Mangga
Hi all,Was hoping anyone who knows North Bali might have an opinion on land prices up there - perhaps there are members living in places about Lovina that could share about buying land and living up there. After looking through the forum didn't find any recent posts on this.I've spent some time around Lovina and although know it fairly well don't know much about land prices. There's a lot of variability between areas such as views, access, proximity to shops and restaurants, condition of roads (especially on the hill side away from the coast), suitability for building. Assume price is just as variable.The area above Lovina on Jalan Damai so far is a favourite as it's cool, has good views and only a few minutes to Lovina central. I've heard that flat pieces of land in that area, with good access and views are over 200 juta per are? Thought Kaliasem too dry and steep, Kalibukbuk is built up but close to the coast. The views from the hills above Panji and Anturan are fantastic but takes awhile to get anywhere from there!
Markit
PM Gil or RonB as they really know what they are talking about. Ignore PSW as that's pure rubbish. Where ever you look at make sure you ask in detail, preferably you future neighbors too, about water supply. That's the major problem up in the north and south. I know of people with lovely villas paying upwards of 1 million+/week for trucked in water.
spicyayam
There are 2 prices in Bali, the "very hopeful" one and "the bank is going to foreclose the property next week" price. So someone could list it for 200 million per are but if next week they really need money for something then they could sell it for 20 million - usually gambling debts/divorce/medical bills. Personally I wouldn't want to live up in the hills like Kaya Putih or surrounding areas. Water as Markit says is a big problem there, although people selling you the property won't mention this. Some of those villas with million dollar views are like sitting ducks for potential break-ins. Tiga Wasa for example has long been considered an area to avoid.I think people when they first come here they look for a big villa with pool and garden. I guess that is their Bali "dream". After a couple of years you will more than likely see them trying to sell it. From what I have seen established villas are difficult to sell (except for beach front). My preference would be to buy a local house in an established neighborhood and then renovate it to your needs. One of my friends bought 2 old houses and successfully converted it into a hotel. You will have established infrastructure electric/water/internet. It should also be easier to sell at a later time as locals also prefer this kind of living.There are lots of these areas in Pemaron/Anturan/Kaliasem/Kalibukbuk that are just off the main road, before you get up into the hills.
spicyayam
I have heard of people selling government land and even land they don't even own, working together with corrupt officials. Make sure to get everything out with your own notary.
Markit
Just demand to make your own copy of the original land certificate and no amount of bamboozlement will stand in your way when you take it to [U]a Notary of [B][I]your[/I][/B] choosing[/U] to get due diligence done.
Mangga
Thanks for the replies. Makes me wonder how much difference in price one would expect within the same area of Lovina. If the things mentioned as being important, water availability, views, proximity to roadways, social life and shopping are important, how much impact do they have on price? For example, PSW mentioned a steep road in Kayuputih. For sure, the road in Kayuputih is eventually very steep and must be annoying using it every day. On the other hand the road up until Hotel Damai and for over a kilometre past is not steep and has great ocean views along it. I've walked this a few times to the coast and back taking not much more than thirty minutes of easy walking (five minutes on motor bike) - some guys jogged it one morning. Also had the chance to speak with a foreigner who had a villa along there and had put a bore down for water. I did mention that I' heard water was an issue in the North - he seemed amused by this, although he had to outlay money for the bore was surprised that anyone would think this is an issue compared to what land prices were in the South! Am I missing something here? Sure, if an average block of land was 100 juta/are but then another with water, on a flat block, good views and not far from shops/restaurants was, say 120juta/are, then this sounds like people don't know the value of their land!
Markit
The "amused" foreigner wouldn't have been so amused if a couple of those bore hole's had turned up empty or when the one he did hit runs dry. 8 years ago I was researching land up there and saw some beautiful plots, one for 17juta/are with a young stand of teak wood on it, that had a spectacular view down to the ocean. After spending a week running around up there I found most of the locals to be vaguely mafia-like, the weather way to fecking hot and the ocean tepid and boring. Other than that it's great.
