medication

cosmos

iarrived recently from australia, on a retirement visa, where i am on medication, blood pressure,statins etc, can i buy at or near the same price anywhere in bali, i got a prescription from a doctor here at a cost of 40 bucks, but the chemist wanted to charge me nearly three hundred bucks for a months supply, with or without the script alan

harryopal

Try [SIZE=7][B]Adhi Guna Farma 2 Apotik [/B][/SIZE] JL. Mayjen Sutoyo No. 45, Dauh Puri Kangin, Dauh Puri, Denpasar Bar., Kota Denpasar, Bali 80112, Indonesia 86Q8+9P Denpasar, Denpasar City, Bali, Indonesia +62 361 238241 Open now: 8am–3pm, 5–10pm These are said to be the cheapest supplier of meds in Bali. They are always very busy with lots of customers for that reason. Many meds requiring a prescription in Australia are available over the counter. It is very straightforward. If you ring there is usually someone there who speaks English. You can find their whereabouts on google.

spicyayam

There is some evidence that the whole "high cholesterol" warning is a myth and is perpetuated by drug companies. http://www.statinnation.net/blog/2016/5/28/creating-the-high-cholesterol-myth-why-your-cholesterol-level-is-normal-and-not-high https://cholesterolcode.com/

cosmos

thank you i,ll try them alan

Markit

Also check Tokopedia - I've found they're very dependable and much cheaper than the apoteks. Best thing is you don't even need to get out of bed, they deliver.

cosmos

my family has a high history of heart failure, so i will stick with the meds for now, but the new 5-2 diet is kicking in right now, 82 kg now hoping for 75 and avoiding all the wrong things. AL

harryopal

Markit wroteAlso check Tokopedia - I've found they're very dependable and much cheaper than the apoteks. Best thing is you don't even need to get out of bed, they deliver.

Bugger... so to speak. Just two days ago I bought ten months supply of medication at Adhi Guna Farma which is cheaper than other apoteks but after Markit's post I checked Tokopedia and could have bought for at least a third less. Ahh well... towards the end of next year.

PERtoDPS

call me stupid guys but I checked out Tokopedia I can manage to switch it to English, but where do I find a list of the medications? All the Apoteks Im seeing are just selling beauty products like moisturiser etc

mugwump

There is some evidence that the whole "high cholesterol" warning is a myth and is perpetuated by drug companies. http://www.statinnation.net/blog/2016/5/28/creating-the-high-cholesterol-myth-why-your-cholesterol-level-is-normal-and-not-high https://cholesterolcode.com/

Certainly don't wish to be the contrarian, but notice the latest "information" in what the author of this first article lists is 2009. Admittedly didn't read the articles, but there are many reputable sources with international status that are currently endorsing statins. This is casting a broad net on an important subject to all of us, and the list includes the Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins University, Cleveland Clinic, Harvard Medical Review etc. Doubt that Lancet has any recent contradictions either. Admittedly we all concede that meds are too expensive and pharmaceutical companies are reaping too much of a profit harvest, but denying the value of an important medication with such a broad brush needs some credible analysis, and doing it with a bell curve illustration is a bit too simplistic. The other reference cited was a pretty confusing array of diagrams that didn't make much sense to my layman's mind, maybe I'm dense but the contributions requested in both articles were revealing.

cosmos

I GOT THE SAME

PERtoDPS

I checked with my partner says this site often selling low quality counterfeit goods, now i have no idea if this is true for medication but seems the stuff I was looking for is prescription only and not going to be available on a ebay style site

spicyayam

mugwump wroteCertainly don't wish to be the contrarian, but notice the latest "information" in what the author of this first article lists is 2009. Admittedly didn't read the articles, but there are many reputable sources with international status that are currently endorsing statins.

All I can say is do your own research. There is a tonne of videos on YT about the various problems with statins, the side effects and the other health issues they cause and they may not even prevent heart problems. Sales of the drug will approach $1 trillion by 2020! All the studies on the drugs are done by the drug companies themselves. Most of the funding for universities comes from industry. Follow the money as they say.

Markit

If you are used to taking the bone fide real-deal drugs but then you get a dosage from Tokopedia I suspect you'll notice fairly quickly if they are the correct drug or a counterfeit and if you don't you probably didn't need it in the first place - Thanks Dr. Markit :)

harryopal

Dr Markit, that ignores the placebo effect as you may feel better after taking a fake drug believing it was the real thing.

mugwump

spicyayam wroteAll I can say is do your own research. There is a tonne of videos on YT about the various problems with statins, the side effects and the other health issues they cause and they may not even prevent heart problems. Sales of the drug will approach $1 trillion by 2020! All the studies on the drugs are done by the drug companies themselves. Most of the funding for universities comes from industry. Follow the money as they say.

Admittedly there have been adverse effects from statins for some patients. What the statistics are compared to the advantages seems to be minimal from what I have read from reliable scientific sources. It has been a concern for me personally as I take them. There may be some validity of criticism as to what constitutes high cholesterol as well as it seems difficult to understand why HDL is added to LDL along with a percentage of triglycerides to achieve the total cholesterol mark. It is accepted that high HDL is a positive factor (assuming non-genetic rarities). The ratios being the most significant factors. A respected cardiologist has informed me as a patient that statins can only reduce total cholesterol while only diet and exercise can increase HDL . Mine fortunately is high due to that regimen as test results determine. We are certainly at an advantage here to have Prodia available to us which will test for cholesterol for only 328k rp. (2019 prices) using internationally accepted standards. I have mine done about every 3 months just to track the situation. Personally feel it would obviously be advantageous to ditch statins totally if there were credible scientifically accepted double blind test results done from a highly reputable independent source, and haven't seen it yet. BTW, feel fortunate to not having any heart problems to date; just high findings without meds so always eager to learn more. What is really important to realize is that our liver produces cholesterol naturally, and we are all different so there is no "one size fits all" solution.

