Different perspectives

PERtoDPS

Everyone I know has definitely packed on weight, it was like a party at first and a nice change from always working but I totally hear you guys, definitely feeling less healthy over here.

Fred2

Tomorrow I will know what impact it will have to my job in Melbourne, work has not changed so far. My biggest problem is that my Kitap in due in October, was thinking of trying to get to Indonesia now.

Mark

I'm a bit shocked that the average mortgage is A$467,700... I'd heard that Australia is experiencing a property bubble, but this is a pretty big number and if there are large scale defaults the banking sector will be in serious trouble.

PERtoDPS

The fresh food is what I miss most about Bali. Just not the same here in West Aus, the soil is sand and everything seems to come from factories coles and woolworths. There are some alternatives off the beaten path, but very expensive and just don't taste anywhere near as good. The proper sized steaks are bonus but they'll run you $30 or so AUD these days. The roads are far better here as is public transport but roads are ridden with speed traps etc.

harryopal

Fred2 wrote Tomorrow I will know what impact it will have to my job in Melbourne, work has not changed so far. My biggest problem is that my Kitap in due in October, was thinking of trying to get to Indonesia now.

So, what has been the impact on your job?

Fred2

harryopal wrote So, what has been the impact on your job?

All good just received our work permits.:)

spicyayam

As Melbourne goes into 4-stage lockdowns, Bali is opening up to domestic tourists. No one can really say which one is the right approach. There is always going to be a need to balance lockdowns which work but are not sustainable and having some kind of economy. This is from the Eureka report: [I]Morgan Stanley’s analysts explained that 55% of respondents with a mortgage had received some form of income support from the Government in the past six months. The other thing that stood out was that 15% of those receiving support are on JobSeeker, which is the dole. Presumably they weren’t on the dole before the pandemic, since they have a mortgage, and you couldn’t service a mortgage on $40 a day, but they would be struggling now even though the coronavirus supplement has bumped up the amount to $557.85 per week. But a lot of them must be making the repayments since only 8% are on mortgage holidays from the bank. That JobSeeker amount is due to go back to the old figure of $282.85 a week, or $40 a day, in January, after an intermediate step down in September to $407.85. Those people, plus all the others relying on income support, will have to get a job by March next year or default on their mortgages. And it can’t be a couple of shifts a week making coffee or entering data from home, which would see them back in the “employed” column of the ABS labour force data. There are 6 million mortgages in Australia; 55% of that number is 3.3 million. The average mortgage is $467,700. Let’s assume, conservatively, that the mortgages of these people are below average – say, $300,000. And let’s also assume that three-quarters of them do get a decent job in time for the income support to run out. [B]That leaves 825,000 mortgagors going on the dole, which by then will be back to $282.85 a week and definitely not enough to meet mortgage repayments. That number of mortgagors multiplied by $300,000 is $247.5 billion in loans. The total capital of the big four banks is $257 billion.[/B][/I]

Markit

Got married to the present missus in 1980 - you do the maths, I start to cry. We don't get on especially well but that's a product of individuality and time. We've always been "ourselves" cause we're possibly too stupid to be someone else. It hasn't been a bowl of roses either but at least each of us knows who we are dealing with. I guess I must be a wonderful husband because I can't think of another valid reason why she's still hanging around. My daughter just got married and most of the celebrants were astonished we'd been together so long and as usual father of the bride has to try and say something intelligent. I tried...

Juggler

Fred2 wrote Tomorrow I will know what impact it will have to my job in Melbourne, work has not changed so far. My biggest problem is that my Kitap in due in October, was thinking of trying to get to Indonesia now.

Ours have just expired and we need to get to Bali by the 13th Sept. It just aint gonna happen. I feel Bali covid will increase dramtically in the next month or so. To get out of Oz you need to apply and that will just wont do as we need to back for xmas. So the $4k 14 day isolation just isnt worht it. I have asked my agent to get me a EPO and we will just have to start again in Feb if we can get back then.