Mangga
I've been digging around for some info about bores in North Bali.Found two bore diggers based in Kalibukbuk and asked about chances of hitting water and yield. One said to visit a kampung in the foothills behind Lovina - turns out there is a large bore there which is being pumped nonstop. I'm not sure where this ran to but it was pumping a lot of water - the pipe must have been a foot in diameter. Seems the issue is not one of hitting water - it's just that until foreigners started building houses in the hills it was rare (and not needed) for a deep bore to be dug for a single property in North Bali. To be sure, the bore diggers were not talking about bores dug into the shallow water table on the coast. They dig these too, often for one house, a few metres down.Getting back to the foreigner that I spoke with, he said he had about 40 are (most people in the North have large blocks). He had built on a flat part of this but the bore was further down the hill. The bore diggers told me this was normal not because this was where the water is, but because it was less digging to reach it!
tintin
[COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]That's why it's good to buy an established property.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]That's what the people of Flint, Michigan, USA, thought also, until a despicable Governor switched the "well" on them: his action, in April 2013, poisoned almost ten thousand kids with lead!
geedee
That's what the people of Flint, Michigan, USA, thought also, until a despicable Governor switched the "well" on them: his action, in April 2013, poisoned almost ten thousand kids with lead![/QUOTE]Just discovered as of tomorrow my niece is one of the attorneys working on the Flint water case. Very proud
Markit
Just discovered as of tomorrow my niece is one of the attorneys working on the Flint water case. Very proud[/QUOTE]To say "It's complicated" would be an understatement. I presume she's for the citizenry against the state? I have to feel a little pity with the government on this because if you wanted to find a more contentious place to have a lead/water problem I really, really couldn't think of one, it being the original home of Micheal Moore of "Stupid White Men" and "Bowling for Columbine".
geedee
To say "It's complicated" would be an understatement. I presume she's for the citizenry against the state? I have to feel a little pity with the government on this because if you wanted to find a more contentious place to have a lead/water problem I really, really couldn't think of one, it being the original home of Micheal Moore of "Stupid White Men" and "Bowling for Columbine".[/QUOTE]Yes she is for the citizens.She just found out today that she will be working on it as of tomorrow.Her mother is my Sister (always been left leaning)and her Dad is Mexican who used to be involved in the car Unions in Detroit.My Sister raised her on her own since 6 years old so she did not too bad getting her through American University system . She got admitted to the bar last year .Knowing my sister she will always be fighting for the underdog.
charles123
Any thoughts on what the new airport will do to prices and quality of living in North Bali? While easier access (flights in/out) would be nice, scared it could turn into another Kuta.
spicyayam
Any thoughts on what the new airport will do to prices and quality of living in North Bali? While easier access (flights in/out) would be nice, scared it could turn into another Kuta.[/QUOTE]Personally, I can't imagine a new airport being built any time soon or the distant future. It's not something I would even really think/worry about right now.
tel522
Indeed , in fact I would be more concerned with a metre of ash covering north bali at the moment , it could be a no go zone .
ronb
They have been talking airport for years. Their aim is to increase land prices. They succeed to some extent. But no airport because no investor will see it as a good deal.
Mark
I actually wonder about this project, thinking it may just happen, because it is not possible to add a runway at the existing airport which is currently near to max capacity. While most of us would welcome a limit on tourism numbers in Bali, I don't think the government would agree and if the only option is a new airport then that will be made a priority. As it is, Indonesia is upgrading its airports and runways at key places nationwide, so why not Bali? Tax receipts are likely to continue to increase substantially due to enhanced enforcement, so yes, I see the new airport as very possible within the next 5 years.
davita
I think they could have built another 3,500m (current one 3,000m) runway at Ngurah Rai if they hadn't built the Mandara toll road across the mangrove to Nusa Dua.It could have been built parallel to, but south and east, of the current runway, directly over the shallow swamp.One end at the shipping lanes to Benoa and the other end at the Ngurah Rai by-pass road.It would require a tunnel to be built under the by-pass airport end to accommodate traffic, much like they did at Changi airport and others, but it would be considerably cheaper than a completely new airport where no-one wants to be.
charles123
Indeed Agung is a concern, but I guess that's more short-term or maybe not if the ash totally pollutes everything.
tel522
Indeed Agung is a concern, but I guess that's more short-term or maybe not if the ash totally pollutes everything.[/QUOTE]ya who knows , but sinabung has been at it for the last 3 to4 years, the poor unfortunates nearby have been in camps for that period , I for 1 have an escape plan to another island if the worst happens , I have no plan to suffer the ash cloud and the misery that goes with it.
