KaBIm
I am very pleased to read about it Mimpi. :D It is one of the few improvement recently decided by Pak Kapolri in a program named "quick win".
A first issuance of a SIM would cost just a bit more (IDR 75.000) and the applicant should go through two tests, one about theory and the other about practice. The test in itself bears a legal fee (IDR 50.000). For a renewal of a SIM, no test are required.
Please, also note that a new law concerning road and traffic circulation is about to be legalised by Pak SBY. It is much more complete than the existing one (326 articles vs 74 articles only for the existing one dating from 1992) and should help ameliorate the conditions on the road. Issuance of a first SIM could well become much harder than what it is now, and applicants will have to demonstrate that they know how to drive... and that they know the rules prevailing on the road. A lot of improvement have been also made in the future law concerning situations arising from accidents.
calitobali
[quote=Sanurian]For [b]BaliLife[/b]
[quote]
Supposedly, Bali traffic police have been instructed that 'collecting on-the-spot' fines is no longer to be tolerated. All 'infringements' are to be directed to a 'court'. I haven't had the pleasure or experience to test this, yet. If it's true, it [i]might[/i] be an improvement. No one should hold their breath too long about this...
:shock:[/quote][/quote]
I, for one hope this doesn't really go into effect. I am much happier handing over rp 20,000 instead of going into the courtroom for some stupid traffic violation. Honestly, when you go into the courtroom, you are at the mercy of the infamously corrupt Indonesian government, and I believe in the long run, you will end up having to pay much more for a real fine than the rp 20,000 that goes into that cops pocket.
ronb
[quote=calitobali] There's more important corruption to be handled than traffic violations.[/quote]
So you encourage corruption when it makes it easier for you, but presumably disapprove of the "more important" corruption. Where do you draw the line?
calitobali
I don't "approve" of corruption, but I don't really see the traffic thing as too much of a problem. Sure it sucks handing over some money to a cop for something stupid, but I would rather do that than spend my time waiting in line, showing up at an office, dealing with the government, and possibly paying more. I think most locals would agree, it works out cheaper for them as well.
Either way, whether I approve or disapprove of corruption on any level, it's not my country, so it's really not my place to go around trying to change things. All I can do is observe and go with the flow of how things work, and I have observed that things work in my favor as far as the current traffic violation system.
No approval or disapproval needed from me.
aquaman
[quote=calitobali][quote=Sanurian]For [b]BaliLife[/b]
[quote]
Supposedly, Bali traffic police have been instructed that 'collecting on-the-spot' fines is no longer to be tolerated. All 'infringements' are to be directed to a 'court'. I haven't had the pleasure or experience to test this, yet. If it's true, it [i]might[/i] be an improvement. No one should hold their breath too long about this...
:shock:[/quote][/quote]
I, for one hope this doesn't really go into effect. I am much happier handing over rp 20,000 instead of going into the courtroom for some stupid traffic violation. Honestly, when you go into the courtroom, you are at the mercy of the infamously corrupt Indonesian government, and I believe in the long run, you will end up having to pay much more for a real fine than the rp 20,000 that goes into that cops pocket.[/quote]
Wouldn't it be nice to live in a corruption free world? Never happen but cops not seeking bribes would be a good start. You might find that you don't get singled out for minor violations if there's no money in it for them. There's a well known strict city mayor in the Philippines who has decreed that any cop who seeks bribes is history and from what I hear he means it. He wants victims coming forward giving him cop IDs. The corruption, crime rate and religious violence within the city limits he controls has dropped dramatically. He may actually have gone a little far in his approach with some criminals shall we say now alledgedly permanently retired.
Anyway unless the Indo Govt get serious nothing will change. My gf had to pay off a cop for no helmut on her bike last week (couldn't have been any westerners around). He won't be retiring on her paltry bribe :lol:
KaBIm
[quote=calitobali]I, for one hope this doesn't really go into effect. I am much happier handing over rp 20,000 instead of going into the courtroom for some stupid traffic violation. Honestly, when you go into the courtroom, you are at the mercy of the infamously corrupt Indonesian government, and I believe in the long run, you will end up having to pay much more for a real fine than the rp 20,000 that goes into that cops pocket.[/quote]
For your information, you don't need to appear in court. Presence is not compulsory, and what you would have to pay is just a legal fine. You pay at the court and a receipt is issued on request.
