adopt a beach in Bali

davita

hadodi wroteWHERE does all the garbage go? Is there any recycling industry here? What about the Governor's promise that Bali would be plastic free in 2015?!

It's the same problem the world over so no point in bashing Bali...we simply do not know how to rid ourselves of the garbage we produce. If some enterprising Elon Musk type can find a way to convert garbage into something useful they would, at least, get a Nobel prize as well as be the richest person. Converting into art is interesting, so credit to teddybear, but converting into some biomass, and using as recycling or a source of energy, is more in line with resolving the massive problem. Throughout history homo-sapien just buried their rubbish and it naturally converted organically but, with the chemical compounds used in manufacturing in the last 100 years or so....it will take chemical engineers to invent some method to bio-degrade using a similar organic technique as nature does. I'll stop my rant now as I'm going to sleep.

Teddybear

davita wroteIt's the same problem the world over so no point in bashing Bali...we simply do not know how to rid ourselves of the garbage we produce. If some enterprising Elon Musk type can find a way to convert garbage into something useful they would, at least, get a Nobel prize as well as be the richest person. Converting into art is interesting, so credit to teddybear, but converting into some biomass, and using as recycling or a source of energy, is more in line with resolving the massive problem. Throughout history homo-sapien just buried their rubbish and it naturally converted organically but, with the chemical compounds used in manufacturing in the last 100 years or so....it will take chemical engineers to invent some method to bio-degrade using a similar organic technique as nature does. I'll stop my rant now as I'm going to sleep.

Tanks D. I have another , BALI BINTANG BONFIRE FESTIVAL just don't stand downwind , the Balinese do like burning tings , T.

Teddybear

I have solveld this problem I believe. A tourist rubbish tax. If every tourist was taxed ,made a donation of say A$1.00 , then this will create a rubbish waste management industry employing huge numbers of locals , and even another way out idea ask the tourists to take home ad a souvenir , some Bali rubbish packed in a nice pretty recycled plastic box. Oh I am hot today must rest my mind now. As a Transformers fan, need to find my AL SPARK my critical thinking energy is running low.T.

Nydave

I have respect for your idea,however on an island where 70% of its revenue is generated from tourism it's crazy to expect tourists to pay to have a clean beach,check out Thailand where they have rubbish problems on the beach also , the local small businesses go out every morning and clean the beaches for free,dirty beaches no tourists therefore no business,its not rocket science,surely by now with the lack of tourists in Bali because of the Volcano they would have the smarts to do anything to entice tourists But that would involve thinking and planning something that is not in abundance in RI

Teddybear

Bali, Indonesias newest National Park. In Oz entry fees apply to enter some Parks, Well there it is , a Bali National park fee ( aka GST, Rubbish Tax, Bintang Tax, Arrival Tax, ). Damn where is my AL SPARK , I am running low again on ideas. Just one step to the left, And madness takes it till. T.

Teddybear

Teddybear wroteBali, Indonesias newest National Park. In Oz entry fees apply to enter some Parks, Well there it is , a Bali National park fee ( aka GST, Rubbish Tax, Bintang Tax, Arrival Tax, ). Damn where is my AL SPARK , I am running low again on ideas. Just one step to the left, And madness takes it till. T.

Till is Toll,

mugwump

Nydave wroteI have respect for your idea,however on an island where 70% of its revenue is generated from tourism it's crazy to expect tourists to pay to have a clean beach,check out Thailand where they have rubbish problems on the beach also , the local small businesses go out every morning and clean the beaches for free,dirty beaches no tourists therefore no business,its not rocket science,surely by now with the lack of tourists in Bali because of the Volcano they would have the smarts to do anything to entice tourists But that would involve thinking and planning something that is not in abundance in RI

Amen!

Teddybear

Nydave wroteI have respect for your idea,however on an island where 70% of its revenue is generated from tourism it's crazy to expect tourists to pay to have a clean beach,check out Thailand where they have rubbish problems on the beach also , the local small businesses go out every morning and clean the beaches for free,dirty beaches no tourists therefore no business,its not rocket science,surely by now with the lack of tourists in Bali because of the Volcano they would have the smarts to do anything to entice tourists But that would involve thinking and planning something that is not in abundance in RI

Gday, maybe I need to think of another name for this Rubbish Tax, Mmmn maybe a Bintang tax, accommodation tax , employee tip tax, taxi tax, well lets just call it GST.Goods and Services Tax. And drop it to 5 cents per purchase, 5000R. If it was marketed correctly as a charitable tax to help employ locals then I am sure all these cashed up tourists wont mind , What a difference Balinese peoples attitudes would be . Or just ask for more donations from other countries to pay for a huge incinerator, oops they have one already Mt Agung. I am running out of ideas now , Oh another maybe is to get rid of one use plastics, market Bali as a National Park, and bring over a colony of Koala Bears from Oz and maybe a Platypus or two. Build an Aquarium, a Zoo ,Bali should send a delegation to Cairns and take note of ,the Lagoon and its birdlife, the Boardwalk, the harbour restaurants , a tourist town if there ever was one, All of Balis temples and ceremonies are a plus and enhanced to make it more tourist friendly like offering tourists to spend a day in the shoes of a traditional balinese, maybe they already do I am unsure if this happens. , I know lets start a GO FUND account to build a proper waste management facility. I agree Bali has competition from other tourist hotspots but they not as close to Oz than Bali, 3 hours from Perth, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore a little further. From Bali a National Park fan member. AM I being silly now ? T.

Teddybear

Nydave wroteI have respect for your idea,however on an island where 70% of its revenue is generated from tourism it's crazy to expect tourists to pay to have a clean beach,check out Thailand where they have rubbish problems on the beach also , the local small businesses go out every morning and clean the beaches for free,dirty beaches no tourists therefore no business,its not rocket science,surely by now with the lack of tourists in Bali because of the Volcano they would have the smarts to do anything to entice tourists But that would involve thinking and planning something that is not in abundance in RI

Didn't the local Muslims gather together to clean up the beachs not long ago, so the effort was there , Thousands I heard. Its all very well collecting this rubbish but a permanent solution definetly needs to be found. Recycling into floating pontoons, build a pontoon bridge to OZ. Rubber marine products, rubber paving, . Rubber condoms, be HIV aware Just another health warning from T.

davita

Bali Hindu religion is one of the spiritual reasons tourists come to Bali to observe. It is so intertwined into daily life nothing else seems to matter...but it may also be their economic undoing when tourists find some other place more attractive. Most garbage on the streets, which sweep into the drains and eventually into the rivers to the sea, are created in the Temples. Much of the garbage that [B]is [/B]collected is burned making the air toxic. A recycling plant, and the land it occupies, defies their God's will. Generating needed electricity by using geo-thermal has already been nixed as contrary to God' desires. Creating a reservoir to collect water during the wet-season to provide for the increasing demand isn't the way Bali Hindu Priests think. Enlarging roads to cater for increased traffic isn't acceptable as many street Puras will have to be removed.......the list goes ON. I'm not suggesting I have any religious agenda...just showing wherein there's a problem that, if THEY don't get to grips with soon...will be obvious when they say "What happened?"...as their economy collapsed due to lack of tourism.

Harry08

Davita, if bali hade wide avenues and more concrete and shopping malls etc, I would never come back here. Why bother, I can get that crap all over the world. Screw wide roads, make them narrower :) Regarding recycling, I agree with you. Electricity? Hmm, tricky stuff and so is collecting water. Maybe they want to depend on the weather and seasons. I Bali was like Dubai... pff, thank you but no! Problem is that we westerners think we got something special going. Do we? Yes, but we got there on our own. This is why recycling, clean energy etc. makes sense to us. I know one thing for sure that if nation, continent, country or even a village etc is pulled into 21 century from mud and sticks age, only bad thing happen. Most of Africa, India, China, Middle-East etc. what a global cluster fu** those countries have become. Remember Star Trek prime directive :) look it up.

davita

The genesis of my post # 29 was to indicate how Bali has evolved and done nothing about its infrastructure. Bali had doubled its population in the last 50 years and, notwithstanding the requirements of tourism, has hardly dented its [B]own[/B] requirement for energy, water, garbage and infrastructure, due to their religious and cultural zealousness. They are brought up to think the Gods will always provide and they don't have to do anything except pray and make offerings. Time will tell if that works....I was in Bali after the second bomb, when the place was devoid of white-looking tourists, and they couldn't do enough to welcome me....and hoped I'd spend a lot of money. edit: I predict this latest fervency to switch the internet off during Nyepi will bite them in the Ass...watch the hotel occupancy next year!

tel522

davita said: ↑ edit: I predict this latest fervency to switch the internet off during Nyepi will bite them in the Ass...watch the hotel occupancy next year! Turning off Internet on Nyepi is nothing new. Locals like it. It has meaning for them. If they seriously want to follow the sentiment of nyepi , the first thing they should do is close all the hotels for that period , but of course they wont do that because it hits them in the pocket , a modern idea methinks .

