Covid-19 current situation in Bali

JackStraw

Tezza71 wrote Now then JackStraW. I just read on the Bali Sun website "The Sanglah hospital in Bali is almost at capacity as the number of positive Covid-19 continues to surge". What do I make of this after reading your comment above. I'm not arguing that your friend is wrong but there's something wrong. Is this newspaper blowing the story up to sell copy

Why is it the Bali Sun is the only one running this story? I follow several local news outlets online and "citizen journalists" on Instagram and have not heard one tiny bit of information regarding this. Where are the viral videos of people passing out in the street because of corona? Where are the viral videos of mass graves in Bali? I think if there was a problem, then it would be in our faces everywhere we went yet...we want to rely on one story from the piece of shit Bali Sun for evidence? As for the reasoning behind why they would do this, unfortunately, I do think it is a clickbait issue. I used to write for a very popular clickbait site and it's as ruthless as you would imagine. The #1 goal is clicks and money. Fact-checking and legitimacy comes much later down the line (if at all). Even if this is true, it should come as no surprise. Lockdown restrictions are easing and more people are gathering together. Combine this with an increase in testing and of course you will see an increase in positive results. But with a population of 5 million or so, I don't think 1,000 positive corona cases is anything to worry about or shut down the economy over

PERtoDPS

It's all kicking off in Vic and NSW now, with the 2nd round stuff.

Fred2

I'm stuck in Outer suburb of Melbourne, when this first started the company split our shift 7x7, my wife was cut back to 4 days, now we are back to normal shifts, supermarkets don't have toilet paper again, roads are busy. We have tickets for the 17/10 but don't think the Australian government will allow us to fly. The hotel quarantine suff is playing out in the media, the story is the guard was sleeping with some of the people in quarantine , then sharing a smoke , car pooling and doing uber on the side. talk about passing it aroundo_O.

PERtoDPS

Well some glimpse of hope, I just saw England is opening the borders to 59 countries from July 10, this is "new news" so difficult to back it up with URL as I saw it on Sky, I'll check later and edit to update. I hope the Australia/NZ follows suite. Also saw Virgin to shed 4000 jobs, Qantas was 6000 the other week wondering is there going to be any airline left to fly or is it going to be excessive prices per ticket? Edit URL as promised: https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/travel-ban-lifted-uk-england-quarantine-holiday-safe-france-spain-turkey-italy-a9600206.html

harryopal

So the age of the "new normal in Bali begins officially on the 9th of this month. Searching around but still can't find a direct references as to when beaches will open. I can make my third check it out visit to Jimbaran beach on the 9th but has anyone any definitive information on the state of the beaches?

Juggler

Fred2 wrote I'm stuck in Outer suburb of Melbourne, when this first started the company split our shift 7x7, my wife was cut back to 4 days, now we are back to normal shifts, supermarkets don't have toilet paper again, roads are busy. We have tickets for the 17/10 but don't think the Australian government will allow us to fly. The hotel quarantine suff is playing out in the media, the story is the guard was sleeping with some of the people in quarantine , then sharing a smoke , car pooling and doing uber on the side. talk about passing it aroundo_O.

lol IKR...that guy was outta control...well i guess isolationists need luving too...

JohnnyCool

[I][B]Is there [/B][U][B]anything[/B][/U][B] we can believe about this pandemic?[/B][/I] If so, from where, what and why? Seems to me that several forum members here think all media outlets can’t be trusted. As well as “medical experts and health staff”. If so, what do [I][B]they[/B][/I] base [I]their[/I] “opinions” on? Bias is everywhere.Including cherry-pickibng “facts” to “support” their assertions. Arm-chair “experts” galore.” “It’s all a scam, bullshit, etc. [I][B]Really?[/B][/I] Where this pandemic originated, how, the “numbers” reported, etc, is one thing. It seems patently obvious to me that the pandemic has changed our “normal” lives big time, both health-wise and economically. Does this mean that health workers, governments world-wide have all been sucked into a giant scam? There must be a whole lot of doctors/nurses who are stupid. I don’t buy that. Probably most people don’t understand the various “reported numbers”. Do you? Hands up if you know how to interpret a logarithmic scale? I’ll leave it at that. :rolleyes:

