Bureaucracies

harryopal

With our 5 lease expired and having to move, we moved 45 metres away. Troublesome enough but now the paper work. 16 documents required just to formalize the change of address plus visits to various offices. I am also making application for "permanent" Kitap. Most of the documents required had already been given when applying for Kitas and then Kitap. Applying for a permanent visa for my wife in Australia left with us with a folder about two inches thick. But at least most of the process could be done on line. Completion of on line applications here seems to be fraught with problems so we are going through the Denpasar Immigration office. However, whenever I get caught up in these processes I can't help but think of the millions of refugees around the world without documents and strugglings for residential permits that far too often take beyond 10 years to process.Pre 1924 Franz Kafka wrote tellingly about the incomprehensible nature of bureaucratic powers. Pity he is not around today to follow up on his favourite themes.

harryopal

Just received advice that our application for "permanent" residence and Merp has been completed and we can pick up our passport. Basically two months which, given that the application goes to Jakarta and we have had Ramadan, Eid and Mudik, seems not too bad. As we are living on the Island of the Gods, thanks to whichever or all of the Gods which got us through.

Markit

Shadrach

Hey good luck Harryopal and Markit, what is Merp? I have to give my passport back to my agent this month to renew my kitas next month. This will be the third or forth time. When can I apply for kipas? I am not married

Shadrach

harryopal

Could you please bullit point the process and costs? I'm on my 5 year, about half way through so what should I do and when?[/QUOTE]My previous KITAP was to expire on the 4th of July. My wife and I lodged a new the application about March 10 at the Jimbaran immigration offices. (No agent.) We were asked why I was applying so early and explained I might need to visit Australia and was concerned that if I returned late then there may not be time to make the new application before the existing KITAP expired. This explanation was accepted. Cost was 12Juta for "permanent" Kitap and Merp. It took 3 visits with the last one being photograph and fingerprints. Basically my WNI wife did all the paper work. As I recall, on our first visit we were given a pamphlet which details all the documents required. It all has to be presented in a folder. I make a habit of numbering each document on the top of the page and then have a covering page at the beginning of the folder showing the numbers and the name of the documents. I have seen officials going backwards and forwards through documents trying to find a particular document in an order that they have in mind. The whole process is expedited by having that covering page with numbers and names of documents. We are visiting the Jimbaran office on Monday to pick up the passport and Merp. I now have to make sure I live more than 5 years to make it worthwhile to have paid the extra for the "permanent" Kitap.I hope this covers the information you are seeking.Below is a list I had previously copied off this website but given changes that occur I would suggest best to visit an immigration office and get the printed pamphlet.Perpanjanan IMK Kitap1 Surat Pemohonan2 Surat Pernyataan dan jaminan3 Surat integrasi4 KTP Penjamin5 KK Pejamin6 NPWP Penjamin7 Karti Kitap8 Paspor WNA9 KTP WNA10 Buku nikah / akta nikah11 Surat Keterangan menikah dari KBRI jika menikah di luar Indonesia.12 Surat Keterangan menikah dari disdukcapil (Jika menikah di luar IndonesiaAjuhkan permohonan peroanjangan KITAPmelalui situshttp:/izintinggal-online.imigrasi.gp.id*bawa dokumen asli

harryopal

Hey great for you both. I have to give my passport back to my agent this month to renew my kitas next month. It seems you have to wait 5 years to apply for the kipas visa. Is this true? This will be my third renewal. I am not married and only rent a hotel room. I live on disability so no more work. Do you think I can apply later on? What would I need?[/QUOTE]Dennis, I am pretty sure you can apply for KITAP as soon as you have KITAS and you do not have to wait 5 years. However, I have KITAP sponsored by my WNI wife. Who has been your sponsor? Perhaps your agent who has a vested interest renewing KITAS but I am not quite sure about the rules if you are sponsored by an agent. It seems once you are with an agent you have to keep using the same agent and they can pretty well charge what they want. Hopefully someone else who has used an agent can you give you more reliable advice.

Shadrach

HDennis, I am pretty sure you can apply for KITAP as soon as you have KITAS and you do not have to wait 5 years. However, I have KITAP sponsored by my WNI wife. Who has been your sponsor? Perhaps your agent who has a vested interest renewing KITAS but I am not quite sure about the rules if you are sponsored by an agent. It seems once you are with an agent you have to keep using the same agent and they can pretty well charge what they want. Hopefully someone else who has used an agent can you give you more reliable advice.[/QUOTE]Hi Harryopal, thanks for responding. Actually I am happy at the moment with the yearly Kitas . I don't understand your description of your wife. What is WNI? I have been using the same agent for many years and I think he has been very reasonable. I will stay with him for now. I think I have given enough information to keep everything flowing with all the requirements. I will see in a month.

harryopal

Warga Negara Indonesia) noun1. [I]citizen of Indonesia[/I]

