Whats going on with tourists in Bali

Balifrog

One of the reasons I like working in "developping" countries most of my life, and I now retired here is that I love this organized chaos. Ok, sometimes it's a pain, but think about it, for your retirement would you prefer to live in SGP where everything is perfectly organized and regulated ? Not even to speak about the financial aspect.... The good governor has gone a bit in overdrive mode lately, but like everything it will pass. And the main objective has been atteint : everybody is speaking about the problems, so somewhere there may be some improvements.

harryopal

Living in the suburbs in Australia away from a main road is like living in a cemetery. Few people walk around and none of the roaming, street vendors, warungs or tiny business activities which are part of life in most Asian countries. And in the evening after the sun goes down there is nothing to compare to the liveliness of markets and bright lights opening up in all kinds of places. There is transformation in some cities such as London where the sheer number of immigrants has seen some of that variety and spark but generally, the suburbs of western cities, as I say, are like cemeteries.

harryopal

Unfortunately the enormous increases in rentals is not just confined to the cities. Hardly a town in Australia where the prices are not on a par with city rental prices. And a friend living in Pagosa Springs - Colorado, population less than 2000, described similar rental hikes there.

Shadrach

No deportation this time: The Danish lady exposing her genitals is now apparently charged under Article 36 of Law Number 44 of 2008 concerning Pornography. This article stipulates imprisonment for up to 10 years and/or a maximum fine of Rp5 billion for anyone who exposes themselves in public setting. https://www.thejakartapost.com/indonesia/2023/05/30/danish-woman-arrested-for-pornography-in-bali.html According to Jakarta post her transgression was caught on video in Seminyak Dec 2022. Who did the video and who did the upload? Why did the lady return to Bali if she knew about the video and the ITE law? In any case I suspect the police will go for the maximum fine of 5 billion which will set them up nicely for further "negotiations".

Oh! Thats painful. But come on you don't do this in any country in the world. Well it looks like she is going to pay big time for her stupidity! Probably too many mushrooms Hah!

AuroraB

Oh! Thats painful. But come on you don't do this in any country in the world. Well it looks like she is going to pay big time for her stupidity! Probably too many mushrooms Hah!

Well I found details about the incident in the local media. As communicated by the police: 1. She apparently wanted to dismiss accusation of being a transgender, pulling the shorts to the side. 2. She claimed that she only showed off her underwear. Well actually this is not clear from the news article linked below. 3. She claimed not being aware of being filmed (by an parking attendant and his friend). 4. The video was recorded during her visit to Bali in Dec 2022. 5. She was made aware of the existence of the video when she returned to Bali. Staff at the hotel notified her after the video became viral. Looks like the police is going overboard to "set an example" of what started out as a "joke". The people filing and making this go viral should be questioned. https://fajarbali.com/kini-ditangani-polisi-bule-denmark-pamer-kemaluan-jadi-tersangka/

AuroraB

Badung Bupati (Regent) is chiming in with some groundbreaking observations; "Regent said that it was wrong [for foreigners] to dispose of garbage, and strict action would be taken. Many foreigners ride motorbikes recklessly. Not even wearing a helmet." https://bali.tribunnews.com/2023/06/01/banyak-bule-berulah-di-bali-bupati-badung-giri-prasta-minta-wna-wajib-ikuti-aturan-di-indonesia There is no limit to lack of self awareness. I look out my window here in a local area; They use the subak (or drain) for garbage disposal. Use of helmet is an option. Not to mention all other rule and law breaking done without fear as police is never to be seen. They can keep telling tourists to respect the rules and laws, but eventually the tourists will just go with the flow and adapt to the local way of doing things.

Markit

harryopal wrote Unfortunately the enormous increases in rentals is not just confined to the cities. Hardly a town in Australia where the prices are not on a par with city rental prices. And a friend living in Pagosa Springs - Colorado, population less than 2000, described similar rental hikes there.

I will never understand how a country the size of Oz with that low a population can have anything like high rents or house prices. FFS it has the 2nd lowest population per land size of all counties on Earth, only behind Mongolia.

Balifrog

Markit wrote I will never understand how a country the size of Oz with that low a population can have anything like high rents or house prices. FFS it has the 2nd lowest population per land size of all counties on Earth, only behind Mongolia.

Vast parts of the country being uninhabitable ? (Like Mongolia or Siberia)

Markit

Balifrog wrote Vast parts of the country being uninhabitable ? (Like Mongolia or Siberia)

Just ask the Isrealis for advice. Hell, give them a million sq km, you won't notice it gone.