spicyayam

I spent more time looking into this over the weekend. From the research I did, it seems that heart problems stem from calcification of the arteries or Coronary artery calcification (CAC) and this is what you need to pay attention to rather than cholesterol. I am not sure if you can do a CAC test, maybe at one of the bigger hospitals. https://www.capitalcardiology.com/cholesterol-level-not-matter/

mugwump

Calcification of the arteries or "hardening of the arteries" as it is commonly called is the build up of plaque created by LDL (low density lipids) a component of cholesterol. This is the bad stuff that coagulates, hardens and forms plaque in the arteries that ultimately blocks the arteries and causes heart attacks. HDL (high density lipids) is the "good" cholesterol that scours the bad cholesterol from arterial walls and carries it away. Cholesterol check ups can determine the amount of good and bad cholesterol in your arteries. This along with measuring triglycerides can tell you by a simple inexpensive test the health of your heart.

tintin

mugwump wroteCalcification of the arteries or "hardening of the arteries" as it is commonly called is the build up of plaque created by LDL (low density lipids) a component of cholesterol. This is the bad stuff that coagulates, hardens and forms plaque in the arteries that ultimately blocks the arteries and causes heart attacks. HDL (high density lipids) is the "good" cholesterol that scours the bad cholesterol from arterial walls and carries it away. Cholesterol check ups can determine the amount of good and bad cholesterol in your arteries. This along with measuring triglycerides can tell you by a simple inexpensive test the health of your heart.

Medicine is an art, not a science. At best it is an empirical science, and therefore subject to fades. Cholesterol is one of the many examples. When I was a young man in my 30's, I started having regular yearly check ups. My total cholesterol was 280 and it was consider "normal," especially since my HDL was above 80. As years went by, that total level became too high, and soon, the doctors decided that one should tried to have a total cholesterol around 200. Since, as you know, our own liver produces about 80% of the stuff, the remaining 20% being influenced by the diet and living style, one is rather limited in how to handle the problem of a high cholesterol. Then came the statins, which have been definitely found to reduce cardiovascular disease and mortality in people who are at high risk of cardiovascular disease. For several reasons, I personally resisted my doctors, and continued to take Niacin, a natural vitamin, vitamin B3[B],[/B] until only recently: they wore me down and also, I was convinced by the tons of medical data that statins are of benefit. Of course, one must always be very careful with the rapacious pharma industry, but also with the "medical fashions" ! Luckily, statins are now cheap in price. Without changing my diet + statin, my cholesterol is around 180, but my cardio suggested may around 150!? They're never satisfied... By the way, over the last 10 years or so, the role of the benefit of a high HDL is being questioned!

harryopal

There is often quite a bit of debate and argument on this and other forum about the quality or lack of it with Indonesian medical practices. Mugwump's is correct in saying, "Medicine is an art, not a science. " Most of us from western backgrounds have grown up in a culture that would have it that the doctor is always right. In point of fact there are increasing warnings about needless and unnecessary surgery often doing more harm than good and serious injuries and deaths caused by mistakes in medicating patients in hospitals. I recall in the 70s's that it was shown that many Caesarians in Australia were being performed for the convenience of doctors, not the well being of the patients. Or to put it another way, how much nicer for a doctor to set a time and date for the Caesarian so that the Saturday golf won't be interrupted by a patient going into labour. Generally speaking the medical profession treats symptoms and often without looking for underlying causes which may relate to bad diet and lack of exercise. Busy doctors sit the patients, down do a number of tests,and increasingly pathology tests which runs up the bills for client and income for the doctors, a prescription is written and five minutes later the patient is out the door. Let me hasten to say of course there are many caring and concerned doctors who do not function this way but I suspect they are in the minority. A huge range of inducements is provided for doctors by pharmaceutical companies to ensure their products are used. Overseas trips to exotic locations for "seminars" are part of the array of attractive reasons for doctors to see the benefit of prescribing a particular product. Adding injury to insult (to paraphrase a common saying) is the fact that now so many medications are being produced in China with, not so long ago, the head of the Chinese pharmaceutical regulating body being executed for accepting bribes and allowing inadequately tested products into the market. If I break a bone of course I run to the doctor but by and large avoid regular check ups and don't like taking drugs of any sort. Almost all have adverse side effects. I guess I should end this rant but I tend to agree with Tintin's scepticism. By the way, I love the manner in which that news stories about medical development begin with the heading "Medical breakthrough" and after an excited report the question usually is, how long before this will be available? The answer is invariably, "5 years." I have a suspicion that many of these stories are generated by the PR and marketing sections of the research centres which are looking for a jump in share price value.

ronb

cosmos wroteiarrived recently from australia, on a retirement visa, where i am on medication, blood pressure,statins etc, can i buy at or near the same price anywhere in bali, i got a prescription from a doctor here at a cost of 40 bucks, but the chemist wanted to charge me nearly three hundred bucks for a months supply, with or without the script alan

In Australia you are protected from the true price of expensive drugs because the government pays. For example, some of the statins you will get in Oz are quite expensive, and if you show the labels here they may offer you the same label at a high price. But cheaper generic alternatives are more widely used here because locals are cost conscious, so after a bit of Googling you should be able to switch to a cheaper generics. Don't go to doctors for prescriptions, it labels you as "high price". Do your research to discover what will be a good generic, then use Tokopedia to get an idea of what the price should be - even if you prefer to buy locally.