North Bali Airport Article

Chris A

Another one from the rag The Bali Sun. [URL='https://thebalisun.com/north-bali-airport-could-be-sidelined-further-despite-presidential-election-promises/']North Bali Airport Article[/URL]FWiW, I'm a bit agnostic over the building of a new airport in the North. The purpose of this posting is to highlight some of the thought processes and rationale used when studying issues and developing solutions. If you were to ever wonder why Bali has some of the issues it has with few meaningful solutions, look no further than some of the opinions of the guys making decisions in the article. Then again, maybe something was lost in the translation....

Markit

They started talking about the New Northern Airport about 15 minutes after the rebuild of the "new" airport was finished. A suspiciously short enough time to make one suspect they'd made some dosh on the new airport and wanted to select/copy/paste it again in the north. I'd love to hear about the number of times and places land has be speculated upon since then, from Lovina to Kubu in the north-east. It's all a game and they really need an adult in the room. I don't have great faith in the new tourism minister as she's been working with daddy for yonks and then moved into gov to get this job not so long ago= scads of experience, Not!

Balifrog

Well, they're gonna need some serious dosh..Between the new railway system, new subway system, new electric bus system, new highway over the sea and a new airport I'am not sure the 280 million Indonesians will be OK to spend that much to profit to only 4,4 million Balinese plus a bunch of foreigners !

Markit

Balifrog

Shadrach

The Chinese will be footing that bill I suspect as they want to get their hands on Indonesia's nickel ore.[/QUOTE]I think it's a foolish move to allow China to come in and build all these new facilities. They are not doing this out of generosity or kindness. Once they do this, they will have control over Indonesian decisions, and government. It's like having the fox, build the henhouse!

AuroraB

The Balinese cornered by the Javanese and Chinese according to this article. Not even acting gov. knew that a MOU already signed between a Javanese company for new airport with Chinese providing USD 3 Bn funding.[URL]https://bali.tribunnews.com/2024/11/13/ada-apa-pj-gubernur-bali-tak-tahu-ada-mou-pembangunan-bandara-bali-utara-dengan-china[/URL]

Balifrog

AThe Balinese cornered by the Javanese and Chinese according to this article. Not even acting gov. knew that a MOU already signed between a Javanese company for new airport with Chinese providing USD 3 Bn funding.[URL]https://bali.tribunnews.com/2024/11/13/ada-apa-pj-gubernur-bali-tak-tahu-ada-mou-pembangunan-bandara-bali-utara-dengan-china[/URL][/QUOTE]An MOU is not legally binding.And moreover :Legal Position of Memorandum of Understanding in IndonesiaIn the Indonesian laws and regulations, [B]there are no provisions that specifically regulate the MoU[/B].

Balifrog

Shadrach

An artificial island + a runway + the terminal, all ready for 2027....And 200,000 workers... hahaha"The target is to complete one runway in 2027 because at that time it was predicted that Airport Ngurah Rai would be very full, so we are chasing that in 2027 one runway must be completed and immediately operational, with a workforce absorption of around 200,000 people."[/QUOTE]In their dreams! And the only qualified workers for a project like this would definitely not be Balinese! This means more crowded roads with more people from outside Bali. And another one...[URL]https://thebalisun.com/major-infrastructure-developments-set-to-change-face-of-bali-tourism-by-2027/[/URL]BTW, if the new North-South tollway will allow crossing the island in 30 min, why the need for an airport in the North ?They want to build it on an artifial island....they really like challenges ![/QUOTE]When is this new toll North-South road going to be built? I would love to be able to get to Sanur, Airport, Kuta, area in 30 mins. From Ubud area. Hah, another pipe dream for sure!

YachtRock

More from the great Bali Sun....[URL]https://thebalisun.com/bali-governor-candidates-give-updates-on-controversial-presidential-statements/[/URL]He stated clearly, "We will make Bali make the new Singapore and Hong Kong, where we will be the center of this region."Not sure that's what the locals want....Anyway, it's a pipedream....[/QUOTE]Pick up a history book. The central powers in Jakarta have never done what the Balinese locals wanted since they took over from the Dutch. Tourism was thrust on this island against the will of the Balinese and there is no turning back now. Bali is Jakarta's little pet and they will do whatever Jakarta wants them to do or face the consequences.

YachtRock

And another one...[URL]https://thebalisun.com/major-infrastructure-developments-set-to-change-face-of-bali-tourism-by-2027/[/URL]BTW, if the new North-South tollway will allow crossing the island in 30 min, why the need for an airport in the North ?They want to build it on an artifial island....they really like challenges ![/QUOTE]The current airport is already operating at max capacity. Was flying in from overseas last week and we spend almost 45 minutes circling around Nusa Penida waiting for space to open up for landing. Then there is the parking situation, the traffic and the overall congestion inside the airport...it's fucked. No room to just make a bigger airport either so the only two options are:1. Put a cap on how many tourists will enter Bali each year (my choice but I know will never happen because you know, greed)2. Build a second airport to diversify the congestion

Balifrog

The current airport is already operating at max capacity. Was flying in from overseas last week and we spend almost 45 minutes circling around Nusa Penida waiting for space to open up for landing. Then there is the parking situation, the traffic and the overall congestion inside the airport...it's fucked. No room to just make a bigger airport either so the only two options are:1. Put a cap on how many tourists will enter Bali each year (my choice but I know will never happen because you know, greed)2. Build a second airport to diversify the congestion[/QUOTE]Choice #1 would be best but...Never looked into the sunject, geography or geology but what about the possibility of expanding the actual airport by gaining on the sea (c/f Hong Kong).Easier than a completely new artificial island.I agree that parking, pick up and taxi at the actual airport are a mess !

