Shadrach
And more "details"...[URL]https://thebalisun.com/north-bali-international-airport-development-would-see-new-city-built-on-island/[/URL]The airport will be build on land but the runway on reclaimed area from the seaMake more sense than an artificial island !And just throw in a new city as well !"...has revealed more details about the North Bali Airport Project, including details regarding the 'aerotropolis' a new city that will be built around the airport on community-owned land.According to Hariwibowo, the land use has been approved by thirteen traditional village leaders in the Kubutambahan area.He was clear that PT BIBU Panji Sakti would not buy community land but would collaborate with the profit-sharing system. He noted, "What does it mean? This is a new concept of cooperation. The land is not lost, the [ownership] certificate is still theirs."That is sure going to work smoothly....over the next 50 years ?[/QUOTE]You don't seem to address who is going to build all of huge new project? The Chinese, Javanese, etc. I certainly don't think many Balinese are trained enough in this line of work.
YachtRock
Going back to the subject of how is Bali going to deal with the population explosion? The roads now are getting so crowded, it takes twice as long to get anywhere. It seems to me there needs to be bypasses built through the center of Bali now. Having to travel on the small roads through the towns and villages is getting ridiculously slow. Making a toll road will not solve the problem, to get to Mengwi, Ubud, Bedagul, area. Unfortunately, there will be a need for rice fields and village to accommodate this change. I saw this happen in America, when they built the freeway system. People were forced to sell their land. There really needs to be professional people working on this problem here in Bali NOW! It is more important than building a new airport. Maybe build an overhead road above the new bypass? Let's hear some positive ideas anyone?[/QUOTE]Overhead road is not possible due to the temples. Cannot build something higher than a temple or something like that. I have a friend who worked on the Mengwi toll road. She said the reason for all the delays is that that the original proposed route goes through several temples and they are unable to move them so they have to build around them. The religion holds back the infrastructure so much in Bali.A quick fix would be limiting the amount of Grab/Gojek drivers. Everybody and their uncle is coming to Bali now with a rented car to work as a driver. I would gladly pay higher fees if it meant less drivers on the road. This needs to be regulated.
Balifrog
A quick fix would be limiting the amount of Grab/Gojek drivers. Everybody and their uncle is coming to Bali now with a rented car to work as a driver. I would gladly pay higher fees if it meant less drivers on the road. This needs to be regulated.[/QUOTE]As a daily user, I disagree.Why most of the Grab, Gojek or Bluebird drivers are Javanese ? Because Balinese don't want to do it, they prefer to be "transport" for tourist at 400k 1/2 day or 800 to 900k for 8 hours....And if possible trick the tourist for more.The number of tourist is not the real problem. The place is developping, people have more money, they buy more bikes and cars.Even over 7 years I can see it.Note how many locals have expensive pets now, pet shops everywhere ...because the locals have more money.And don't ask an Indonesian to walk 100m under the sun....need the car or the bike !
YachtRock
As a daily user, I disagree.Why most of the Grab, Gojek or Bluebird drivers are Javanese ? Because Balinese don't want to do it, they prefer to be "transport" for tourist at 400k 1/2 day or 800 to 900k for 8 hours....And if possible trick the tourist for more.The number of tourist is not the real problem. The place is developping, people have more money, they buy more bikes and cars.Even over 7 years I can see it.Note how many locals have expensive pets now, pet shops everywhere ...because the locals have more money.And don't ask an Indonesian to walk 100m under the sun....need the car or the bike ![/QUOTE]I'm not saying kick all the Javanese out. Just need to limit how many people get approved to be Gojek or Grab drivers. Bali will never have the infrastructure to support all these people. So the only option is to reduce the number of cars on the road.
Markit
Having lived here through 3 (count them, earthquakes, volcanoes, pandemic) tourist boom and busts I can fully understand why they are so reticent to invest huge sums in what could change again completely tomorrow.
Shadrach
I'm not saying kick all the Javanese out. Just need to limit how many people get approved to be Gojek or Grab drivers. Bali will never have the infrastructure to support all these people. So the only option is to reduce the number of cars on the road.[/QUOTE]Yea, that's like saying hey everybody don't have so many children, and telling the Javanese to stay home and chase money. Hah! Having lived here through 3 (count them, earthquakes, volcanoes, pandemic) tourist boom and busts I can fully understand why they are so reticent to invest huge sums in what could change again completely tomorrow.[/QUOTE]So what are you saying, just do nothing while the population booms, and the traffic gets more and more congested? A central bypass has to be built!