Corruption is what you are doing by bribing a cop, giving him IDR 20.000 when you should be paying IDR 40 or 50.000 for a traffic offense. A simple question comes to my mind: would you accept in your homecountry that a foreigner indulges in such practices?
hinakos
im jumping on this one a litle late, but need to know.
Im on a 1 year business visa, and am needing to get a 1 year indonesian driving licence for a car and or motorbike (not an international)
is this possible at all , without having a Kitas?
Ive heard that if you go down to the police station with your passport, a letter (electricity bill, bank statement etc) with your home address (in Bali of course), and an adequate amount of funds this is possible.
Has anyone done this?
hinakos
A few years back the company i worked for flew me to Palembang for a 1 year car licence, but ive since severed ties with that company and was wondering if it was possible in Bali.......ill keep hunting, but thanks heaps for the info. IT seems i need to find a polda that issues licences that isnt linked in with the new computer system.
KaBIm
... a few years back you could even have a 5 years validity license, same as the indonesian citizen or KITAP holder, without even being a resident. :D
KaBIm
Unfortunately for you it becomes increasingly difficult with the fact that the system is computerised nowadays in most sections delivering SIM around the country (the system requires your KITAS number, without it the SIM won't be issued for more than 3 months). The fact that the Kapolri decided to clean the SIM procedure and the new law about road and traffic circulation is not gonna make it easier for you.
Any first issuance of a SIM should require you to produce.
- copy of your KITAS (copy)
- copy of your STM
- copy of your passport
If you have a valid International driving license, you may skip the test (though they may require you to pass the theory part).
In Indonesia, a driving license allowing you to drive cars is known as a SIM A, while a driving license allowing you to drive a motorbike is known as a SIM C. They are two different cards, two different procedures.
Still, you may find police station that are more lenient (read: corrupted), but I am afraid I can not help for that.
mimpimanis
There is a mobile SIM service. Today they were parked out in front of Carrefour. I wouldnt imagine they are computerised in the van...
gilbert de jong
Overhere in Singaraja, they (the police) have gotten a brandnew van and scooter for practice exams. Haven't seen anyone else in or on it exept for the police themself :lol: :lol:
KaBIm
[quote=mimpimanis]There is a mobile SIM service. Today they were parked out in front of Carrefour. I wouldnt imagine they are computerised in the van...[/quote]
Normally the van don't deal with first issuance of SIM, but only renewal, where less paperwork and no test are required. For renewal, the system is requiring less information. However, for "bule" SIM, they usually ask you to go to the office.
KaBIm
[quote=gilbert de jong]Overhere in Singaraja, they (the police) have gotten a brandnew van and scooter for practice exams. Haven't seen anyone else in or on it exept for the police themself :lol: :lol:[/quote]
Same here. I have seen quite a few times policemen demonstrating to a young crowd what to do, but have seen only very few of the applicants practising. When I renewed my last SIM C, I did the test. Only three young guys did the same... however we were at least 30 to do the "theory test"... Wonder why? :D
borborigmus
Just as guide to local prices, I sent my pembantu off to the Poltabes in Denpasar to get her motorcycle licence - I wasn't that comfortable about her riding my bike without one! :-)
Total cost - 185,000 Rph. And there is no 'calo' (middleman) permitted there now, so don't bother taking your immigration agent or someone else to help - they won't be allowed in.
Local wisdom says that you can ask the parking guy at the Poltabes to help - apparently he has been appropriately annointed and is allowed in! But no doubt, there would be a small 'administration fee' ...
borborgimus - my Bali newbie expat blog is at
http://borborigmus.wordpress.com
mimpimanis
I had already said nobody else is allowed in the office now. I paid a total of Rp85,000 (including health check) for the renewal of a car licence. A new licence was only a little more as I recall. Kabims info says a new SIM costs p75,000. so it still sounds like your pembantu paid about Rp100,000 too much to me.
Jimbo
Perhaps y she did not pay it or am i being too cynical
mimpimanis
That was my thought Jimbo.