JackStraw

Yes. It's a very interesting approach indeed. I wish all my Australian friends well. Just out of curiosity, how does this lockdown now compare to the one you guys had during the Swine Flu? It hit you guys pretty bad according to the statistics I pulled up. Australia had 37,537 confirmed cases of H1N1 Influenza 2009 (Human Swine Influenza) and 191 deaths reported by Department of Health[1] but only 77 deaths reported by the Australian Bureau of Statistics.[9] The actual numbers are much larger, as only serious cases warranted being tested and treated at the time. Suspected cases have not been reported by the Department of Health and Ageing since 18 May 2009 because they were changing too quickly to report.[10] Sources say that as many as 1600 Australians may have actually died as a result of this virus. Compare that to the roughly 20,000 cases and 208 deaths of corona virus so far, I imagine the lockdown was much worse for the Swine Flu. What was it like back then? Similar restrictions or worse than today?

PERtoDPS

Yes. It's a very interesting approach indeed. I wish all my Australian friends well. Just out of curiosity, how does this lockdown now compare to the one you guys had during the Swine Flu? It hit you guys pretty bad according to the statistics I pulled up. Australia had 37,537 confirmed cases of H1N1 Influenza 2009 (Human Swine Influenza) and 191 deaths reported by Department of Health[1] but only 77 deaths reported by the Australian Bureau of Statistics.[9] The actual numbers are much larger, as only serious cases warranted being tested and treated at the time. Suspected cases have not been reported by the Department of Health and Ageing since 18 May 2009 because they were changing too quickly to report.[10] Sources say that as many as 1600 Australians may have actually died as a result of this virus. Compare that to the roughly 20,000 cases and 208 deaths of corona virus so far, I imagine the lockdown was much worse for the Swine Flu. What was it like back then? Similar restrictions or worse than today?

This is the harshest lockdown and first time in Australian history to this degree, swine flu, bird flu weren't locked down this hard, dole didn't increase even temporarily and it wasn't so constant in the media either, don't get me wrong it was on the evening news, but it wasn't everytime I turn on a news station it's all I hear about. Last night I was watching Sky news and there was a constant countdown timer to Vic lockdown and it showed the empty streets of the CBD. I don't even watch much news anymore it's too depressing for even my bright personality these days. Still enough to keep informed. I switched to a Los Angeles based station for an hour and they had corona numbers hugely inflate also, but it was maybe 20% of the hour bulletin. My job went, in process to finally apply for something new now. My store temporarily closed due to COVIT when it reopened it could offer me about 5-10 hours a week, so I had to quit. Relationship and partner both in Bali pending on "hold" since March. But without the income support I'd be screwed in Bali or borrowed heavily to sustain myself there, plus likely be having visa issues by now. Hope to be back soon. I'm not a fan of putting the whole world on hold so many small-medium business in Perth closed over this already.

SamD

I am of the opinion that lockdowns are the wrong approach. Everyone points to New Zealand and how successful their lockdown has proved. But it is only postponing the inevitable. Coronavirus will make its way there eventually and they will go through what every other community has gone through with this virus. The economic cost of the lockdowns has been catastrophic. The social cost is starting to become clear now. More kids have died in the US due to suicide during the pandemic than died from Coronavirus. I believe countries like Indonesia who did not impose lockdowns will fare much better in the coming years than countries like the USA, UK Australia etc. who committed economic suicide. And China is waiting in the wings to reap the harvest of the chaos they sowed.

Fred2

I think the 14 day isolation back in Australia is the big problem. I will wait till the end of August then start ringing around, Garuda is still flying 2x a month Melbourne/Jakarta and we know some officers in Immigration. Its taken 9 years so don't want to walk away from my Kitap.

PERtoDPS

Fred2 wrote I think the 14 day isolation back in Australia is the big problem. I will wait till the end of August then start ringing around, Garuda is still flying 2x a month Melbourne/Jakarta and we know some officers in Immigration. Its taken 9 years so don't want to walk away from my Kitap.

I've already done it once when the government still footed the bill. It'd have to be a seriously long time in Bali for me to consider paying it alone, eg a year +. I don't see it going away this year but maybe I am wrong. I'm not sure where you guys got that $4000 figure, it's $3000 in WA but who knows other states.

JackStraw

SamD wrote I am of the opinion that lockdowns are the wrong approach. Everyone points to New Zealand and how successful their lockdown has proved. But it is only postponing the inevitable. Coronavirus will make its way there eventually and they will go through what every other community has gone through with this virus. The economic cost of the lockdowns has been catastrophic. The social cost is starting to become clear now. More kids have died in the US due to suicide during the pandemic than died from Coronavirus. I believe countries like Indonesia who did not impose lockdowns will fare much better in the coming years than countries like the USA, UK Australia etc. who committed economic suicide. And China is waiting in the wings to reap the harvest of the chaos they sowed.