JackStraw

JohnnyCool wrote [I][B]Is there [/B][U][B]anything[/B][/U][B] we can believe about this pandemic?[/B][/I] If so, from where, what and why? Seems to me that several forum members here think all media outlets can’t be trusted. As well as “medical experts and health staff”. If so, what do [I][B]they[/B][/I] base [I]their[/I] “opinions” on? Bias is everywhere.Including cherry-pickibng “facts” to “support” their assertions. Arm-chair “experts” galore.” “It’s all a scam, bullshit, etc. [I][B]Really?[/B][/I] Where this pandemic originated, how, the “numbers” reported, etc, is one thing. It seems patently obvious to me that the pandemic has changed our “normal” lives big time, both health-wise and economically. Does this mean that health workers, governments world-wide have all been sucked into a giant scam? There must be a whole lot of doctors/nurses who are stupid. I don’t buy that. Probably most people don’t understand the various “reported numbers”. Do you? Hands up if you know how to interpret a logarithmic scale? I’ll leave it at that. :rolleyes:

I do not think the entire thing is a scam. COVID is real and people are definitely dying from it. And yes I do agree with you that people are cherry-picking facts on both sides of the argument to support their narrative. But I firmly believe certain governments are taking this unfortunate opportunity to exert force and gain more control over the population. the government has never cared about the health of its citizens...unless it starts to effect said government profits. It's not a giant lie or scam but I really don't believe we need to shut the entire economy over it. That will ultimately kill millions of more lives than COVID itself. My whole point in all my comments is that we shouldn't take everything for face value and realize that some (not all) authorities do not have our best interest in mind (including governments, their doctors and their media).

harryopal

Adding to the great confusion is that even amongst the ranks of those with bio chemistry degrees there are divergent opinions as to the nature of the disease and its worldwide spread. From country to country there is no uniform opinion as to what to do and how to do it despite most countries having panels of expert advisors. Here in Indonesia it seems the health advisory panel to the president have said that mass spraying can be dangerous to human health and that spraying of roads and many other public places has little value. Noneless spraying is in vogue in many countries as at the very least governments want to be seen to be taking action. There is also the total unreliability of reporting of cases and causes of death and it is doubtful if developed countries have an accurate picture of the impact of the disease let alone underdeveloped countries with under resourced health departments. There are also varying views about just how reliable testing might be in relation to deaths which might be attributed to Covid 19 or some other flu strain. WHO in 2017 said that "Up to 650 000 people die of respiratory diseases linked to seasonal flu each year .'" So if the best informed scientists and health organizations around the world are finding difficulty in agreeing as to how dire things are and what is the best way to go then I feel we cant be too harsh condemning less well informed people like myself and other forum members who still argue about the reality of the dangers that may confront us. We might however agree that there seems to be a substantial increase in deaths and cases involving Covid 19 or other strains of flu. The response to this perceived crisis has had and is having a devastating impact on economies and peoples' lives where so many millions have lost jobs and face a perilous future just trying to survive. As much as we might hope for a miracle vaccine, again there is great variation as to expectations of the availability of a vaccine with some suggesting we are just months away and others doubting that anything might be available until the end of 2021 or beyond. If and when when a vaccine becomes available the logistics of world wide vaccination programs are such that it may take quite some time before vaccinations can be made available to cover whole populations. Lurking in the background is the serious probability that within another year the Covid 19 virus may have mutated beyond the reach of the available vaccine or vaccines. We are in murky troubled waters and as fearful as this all seems the other reality to bear in mind is that the majority of people who become infected may have relatively minor effects on their health and it is a relatively small percentage who die. It seems the prudent thing to do is to take precautions and accept the rules of whichever country we live in with regard to wearing masks, isolating where ordered and not incite the wrath of fearful people who may think we are endangering their lives by not adhering to government regulations. Good health to you all and [B]DON'T PANIC.....[/B] well, maybe a little bit.

