spitfire
I have paid Rp. 300.000 per licence every year with my "regular policeman" at Poltabes DPS. I take SIM A and C and my wife SIM A. Very expensive every year compared to Europe, but it seems to be the going rate when I hear other people as well.
We have never needed to show our Dutch licence, in fact I don't even have a Dutch motorcycle licence, but I have one here! Maybe I can get motorcycle added to my Dutch one now when I go to Holland??? hahah....probably not.
mimpimanis
Spitfire, I dont know if I needed my UK licence or not but I wanted to make sure I didnt have to be tested. They do do the tests there, we enquired. Having not driven much in the last 10 years I didnt fancy my first trip out to be on the roads of Denpasar for a test? Infact I wouldnt even drive the car back from the dealers, I had them deliver it! But as it happens it feels like I have never been away from the wheel. I am much happier and more confident in the car then I ever was on a bike!
Sanurian
Last year there were "10,000" traffic accidents in Bali. Most involved motorbikes. One "official" report I read said the number of actual fatalities had decreased slightly. It didn't mention how many banged-up people there were in hospitals or waiting for wheel-chairs, etc.
The "10,000" is probably an underestimate. My calculator puts that figure at 27 a day, or, just over one every hour. Bali is a relatively small island.
Have you ever noticed how many normally "laid-back" Balinese turn into speed freaks behind the wheel of their car, truck? Motor-bike riders are another thing again.
I often wonder why they seem to be in such a hurry?
Young children breaking every "law" imaginable and getting away with it, need to be stopped. Period. No excuses allowed.
I would suggest arresting and charging their parents, older siblings, or whoever the idiots are that allow the youngsters access to vehicles in the first place. Maybe I'm old-fashioned like that.
:roll:
nomad4ever
There is an article in the recent Bali Times, which claims, that it should be possible to get a SIM extension for Rp. 60.000 following a new programme to improve the handouts of those. There should be as well a Driving License center established in the former Kuta Police station, to reduce the workload from Denpasar.
Can anyone confirm this? For 60K Rupiah I would probably change my mind and get one as well...
Sanurian
I haven't read the article in [i]The Bali Times[/i] you refer to, [b]nomd4ever[/b],
[quote]...which claims, that it should be possible to get a SIM extension for Rp. 60.000...[/quote]
Nevertheless, what you've said refers to an "extension", presumably for people who already [b]have[/b] a licence, (usually locals).
As far as I know, foreigners who want to apply for a one-year licence need to have a KITAS.
:D
Roy
[quote]Bottom line is that a foreigner cannot own a car in Indonesia, even with a KITAS. [/quote]
OK, so please quote the source, (assuming it's reliable and accurate) that now stipulates that please!
SG
Also keen to know the details about Rp60K renewal as my license expires in one month. I believe there is a mobile bus that does it in Denpasar?????
mimpimanis
Sanurgirl I dont know about the ownership laws for foreigners the car is in my husbands name so not a problem for me.
SG I saw the mobile van in Kerbrokan once. I understand it moves around, maybe we should all keep an eye out for it for you.
SanurGirl
Mimpi,
This ground has been covered before in an earlier post but I have been through the car ownership thing myself. I assume that you will be using a Company or a Nominee for ownership? Bottom line is that a foreigner cannot own a car in Indonesia, even with a KITAS. I don't even have a KITAS as I just come and go to my home here from Hong Kong for a maximum of a week or so.
Interestingly, Indonesian friends who have a KTP in Jakarta ALSO cannot own cars in Bali or anywhere else other than the point of residence. Imagine that? It's also getting more difficult to buy a KTP without a Surat Pindah issued by the Lurah, according to the same friends.
Why would any country want to prevent people from buying cars? Especially with the high sales and import taxes and the annual fees which are relatively efficiently managed and go directly into State coffers?
For me, after I ran the numbers, there wasn't much difference in cost between renting when here and buying in the name of a nominee. Circumstances will vary of course.
SG
[quote=SanurGirl]
This ground has been covered before in an earlier post but I have been through the car ownership thing myself. I assume that you will be using a Company or a Nominee for ownership? Bottom line is that a foreigner cannot own a car in Indonesia, even with a KITAS. [/quote]
Not so sure about this anymore..the last car I owned here was in my name, and as I recall had my KITAS where the KTP exists normally in the book. I bought it off a policeman and he and a Balinese friend handled it all. When I sold it there was no problem either as I remember (it was two years back and I think I just had to sign something but can't recall exactly).
The current car is on finance so it's in the name of the finance company but they tell me that they will transfer it to me on final payment.
So I'd be keen to see a current source for that too.
Jimbo
[quote]SG I saw the mobile van in Kerbrokan once. I understand it moves around[/quote]
:D :D :D :D
Roy
[quote]The current car is on finance... [/quote]
Congrats, (Selamat) Simon and best of luck to you both.
mimpimanis
OMG Jimbo - did I say that?? :lol: :lol: :lol:
What can I say except I am distracted as Marty has a fever and woke at 11pm not going back to sleep till nearly 5am - and me with him. Then up again at 7am to go to the doctor. I dont function well when I am tired.
SG
[quote=Roy][quote]The current car is on finance... [/quote]
Congrats, (Selamat) Simon and best of luck to you both.[/quote]
Why do you say that Roy?
It makes sense for me as I can claim all payments 100% against my offshore company tax and it frees up my cashflow in Indonesia. And then also claim all maintenance and fuel costs.
Roy
Good grief! I must have caught something from Mimpi! I thought what you had written was "the current car is on fiance!" :oops: As is, your current car is in your fiance's name! Sorry mate, as I recall now that you are already married.
SG
[quote=Roy]Good grief! I must have caught something from Mimpi! I thought what you had written was "the current car is on fiance!" :oops: As is, your current car is in your fiance's name! Sorry mate, as I recall now that you are already married.[/quote]
Ha, that's funny!
mimpimanis
Now I am confused as I thought that comment was at SG has he responded - and I didnt understand it even then :oops:
mimpimanis
I just thought I would update this thread as I renewed my licence today.
The first change I noticed was there were no police jumping on me when I arrived to take me upstairs to the little office to arrange my SIM for me.... so I figured OK I will do it myself.
I went firstly to the main office where everything happens...and they sent me off to get my eyes tested and my blood pressure checked. All ok. Cost Rp25,000.
Back to the main office where they have a flow chart of the steps of getting or renewing a licence, the fees and how long it all takes. The time they quote for extending is 45 minutes. For a new licence 25 minutes.
One window to pay the fee(Rp60,000), another to get a form, fill in the form, another window to get the form checked, into one room to get your photo taken and finger printed and give your signature, another window to drop off your folder and a few minutes later your name called with the completed SIM.
On the clock in the car it took exactly 45 minutes from our arrival to departure.
Total cost Rp85,000.
Only the person getting the SIM is allowed in the office (though they did let Martin in with me when he started crying outside)
Jimbo
Good for you mimps :D
calitobali
Well the fact that I don't actually have to appear in court changes the way I look at it. I would still rather pay an on the spot fine of 20,000 rather than have to show up somewhere and pay twice as much. There's more important corruption to be handled than traffic violations.