Shadrach

My previous KITAP was to expire on the 4th of July. My wife and I lodged a new the application about March 10 at the Jimbaran immigration offices. (No agent.) We were asked why I was applying so early and explained I might need to visit Australia and was concerned that if I returned late then there may not be time to make the new application before the existing KITAP expired. This explanation was accepted. Cost was 12Juta for "permanent" Kitap and Merp. It took 3 visits with the last one being photograph and fingerprints.Basically my WNI wife did all the paper work. As I recall, on our first visit we were given a pamphlet which details all the documents required.It all has to be presented in a folder. I make a habit of numbering each document on the top of the page and then have a covering page at the beginning of the folder showing the numbers and the name of the documents. I have seen officials going backwards and forwards through documents trying to find a particular document in an order that they have in mind. The whole process is expedited by having that covering page with numbers and names of documents.We are visiting the Jimbaran office on Monday to pick up the passport and Merp. I now have to make sure I live more than 5 years to make it worthwhile to have paid the extra for the "permanent" Kitap.I hope this covers the information you are seeking.Below is a list I had previously copied off this website but given changes that occur I would suggest best to visit an immigration office and get the printed pamphlet.Perpanjanan IMK Kitap1 Surat Pemohonan2 Surat Pernyataan dan jaminan3 Surat integrasi4 KTP Penjamin5 KK Pejamin6 NPWP Penjamin7 Karti Kitap8 Paspor WNA9 KTP WNA10 Buku nikah / akta nikah11 Surat Keterangan menikah dari KBRI jika menikah di luar Indonesia.Warga Negara Indonesia) noun1. [I]citizen of Indonesia[/I][/QUOTE]12 Surat Keterangan menikah dari disdukcapil (Jika menikah di luar IndonesiaAjuhkan permohonan peroanjangan KITAPmelalui situshttp:/izintinggal-online.imigrasi.gp.id*bawa dokumen asli[/QUOTE]Wow what a complicated bunch of stuff to deal with. I don't understand all these requirements or the language at all. Your wife must be great at this or you have a good lawyer. I am no way ready for this. Thanks, Dennis

Markit

My previous KITAP was to expire on the 4th of July. My wife and I lodged a new the application about March 10 at the Jimbaran immigration offices. (No agent.) We were asked why I was applying so early and explained I might need to visit Australia and was concerned that if I returned late then there may not be time to make the new application before the existing KITAP expired. This explanation was accepted. Cost was 12Juta for "permanent" Kitap and Merp. It took 3 visits with the last one being photograph and fingerprints.Basically my WNI wife did all the paper work. As I recall, on our first visit we were given a pamphlet which details all the documents required.It all has to be presented in a folder. I make a habit of numbering each document on the top of the page and then have a covering page at the beginning of the folder showing the numbers and the name of the documents. I have seen officials going backwards and forwards through documents trying to find a particular document in an order that they have in mind. The whole process is expedited by having that covering page with numbers and names of documents.We are visiting the Jimbaran office on Monday to pick up the passport and Merp. I now have to make sure I live more than 5 years to make it worthwhile to have paid the extra for the "permanent" Kitap.I hope this covers the information you are seeking.Below is a list I had previously copied off this website but given changes that occur I would suggest best to visit an immigration office and get the printed pamphlet.Perpanjanan IMK Kitap1 Surat Pemohonan2 Surat Pernyataan dan jaminan3 Surat integrasi4 KTP Penjamin5 KK Pejamin6 NPWP Penjamin7 Karti Kitap8 Paspor WNA9 KTP WNA10 Buku nikah / akta nikah11 Surat Keterangan menikah dari KBRI jika menikah di luar Indonesia.12 Surat Keterangan menikah dari disdukcapil (Jika menikah di luar IndonesiaAjuhkan permohonan peroanjangan KITAPmelalui situshttp:/izintinggal-online.imigrasi.gp.id*bawa dokumen asli[/QUOTE]I'll pop round the immi next time I go by Singaraja. Actually all of them will have the paper I need so thanks!

harryopal

Arrived at Immigration today near lunch time. Probably not good timing. Waited just under 2 hours then signed for passport, MERP and permanent Kitap card. Just report in 5 years, if we live that long (taps skull) touch wood.[ATTACH type="full"]3712[/ATTACH]

Shadrach

Markit

harryopal

That's nice Harryopal. Luckily you had help dealing with all the paper work. From your description. It is way over my head. I asked you before what is Merp? Did you have to have a lawyer to complete this or just your wife? That's nice you don't have to go back for five years. That is something at the moment I don't know if I want. After hurting my leg and dealing with the hospital, and trying to get locals to help me. I find myself very vulnerable to life here on my own. Where I am staying it is hard to find people that want to help. They are busy or don't want to make money, or help an ailing tourist, Or are caught up in their ceremonies. There is a big lack of communication. I see in their culture they don't like confrontation, so they just ignore you and act like everything is fine.I see I am thinking from my western point of view and having expectations that if someone says they are going to do something or be somewhere at a certain time they will be there or do that. I just have to accept here it is Jam Karet. Here someone can lie and call it joking! Berchanda as they call it. Thats hard for my Western mind to be able to get around. I think I am taking life to seriously now so I will say see you later Alligator. Peace all[/QUOTE]Sorry I missed the MERP question. Multiple exit and return visa. Good for two years. If you have no travel plans you are not compelled to have one, however if you leave without a MERP your Kitas or Kitap becomes invalid for return and you have to start the process all over again.No lawyers or agents. My Indonesian wife handles all the paper work. Got her a new scooter at the end of the first time around for Kitas. I had processed the paper work in Australia for her permanent residence. Application fee was then $3500 (dearer now) and took about 2 years. Finished with a folder about 2" thick. But at least it could be done on line, Living in northern Queensland. We had to provide evidence that we had a genuine marriage and not a marriage of convenience.. Never had to travel to immigration offices. Your present circumstance sounds not too good. A kind offer from Markit. Hope the leg healing moves along without complication. As for the lack of care it reads a bit like reports filed recently about homes for old people in Australia. Relatives visiting to find dad or mum lying in their own faeces and urine or generally not being looked after.Getting old is definitely to be avoided but better than the alternative.