AuroraB
Going back to the subject of how is Bali going to deal with the population explosion? The roads now are getting so crowded, it takes twice as long to get anywhere. It seems to me there needs to be bypasses built through the center of Bali now. Having to travel on the small roads through the towns and villages is getting ridiculously slow. Making a toll road will not solve the problem, to get to Mengwi, Ubud, Bedagul, area. Unfortunately, there will be a need for rice fields and village to accommodate this change. I saw this happen in America, when they built the freeway system. People were forced to sell their land. There really needs to be professional people working on this problem here in Bali NOW! It is more important than building a new airport. Maybe build an overhead road above the new bypass? Let's hear some positive ideas anyone?[/QUOTE]The Balinese have no money to do anything -- all income just vanish into thin air. That is why this north Bali airport is promoted as a US$ 3Bn "private" pipe dream. Let see if they can get the Gilimanuk to Mengwi tollroad to re-start and progress; an unsurmountable task as they have not secured land rights.
Shadrach
AThe Balinese have no money to do anything -- all income just vanish into thin air. That is why this north Bali airport is promoted as a US$ 3Bn "private" pipe dream. Let see if they can get the Gilimanuk to Mengwi tollroad to re-start and progress; an unsurmountable task as they have not secured land rights.I said before,[/QUOTE]As I mentioned before, when they built the interstate freeway system in America, the Government forced people to sell their land. Whatever is done here, the point is, something has to be done! Bali needs a central bypass system to connect the bypass in Sanur to a bypass, that goes through central Bali, all the way North. It's only a matter of time. When it starts to take 4 hours or more, to get from Ubud to the Airport, people will crack! This also should not be a toll road, unless everyone can afford it! This is far more important than building a new Northern airport. There obviously was no planning for the traffic today. The roads are too small for these big SUV's and thousands of motorbikes. With the population growing, and the influx of other islanders, it is only to get worse and worse. Lets try to think ahead and clean up the Island from all the rubbish, and develop a better designed Traffic infrastructure. No one wants to come see an island where the streets, rivers, and beaches, are strewn full of plastic. The people in charge, such as Hotels owners, Banjars, Kepala Desa's, Schools, , should make this a priority to educate the people and children here.
Markit
You can limit access to anything in 2 ways:1) raise the price until the demand goes down OR2) allow any and all visitors until demand goes down because it's overrun and fecking awful there. I'm a little puzzled why the world seems to only chose method 2 (except for the Seychelle islands).
Shadrach
You can limit access to anything in 2 ways:1) raise the price until the demand goes downOR2) allow any and all visitors until demand goes down because it's overrun and fecking awful there.I'm a little puzzled why the world seems to only chose method 2 (except for the Seychelle islands).[/QUOTE]Is it because they chose method 1?
Markit
Is it because they chose method 1?[/QUOTE]Seychelles? yup - [URL]https://seeafricatoday.com/travel-guides/is-seychelles-expensive-all-you-need-to-know/[/URL]they made a conscious choice to only cater to the upper end of the tourism market. So they have lower numbers with high returns. Seems pretty clever to me...
Balifrog
Well, somebody has another genius idea to solve the traffic problem.....[URL]https://thebalisun.com/radical-new-rules-could-help-tackle-tourist-traffic-in-bali-this-christmas/[/URL]Bedides that, proofreading is not The Bali Sun's strong point....."Politicians in Bali are proposing [B]racial[/B] changes to traffic rules that could help combat travel chaos on the roads this Christmas and New Year."
harryopal1
Where international destinations become overwhelmed it would seem the only way to effectively control that would be to limit entry as now happens around the world with many national parks. But given that perhaps the most powerful lobby group would be the hotel industry where profit is everything it seems unlikely this will ever happen. Stopping personal vehicles from entry would have some effect with the consquence of many more people coming by plane or ferry but once arriving in Bali transport will be needed to shift people creating a demand for more Balinese cars and buses. Meanwhile the approaches to and from the airport will get worse. That would also mean that the majority of visitors will only be the well off. The costs of infrastructure are covered by the whole of society and not just funded by money from the wealthy. This effectively means ordinary low income people are partially subsidizing the recreational travel activities of the upper class. Mt Agung might do us all a favour by becoming much more active and unpredictable.[ATTACH type="full"]4177[/ATTACH]
