hearted animal lovers going here on the forum.
Now there isn't a dumber animal on the planet - in the middle of a blazing hot day with 3 lanes of traffic on a 2 lane Balinese highway (I use the term loosely). Now your ratty, bug infested pooch decides the best place for a little afternoon shut-eye is middle of said highway. If that aint doggy death wish well I don't know. And you all want to protect this noble animal - well protect away... I say run em over and get it over with for the poor sons-of-bitches. :twisted:
