Just when things were starting to get better

[spicyayam]

It started feeling like Covid numbers were going down in Bali, probably due to the vaccination rollout. It seems like the new variants have hit Java, and with the increase in domestic travel during the school holidays, it seems like numbers will go up here also.

I believe there were plans to open Bali up more in July, but this will probably get pushed back again. You have to feels sorry for Balinese who have done the right thing in getting vaccinated and taking precautions, like mask wearing.

It is apparently not easy getting vaccinated in other parts of Indonesia, so unless more vaccines can be made available, I fear we could see something similar to what happened in India , unless greater precautions are taken.

Indonesia reports highest daily COVID-19 rise in four months with 12,600 new cases - National - The Jakarta Post

Health authorities reported 12,624 new COVID-19 cases on Thursday, the highest daily rise since February, bringing the total number of cases to 1.95 million.

www.thejakartapost.com

 

[Markit]

Recommend to anyone that you know that CANNOT get vaccinated to go for this option invermectin :
1) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/
2) https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ivermectin-new-penicillin
3) https://journals.lww.com/americanth...r_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx?s=04
Remember hearing about how India was dying under the pandemic a few weeks ago? Ivermectin
Ditto many other countries.
Available as dog medicine from Tokopedia.

 

[tel522]

Recommend to anyone that you know that CANNOT get vaccinated to go for this option invermectin :
1) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/
2) https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ivermectin-new-penicillin
3) https://journals.lww.com/americanth...r_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx?s=04
Remember hearing about how India was dying under the pandemic a few weeks ago? Ivermectin
Ditto many other countries.
Available as dog medicine from Tokopedia.

FDA

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent ...

and WHO say the same thing .

hati hati !

 

[JackStraw]

Yes, I really do feel sorry for the Balinese in this situation. Sorry that they have a government squashing their hopes and dreams without remorse. The Balinese have no choice but to watch their livelihood wither away piece by piece.

I guarantee if you ask any business owner in the tourism industry if they would prefer to keep their business closed or open up the borders and take their chance with a virus that has a 99% survival rate, they would choose the latter.

 

[Markit]

FDA

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent ...

and WHO say the same thing .

hati hati !

You are correct with your quotations but please read the negative ones carefully. No evidence is offered, just a vague "feeling" of woe. They have not tested it but just a generic "should not use".

If you google it you will find many examples of countries/states/people that have used it to good effect against Covid.

I'm not a fanatic but if it has an positive effect on health and costs next to nothing and has no proven downside after 100 years or so of use then WHY NOT take it if you have no alternative?

 

[tel522]

You are correct with your quotations but please read the negative ones carefully. No evidence is offered, just a vague "feeling" of woe. They have not tested it but just a generic "should not use".

If you google it you will find many examples of countries/states/people that have used it to good effect against Covid.

I'm not a fanatic but if it has an positive effect on health and costs next to nothing and has no proven downside after 100 years or so of use then WHY NOT take it if you have no alternative?

EMA advises against use of ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 outside randomised clinical trials

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EMA has reviewed the latest evidence on the use of ivermectin for the prevention and treatment of COVID-19 and concluded that the available data do not support its use for COVID-19 outside well-designed clinical trials.
In the EU, ivermectin tablets are approved for treating some parasitic worm infestations while ivermectin skin preparations are approved for treating skin conditions such as rosacea. Ivermectin is also authorised for veterinary use for a wide range of animal species for internal and external parasites.

I prefer to follow advice from the specialists , rather than follow "quackery" of the like suggested by herr trumpf ,chloroquine , disinfectant injections ,strong lights and god knows what else .

 

[Markit]

EMA advises against use of ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 outside randomised clinical trials

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I prefer to follow advice from the specialists , rather than follow "quackery" of the like suggested by herr trumpf ,chloroquine , disinfectant injections ,strong lights and god knows what else .

Please do as you feel is right but also bear in mind your "news" is from March and a week is a long time in this pandemic...

 

[Mark]

Yes, I really do feel sorry for the Balinese in this situation. Sorry that they have a government squashing their hopes and dreams without remorse. The Balinese have no choice but to watch their livelihood wither away piece by piece.

I guarantee if you ask any business owner in the tourism industry if they would prefer to keep their business closed or open up the borders and take their chance with a virus that has a 99% survival rate, they would choose the latter.

The covid survival rate is actually 96.8% in Bali, so given Bali's reported case total as of today, that's north of another 1,000 people dead (so far) than if the survival rate was 99% ... So no big deal, unless it's your mother, father, son, daughter, friend, etc. But you're right, most Balinese business owners would prefer to open fully and take their chances.

 

[JackStraw]

The covid survival rate is actually 96.8% in Bali, so given Bali's reported case total as of today, that's north of another 1,000 people dead (so far) than if the survival rate was 99% ... So no big deal, unless it's your mother, father, son, daughter, friend, etc. But you're right, most Balinese business owners would prefer to open fully and take their chances.

But what percentage of those people dying are young and healthy? If you're old, unhealthy, and have pre-existing health conditions then stay home. But why punish the vast majority of people who are healthy by saving a few thousand people that would probably die on their own anyway if they got the common cold.

JackStraw for Bali Governor 2024. I accept campaign donations in Dogecoin only. Thanks in advance.

 

[harryopal]

A report today in the Moscow Times is perhaps indicative of how unlikely we are to get out of this pandemic mess any time soon. As you have probably heard Moscow has had record high cases recorded of Covid. So this latest story is a matter for concern.

"Delta is considered the most contagious variant of the coronavirus yet. Studies have shown that it is at least 40% more transmissible than the Alpha variant first detected in the United Kingdom last year, which in turn was about 50% more transmissible than the Wuhan strain
What makes the Delta variant especially dangerous, doctors in hospitals across Moscow said in interviews last week, is that it does not seem to respond as well to treatments previously used on Covid-19 patients.
“The drugs we have been using throughout the pandemic are getting less effective, we have to use large doses,” said Anton, a doctor treating Covid patients in Clinical Hospital Number 52, who asked for his last name to be withheld due to new legislations forbidding medics from talking to the media.
Studies in India have already indicated that antibody drugs and Covid-19 vaccines are less effective against the Delta variant.
“What we did before just isn’t working anymore,” said Yekaterina, a medic working at Moscow’s Clinical Hospital Number 50.
On June 10, the chief doctor of Moscow's flagship Covid-19 hospital, Denis Protsenko, told the Echo Moskvy radio station that patients were not responding to previously effective treatments."

 

[Markit]

A report today in the Moscow Times is perhaps indicative of how unlikely we are to get out of this pandemic mess any time soon. As you have probably heard Moscow has had record high cases recorded of Covid. So this latest story is a matter for concern.

"Delta is considered the most contagious variant of the coronavirus yet. Studies have shown that it is at least 40% more transmissible than the Alpha variant first detected in the United Kingdom last year, which in turn was about 50% more transmissible than the Wuhan strain
What makes the Delta variant especially dangerous, doctors in hospitals across Moscow said in interviews last week, is that it does not seem to respond as well to treatments previously used on Covid-19 patients.
“The drugs we have been using throughout the pandemic are getting less effective, we have to use large doses,” said Anton, a doctor treating Covid patients in Clinical Hospital Number 52, who asked for his last name to be withheld due to new legislations forbidding medics from talking to the media.
Studies in India have already indicated that antibody drugs and Covid-19 vaccines are less effective against the Delta variant.
“What we did before just isn’t working anymore,” said Yekaterina, a medic working at Moscow’s Clinical Hospital Number 50.
On June 10, the chief doctor of Moscow's flagship Covid-19 hospital, Denis Protsenko, told the Echo Moskvy radio station that patients were not responding to previously effective treatments."

Oh most importance in the Russian article I thought:
D. Protsenko noted that the vaccination facilitates the course of the disease. “There are patients with vaccinations, but we have not seen a single case of severe course, so that after vaccination patients have gotten to artificial lung vaccination to date. It is very important to understand that vaccination is, first of all, a guarantee of a non-severe, non-fatal course of coronavirus infection, ”he said.

 

[spicyayam]

Recommend to anyone that you know that CANNOT get vaccinated to go for this option invermectin :
1) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/
2) https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ivermectin-new-penicillin
3) https://journals.lww.com/americanth...r_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx?s=04
Remember hearing about how India was dying under the pandemic a few weeks ago? Ivermectin
Ditto many other countries.
Available as dog medicine from Tokopedia.

These guys believe invermectin could end the pandemic. They say it is both an effective treatment and method for prevention. The reason they say it is not being adopted is that it is a generic drug, widely available and not subject to any patents.

The say one dose is around $1, where the only FDA approved drug is remdesivir which is something like $3000. https://abcnews.go.com/US/covid-19-drug-remdesivir-cost-3120-us-patients/story?id=71509977

https://open.spotify.com/episode/7uVXKgE6eLJKMXkETwcw0D

It is very interesting having a look at Youtube's guidelines about Covid-19 about what you can and cannot say.

Medical misinformation policy - YouTube Help

YouTube doesn't allow content that poses a serious risk of egregious harm by spreading medical misinformation that contradicts local health authorities’ (LHAs) or the World Health Organization’s (WHO)

support.google.com

 

[Markit]

The list of things YouTube won't allow is quite breathtaking!

Sorry if this is also not allowed but...

https://shopee.co.id/search?keyword=ivermectin%20tablet

 

[mugwump]

Hard to believe anyone would walk this delicate path and endorse anything that could possibly influence someones life! Having opinions are one thing, but this is a different track, and anyone influencing another on this subject is something to be lived with.

 

[Zimbo]

People will try all sorts of really stupid things, like prayer!

 

[Markit]

Hard to believe anyone would walk this delicate path and endorse anything that could possibly influence someones life! Having opinions are one thing, but this is a different track, and anyone influencing another on this subject is something to be lived with.

I'm looking for the sarcasm alert!>>>?

 

[Rangi]

Personally since last March last year I have been loving it. Less crowds around. The roads are quieter and to top it all off, covid19 prices everywhere. This has been wonderful. I get it has made life difficult for a lot of people, but for me personally this has been a wonderful time.

 

[spicyayam]

Hard to believe anyone would walk this delicate path and endorse anything that could possibly influence someones life! Having opinions are one thing, but this is a different track, and anyone influencing another on this subject is something to be lived with.

Even though a lot of videos get taken down by YT there is still plenty of good information.

You can also read more on their website: https://covid19criticalcare.com/

 

[mugwump]

Even though a lot of videos get taken down by YT there is still plenty of good information.

You can also read more on their website: https://covid19criticalcare.com/

An article is no better than its source of information. If there were any validity to this organization and what they endorse why hasn't it been approved by the FDA? Ironically the home of this group is in Washington D.C.
While Americans have access to vaccines scientifically proven to be over 90% effective at no cost why would anyone donate to an organization promoting this stuff?

 

[spicyayam]

An article is no better than its source of information. If there were any validity to this organization and what they endorse why hasn't it been approved by the FDA? Ironically the home of this group is in Washington D.C.
While Americans have access to vaccines scientifically proven to be over 90% effective at no cost why would anyone donate to an organization promoting this stuff?

The drug itself I believe has FDA approval. It can be prescribed by doctors in the US. In some countries it is not available at all and in some countries it can be bought over the counter.

Not everyone can or wants to take the vaccine, so it would seem a good way to get herd immunity up to 80% or greater which I believe it needs to be.

I could also see it as a good preventative measure, like if you are going into a high risk situation, airline flight or hotel quarantine. It is also safe for kids, where vaccine remains untested.

While vaccine rates are high in the US, how about the rest of the world. While the virus is still spreading in other countries, then everywhere remains at risk, and there is also the risk of even more deadly variants, like what happened in India.

There are an increasing number of studies showing the effectiveness of the drug.

The problem is that it faces from getting government approvals include:

- it is cheap to produce. There are no patents restricting production.
- the Emergency Use Authorization for vaccines would need to be stopped as they can only be used if no other alternative is available https://www.biznews.com/thought-leaders/2021/05/12/mailbox-ivermectin
- it is difficult to get funding for studies/trials for drugs that are already on the market and no profit can be made from their sale
- governments have chosen the vaccine route and I doubt they change their course of action. By approving an alternative drug, then it would obviously upset the drug companies who may use their power to control supply of vaccines.

Even with vaccines you can get the virus and still spread it, so they are not the final solution to end the pandemic, even though they have probably helped in some parts of the world.