JackStraw

It's all kicking off in Vic and NSW now, with the 2nd round stuff.

By "kicking off" do you mean hospitals are stuffed to the brim with chronic COVID cases and people are dropping like flies or is your government simply just testing more and as a result, are recording more cases (symptomatic or not)? I'm curious. Do know what the trend for deaths looks like in Victoria since COVID first started in Australia? Oh, wait, nevermind. I have the info on hand right here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/coronavirus-cases-data-reveals-how-covid-19-spreads-in-australia/12060704?nw=0#deaths Wow, a shocking 104 deaths in Australia and the trend has drastically decreased since April. Definitely good reason to lock down the country for sure. 104 deaths. I think 104 people died from car accidents during the time I take my morning shit every day. Probably a lot more though. Also, anyone know the total number of COVID Cases and deaths in the world right now? No worries. I got that information too. As of today, we have: 10.89 Million Cases 520,066 total deaths 5.54 million recoveries so far. Hmm, that's strange. In 2019, the common flu caused up to 5 million cases of severe illness worldwide and killed up to 650,000 people (that's every year) according to the World Health Organization. Maybe I was a bit too much on the piss last year but I don't remember any lockdown for the flu killing 650,000 people last year. Maybe you guys can refresh my memory?

PERtoDPS

Hey Jackstraw, I personally don't agree with the lockdown at all I think we should all be educated to the risks and try to make wise decisions about our activities and movements. I hate everything being shut, going broke, nothing to do all day. I guess I'm a bit of a sucker for the media, you're right the numbers to population are low, but I am a big sky news watcher and there has been a lot going on. Hotel quarantine corruption, eg companies buying it and outsourcing the work that sort of stuff and the infection rate in Victoria is up 70 + in the last two days. I also saw a story of one making it across the border to NSW somehow and doing a shift a woolworths and the whole store was shut. For me personally, it's a bit of a disaster to be honest, Mrs stuck in Bali I'm stuck in Perth (financially not viable any other way for this long), there is no end in sight to when and if I'll be flying back over there and I'm really in two minds weather to try and jump on some FIFO work up in north west WA or ride it out in Perth city, it's cold here that's for sure. The government assistance programs end in Sept, or drastically reduce and if that isn't changed it's going to be extremely difficult to find work as I'm pretty sure a lot of jobs will be cut when jobkeeper ends and jobseeker will go back to around $600 fornight (you'd be lucky to pay rent alone off that in the cities here). So I guess you got me mate, guilty of bumping the thread to try and drive some traffic/replies.

JohnnyCool

JackStraw wrote I do not think the entire thing is a scam. COVID is real and people are definitely dying from it. And yes I do agree with you that people are cherry-picking facts on both sides of the argument to support their narrative. But I firmly believe certain governments are taking this unfortunate opportunity to exert force and gain more control over the population. the government has never cared about the health of its citizens...unless it starts to effect said government profits. It's not a giant lie or scam but I really don't believe we need to shut the entire economy over it. That will ultimately kill millions of more lives than COVID itself. My whole point in all my comments is that we shouldn't take everything for face value and realize that some (not all) authorities do not have our best interest in mind (including governments, their doctors and their media).

"Experts" can't agree because not enough is known about this[B][I] new[/I][/B] virus. [B][I]Vaccines? [/I][/B]A vaccine is[SIZE=4] [I][U][B]not[/B][/U][/I][/SIZE][B] a cure. [/B]That's important to understand (expert or not). [B][I]No cure?[/I][/B] Get used to living with vaccine shots (when one is found that "works"). Without a [B]cure[/B], there is no "cure".

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