Shadrach

Sorry I missed the MERP question. Multiple exit and return visa. Good for two years. If you have no travel plans you are not compelled to have one, however if you leave without a MERP your Kitas or Kitap becomes invalid for return and you have to start the process all over again.No lawyers or agents. My Indonesian wife handles all the paper work. Got her a new scooter at the end of the first time around for Kitas. I had processed the paper work in Australia for her permanent residence. Application fee was then $3500 (dearer now) and took about 2 years. Finished with a folder about 2" thick. But at least it could be done on line, Living in northern Queensland. We had to provide evidence that we had a genuine marriage and not a marriage of convenience.. Never had to travel to immigration offices.Your present circumstance sounds not too good. A kind offer from Markit. Hope the leg healing moves along without complication. As for the lack of care it reads a bit like reports filed recently about homes for old people in Australia. Relatives visiting to find dad or mum lying in their own faeces and urine or generally not being looked after.Getting old is definitely to be avoided but better than the alternative.[/QUOTE]Hi Harryopal, thanks for responding about the Merp. My kitas says it's good for multiple entry. I'm confused. Lets say if I was to go back to the States on the kitas wouldn't it be good for return? At the moment I don't plan on returning there but I like to have my options open. Please explain what you mean. Yes that was a very generous offer from Markit. I truly appreciate it. Thank you also. I just don't want to rent a house or something far from a town and have to have a Pembantu's to help me. Living alone sucks. I've been doing it for years now, so I speak from experience. It's the same everywhere. I realize I like my comfort zone, and don't like big changes. But you never know what the future brings. Peace

AuroraB

Hi Harryopal, thanks for responding about the Merp. My kitas says it's good for multiple entry. I'm confused. Lets say if I was to go back to the States on the kitas wouldn't it be good for return? At the moment I don't plan on returning there but I like to have my options open. Please explain what you mean. Yes that was a very generous offer from Markit. I truly appreciate it. Thank you also. I just don't want to rent a house or something far from a town and have to have a Pembantu's to help me. Living alone sucks. I've been doing it for years now, so I speak from experience. It's the same everywhere. I realize I like my comfort zone, and don't like big changes. But you never know what the future brings. Peace[/QUOTE]The KITAS document will have a line saying "Stay/Multiple Entries Permit Expiry", but MERP is usually found inside the passport as explained under:1. MERP is usually issued together with KITAS (if asked for in the application).2. MERP cost extra (6m, 1yr, 2yr)3. MERP is a stamp inside the passport saying "LIMITED STAY & RE-ENTRY" with date matching KITAS expiry date.4. MERP can be applied for separately (see below): [URL unfurl="true"]https://imigrasidenpasar.kemenkumham.go.id/kat_pages/multiple-re-entry-permit-merp[/URL]

harryopal

"....3. MERP is a stamp inside the passport saying "LIMITED STAY & RE-ENTRY" with date matching KITAS expiry date..... "4. MERP can be applied for separately (see below): [URL unfurl="true"]https://imigrasidenpasar.kemenkumham.go.id/kat_pages/multiple-re-entry-permit-merp[/URL][/QUOTE]Just look inside the passport for the MERP stamp and the expiry date. If and when you were to travel at a later date check that you will return inside the MERP validity date. Even if you have Kitas, were you to try and re-enter Indonesia and the MERP has expired then your Kitas would also be cancelled.. You would have to enter on a visitor visa and begin the application for Kitas all over again.

Shadrach

Just look inside the passport for the MERP stamp and the expiry date. If and when you were to travel at a later date check that you will return inside the MERP validity date. Even if you have Kitas, were you to try and re-enter Indonesia and the MERP has expired then your Kitas would also be cancelled.. You would have to enter on a visitor visa and begin the application for Kitas all over again.[/QUOTE]This is new to me. I will check my passport. I thought just having the multiple entry Kitas was enough. I definitely would not want to start that all over again. I have to show a letter of domicile again this year. Man they sure make us jump through the hoops. This is all for future reference if and and when I might want to go. Thanks for the heads up.

harryopal

Kitas is for a specific period of time. There is no multiple entry Kitas. Kitas relates to your entitlement to be in Indonesia. The MERP stamps determines you're leaving and re-entering. The MERP stamp should be in your in your passport.Rather than endlessly renewing Kitas every year better to get Kitap which is for a 5 year period.