That's a very good point thanks for sharing. Another thing I was thinking about is the long term impact. With gyms shut down and people losing their jobs, surely that means they cannot afford to eat as healthy anymore or exercise as much. This will lead to many health problems down the road and potentially, many more deaths than the actual virus would cause if we just let it runs its course without shutting down the economy. Interesting things to think about

SamD

Before they closed the beaches I used to run 3 or 4 times a week. I tried running on the roads but didn't like it or feel comfortable. So I stopped running. I started running again when the beaches opened but maybe overdid it. Now my knee is f*cked and I can't seem to get it right. Not life threatening but I am convinced if the beaches hadn't been closed I would be doing my 8k runs still today. I'm not of an age where recovery happens quickly. I needed consistency and that was taken away from me. An insignificant anecdotal story but for me personally it is a big deal. The lack of second order thinking in decision making is something that policy makers need to address. But they won't because unfortunately they are thick as shit.

spicyayam

As much as the WHO has lost most of its credibility, I saw an interview with one of their staff and he also said lockdowns are wrong and not sustainable. I see some restaurants opening up in Lovina and they seem a little crowded, but we are just staying home for now. My wife had a client who initially tested positive with the rapid test and was later found negative. She was fortunately got a negative from the rapid test. My son's school has been making YT videos for lessons and apparently they will have a Zoom meeting soon. The teachers aren't very technologically advanced so it is better than nothing for now. It's not a great situation, but I have kind of resigned myself to feeling it will be this way for at least the rest of the year.

SamD

spicyayam wrote As much as the WHO has lost most of its credibility, I saw an interview with one of their staff and he also said lockdowns are wrong and not sustainable. I see some restaurants opening up in Lovina and they seem a little crowded, but we are just staying home for now. My wife had a client who initially tested positive with the rapid test and was later found negative. She was fortunately got a negative from the rapid test. My son's school has been making YT videos for lessons and apparently they will have a Zoom meeting soon. The teachers aren't very technologically advanced so it is better than nothing for now. It's not a great situation, but I have kind of resigned myself to feeling it will be this way for at least the rest of the year.

The teachers are also not following the scientific evidence. From my understanding there has not been a single case where a child has transmitted the virus to an adult teacher in the ENTIRE WORLD. Kids are not as susceptible to this virus as adults according to the evidence. Nations are looking at what the USA is doing and blindly following suit. The USA is infected with another more potent virus at the moment named TDS. Basing public health policy on the American model is crazy. The democrats want to stop schools opening in order to maintain the chaos and make Trump look bad so they can win the 2020 election. I believe their strategy will fail but in the meantime kids in the USA and elsewhere are suffering. Pelosi and her crew of evil elites don't give a f[I]ck. I almost believe David Icke because I can see Pelosi peeling off her skin every night revealing the lizard within. She is some scary b[/I]tch.

Fred2

PERtoDPS wrote I've already done it once when the government still footed the bill. It'd have to be a seriously long time in Bali for me to consider paying it alone, eg a year +. I don't see it going away this year but maybe I am wrong. I'm not sure where you guys got that $4000 figure, it's $3000 in WA but who knows other states.

$3000.00 single, + 1000.00 for second person. + $$$ for any kids

tel522

SamD wrote The teachers are also not following the scientific evidence. From my understanding there has not been a single case where a child has transmitted the virus to an adult teacher in the ENTIRE WORLD. Kids are not as susceptible to this virus as adults according to the evidence. Nations are looking at what the USA is doing and blindly following suit. The USA is infected with another more potent virus at the moment named TDS. Basing public health policy on the American model is crazy. The democrats want to stop schools opening in order to maintain the chaos and make Trump look bad so they can win the 2020 election. I believe their strategy will fail but in the meantime kids in the USA and elsewhere are suffering. Pelosi and her crew of evil elites don't give a f[I]ck. I almost believe David Icke because I can see Pelosi peeling off her skin every night revealing the lizard within. She is some scary b[/I]tch.

What are you smoking ? or are you taking those chloroquin sweetys like herr trumpf .