YachtRock

Choice #1 would be best but...Never looked into the sunject, geography or geology but what about the possibility of expanding the actual airport by gaining on the sea (c/f Hong Kong).Easier than a completely new artificial island.I agree that parking, pick up and taxi at the actual airport are a mess ![/QUOTE]I could be wrong, but I believe I read somewhere they looked into expanding the current airport into the sea but the environmental damage was too big a risk - I know, since when has Indonesia ever cared about the environment - but apparently, that was the deciding factor in not expanding the current airport.

Balifrog

I could be wrong, but I believe I read somewhere they looked into expanding the current airport into the sea but the environmental damage was too big a risk - I know, since when has Indonesia ever cared about the environment - but apparently, that was the deciding factor in not expanding the current airport.[/QUOTE]This environmental B.S. is ridicilous.Specially when you look all around you here.When we started projecting an artificial island in HKG for the HK - Zhuhai - Macao bridge project, one of the MAIN problems was "yes, but this is the location of breeding for the white dolphins" , followed by hours of B.S. I once dared to say "dolphins are smart animals, when they'll hear the noise of our equipment they'll move on and go breed somewhere more peacefully" I was looked at with shock and horror like I had just expressed some blasphemy.After much delay and show the thing was build and the dolphins moved on.

Shadrach

The entire island is becoming an overcrowded mess. I saw this coming thirty years ago. I knew the people would have children, then those children have more, and it keeps repeating. Now with more wealth, and credit, everyone can buy a car and motorbikes for the kids. Plus all the people from other islands flooding Bali to chase money. Gojek, and Grab are a big mistake. The drivers make little money, but the bosses make a fortune. It also takes away money from local taxi drivers. All of Bali needs a major overhaul of the infrastructure, and roads! Is it even possible to create an efficient public transportation system . Remember Bemo's?

Balifrog

IThe entire island is becoming an overcrowded mess. I saw this coming thirty years ago. I knew the people would have children, then those children have more, and it keeps repeating. Now with more wealth, and credit, everyone can buy a car and motorbikes for the kids. Plus all the people from other islands flooding Bali to chase money. Gojek, and Grab are a big mistake. The drivers make little money, but the bosses make a fortune. It also takes away money from local taxi drivers. All of Bali needs a major overhaul of the infrastructure, and roads!Is it even possible to create an efficient public transportation system . Remember Bemo's?[/QUOTE] I agree except for the taxi subject !Do you ever use them ? Grab, Gocar or Bluebird, they are great and cheap.Drivers make a decent living, if not they wouldn't do it !Do you even know how they are paid ?And I hope their presence will eliminate the local taxi mafia, which I carefully avoid.Concerning Bali having changed, well my village in France has changed also during the last 30 years, and not everything is in the good direction.Population has nearly doubled in 40 years..."The population of Ars (33740) has evolved over the years as follows:[LIST][*][B]1982[/B]: 3,051 people[*][B]1990[/B]: 3,911 people[*][B]1999[/B]: 4,680 people[*][B]2007[/B]: 5,472 people [/LIST]As of November 2024, the population of Ars is 5,966 people, with a median age of 54 years. The population density is 122 people per square kilometer"

Balifrog

And more "details"...[URL]https://thebalisun.com/north-bali-international-airport-development-would-see-new-city-built-on-island/[/URL]The airport will be build on land but the runway on reclaimed area from the seaMake more sense than an artificial island !And just throw in a new city as well !"...has revealed more details about the North Bali Airport Project, including details regarding the 'aerotropolis' a new city that will be built around the airport on community-owned land.According to Hariwibowo, the land use has been approved by thirteen traditional village leaders in the Kubutambahan area.He was clear that PT BIBU Panji Sakti would not buy community land but would collaborate with the profit-sharing system. He noted, "What does it mean? This is a new concept of cooperation. The land is not lost, the [ownership] certificate is still theirs."That is sure going to work smoothly....over the next 50 years ?

Shadrach

I I agree except for the taxi subject !Do you ever use them ? Grab, Gocar or Bluebird, they are great and cheap.Drivers make a decent living, if not they wouldn't do it !Do you even know how they are paid ?And I hope their presence will eliminate the local taxi mafia, which I carefully avoid.Concerning Bali having changed, well my village in France has changed also during the last 30 years, and not everything is in the good direction.Population has nearly doubled in 40 years..."The population of Ars (33740) has evolved over the years as follows:[LIST][*][B]1982[/B]: 3,051 people[*][B]1990[/B]: 3,911 people[*][B]1999[/B]: 4,680 people[*][B]2007[/B]: 5,472 people[/LIST]As of November 2024, the population of Ars is 5,966 people, with a median age of 54 years. The population density is 122 people per square kilometer"[/QUOTE]Going back to the subject of how is Bali going to deal with the population explosion? The roads now are getting so crowded, it takes twice as long to get anywhere. It seems to me there needs to be bypasses built through the center of Bali now. Having to travel on the small roads through the towns and villages is getting ridiculously slow. Making a toll road will not solve the problem, to get to Mengwi, Ubud, Bedagul, area. Unfortunately, there will be a need for rice fields and village to accommodate this change. I saw this happen in America, when they built the freeway system. People were forced to sell their land. There really needs to be professional people working on this problem here in Bali NOW! It is more important than building a new airport. Maybe build an overhead road above the new bypass? Let's hear some positive ideas anyone?