Harry08

davita wroteThe genesis of my post # 29 was to indicate how Bali has evolved and done nothing about its infrastructure. Bali had doubled its population in the last 50 years and, notwithstanding the requirements of tourism, has hardly dented its [B]own[/B] requirement for energy, water, garbage and infrastructure, due to their religious and cultural zealousness.

Imagine, if they had updated everything according to growing demand. Bali would be one big pile of skyscrapers and highways. Thank you but no, thanks.

davita wrote They are brought up to think the Gods will always provide and they don't have to do anything except pray and make offerings. Time will tell if that works....I was in Bali after the second bomb, when the place was devoid of white-looking tourists, and they couldn't do enough to welcome me....and hoped I'd spend a lot of money.

I'm not a luddite but I think we need places like that so we can take time of from the relentless greed driven "who has more shiny crap before they die, wins!" world. Planet is full of concrete jungles, where 25 % of population has become mentally ill. Yes, seriously ill - lonely, depressed, childless, perverted, godless, afraid, bald and fat. :)

davita wrote edit: I predict this latest fervency to switch the internet off during Nyepi will bite them in the Ass...watch the hotel occupancy next year!

Turning off Internet on Nyepi is nothing new. Locals like it. It has meaning for them.

Harry08

Dude, you must have met some really shitty people here. Chinese? Locals I have met and hang around with daily never ask for anything. If I buy a service, sure, I pay, like everywhere else. Nothing wrong with that.

Nydave

Are you referring to Chinese people as Shitty people ????,sure seems that way from your last post,

davita

Harry08 wroteImagine, if they had updated everything according to growing demand. Bali would be one big pile of skyscrapers and highways. Thank you but no, thanks. I'm not a luddite but I think we need places like that so we can take time of from the relentless greed driven "who has more shiny crap before they die, wins!" world. Planet is full of concrete jungles, where 25 % of population has become mentally ill. Yes, seriously ill - lonely, depressed, childless, perverted, godless, afraid, bald and fat. :) Turning off Internet on Nyepi is nothing new. Locals like it. It has meaning for them.

Harry you talk like you are unaware there are 4 million Balinese. Historically they lived off the land and enjoyed their lifestyle for generations...just like any other civilizations but, for the past 50 years Bali has enjoyed the unique benefits of tourism. It started small and has now developed into a robust industry....and that is how Balinese now survive, put food on the table and send children to school. Historically, other civilizations survived by agriculture then along came the industrial revolution and other modernity concepts...and those who did not accept, and lived in the past, effectively died...just like the dinosaurs. I understand you don't want to live where mammon prevails and therefore you will leave...that's great. Then I suggest you find where your own 'haven' is and move there...it certainly isn't in Bali where greed does prevail, and is well known, even to other Indonesians. BTW I read the Jakarta Gov't has denied Bali from turning off the internet.

davita

Teddybear wroteA mobile recycling plant could be a solution located on a ship off the coast of Bali and awaiting, receiving, scooping waste, T.

What method of recycling do you envisage for this floating plant and how do you see the garbage being transported onto the float? I'd be worried Susi might think it's a pirate ship.... and blow it up...:D

Teddybear

davita wroteBali Hindu religion is one of the spiritual reasons tourists come to Bali to observe. It is so intertwined into daily life nothing else seems to matter...but it may also be their economic undoing when tourists find some other place more attractive. Most garbage on the streets, which sweep into the drains and eventually into the rivers to the sea, are created in the Temples. Much of the garbage that [B]is [/B]collected is burned making the air toxic. A recycling plant, and the land it occupies, defies their God's will. Generating needed electricity by using geo-thermal has already been nixed as contrary to God' desires. Creating a reservoir to collect water during the wet-season to provide for the increasing demand isn't the way Bali Hindu Priests think. Enlarging roads to cater for increased traffic isn't acceptable as many street Puras will have to be removed.......the list goes ON. I'm not suggesting I have any religious agenda...just showing wherein there's a problem that, if THEY don't get to grips with soon...will be obvious when they say "What happened?"...as their economy collapsed due to lack of tourism.

A mobile recycling plant could be a solution located on a ship off the coast of Bali and awaiting, receiving, scooping waste, T.

davita

Re: Teddybear's recent posts here... WoW!....where can I get some of what he smokes, drinks or even injects..... seems I'm missing out on a great party...:confused:;)

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