AuroraB

Dos and don'ts issued with some new "rules"; see red font. I do not understand why the use of Indonesian QR code is a "Do" for tourists (Do 6). Other that that seems to a lot of rules impossible for tourists to manage. How do they know if a tour guide is licensed, what is a licensed money changer, if an outfit is approved for motorbike rental or if an rental accommodation has all the required permits? Why is this not something the authorities can patrol tourist areas and take care of? Foreigners are also responsible to respect regulations the locals are not taking seriously like; ban on single use plastic, follow traffic and driving "rules", not littering etc. Do as I say not as I do. Finally (Don'ts 6) it appears they will now go after foreigners with the UU ITE law regarding online posts. A draconian law that is used to prosecute people for mere insults here. So it time to clam up I guess. https://coconuts.co/bali/news/bali-issues-12-dos-and-8-donts-for-tourists/ Dos

Don’ts

Shadrach

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Badung Bupati (Regent) is chiming in with some groundbreaking observations; "Regent said that it was wrong [for foreigners] to dispose of garbage, and strict action would be taken. Many foreigners ride motorbikes recklessly. Not even wearing a helmet." https://bali.tribunnews.com/2023/06/01/banyak-bule-berulah-di-bali-bupati-badung-giri-prasta-minta-wna-wajib-ikuti-aturan-di-indonesia There is no limit to lack of self awareness. I look out my window here in a local area; They use the subak (or drain) for garbage disposal. Use of helmet is an option. Not to mention all other rule and law breaking done without fear as police is never to be seen. They can keep telling tourists to respect the rules and laws, but eventually the tourists will just go with the flow and adapt to the local way of doing tthi

Juggler

How about a good old fashioned stoning? I'll have 2 flats,a round and a bag of gravel

Markit

Personally not having clue one about either parts of both countries would appreciate confirmation or not of the theory at least from those in the know?

Shadrach

Dos and don'ts issued with some new "rules"; see red font. These "rules" should come in a Bahasa Indonesian version distributed to all visitors arriving via domestic terminal and ferries. Some of the "rules" could be useful as a reminder for the locals as well. I do not understand why the use of Indonesian QR code is a "Do" for tourists. We all know how personal data security is here with massive leaks from e.g. Tokopedia and 5 other major leaks since around 2020. https://coconuts.co/bali/news/bali-issues-12-dos-and-8-donts-for-tourists/ Dos

Don’ts

This is such bullshit you need rubber boots up to your knees. Get a grip and see how the local people treat their own land. They throw plastic everywhere like it's a banana leaf. They are so jealous of each other they won't help out someone in need, because they might lose some money.So stop your ranting on the tourist and open your eyes to the real Bali.

Markit

I suggest you all just relax and enjoy the multifaceted society that is Indonesia. This chaos that is happening now (regulations) is nothing new and for the oldsters here is fairly amusing. I've been here now for almost 15 years and cannot count how many silly, dangerous, daft, insane and ridiculous "regulations" have been posited. None of which have actually happened. I suspect it has much more to do with internal Indonesian politicians and politics than actually law making. Shout out some new law or regulation in the news and make a big deal out of it (and if it only has to do with foreigners than nobody cares anyway) BUT you've appeared in the world press. Hear about the 2nd Home Visa? Less than 20 "sold" I suspect closer to 2. New Idea: Golden Visa -same shit, different day. Relax, drink more beer and enjoy the turbulence of those that just got here.

Fred2

My friend is a manger for a large American fast food company, Mangers flew in from the states to Brisbane. They hired a car for the day to tour my friends area before flying out that night. My friend mangers Northern NSW, Queensland and the NT. Now you can understand why there is NO comparison between Israel and Australia.

Markit

Fred2 wrote My friend is a manger for a large American fast food company, Mangers flew in from the states to Brisbane. They hired a car for the day to tour my friends area before flying out that night. My friend mangers Northern NSW, Queensland and the NT. Now you can understand why there is NO comparison between Israel and Australia.

I don't get it? If they flew in from the States they must have also had some idea of the size of Oz, if that's what your point was?!

Fred2

Markit wrote I don't get it? If they flew in from the States they must have also had some idea of the size of Oz, if that's what your point was?!

Like most people they think Australia is small, to drive from Melbourne to Alice Springs is 3 days. If you were in Israel and drove for 3 days were would you end up?

Markit

Dude the "states" is America = same size as Oz, therefore "They flew in from the states" aint the same thing. If I drive for 3 days from LA I'm fecking still in LA.

Shadrach

Markit wrote I suggest you all just relax and enjoy the multifaceted society that is Indonesia. This chaos that is happening now (regulations) is nothing new and for the oldsters here is fairly amusing. I've been here now for almost 15 years and cannot count how many silly, dangerous, daft, insane and ridiculous "regulations" have been posited. None of which have actually happened. I suspect it has much more to do with internal Indonesian politicians and politics than actually law making. Shout out some new law or regulation in the news and make a big deal out of it (and if it only has to do with foreigners than nobody cares anyway) BUT you've appeared in the world press. Hear about the 2nd Home Visa? Less than 20 "sold" I suspect closer to 2. New Idea: Golden Visa -same shit, different day. Relax, drink more beer and enjoy the turbulence of those that just got here.

Excellent Idea! I'm with you. Chill out and hang on for the ride.

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