Indo enactment regarding Porn

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Porn Law still being discussing by Indo legislative; pro and contra emerged not only in media, but also in some mailing list --at least the mailing list i joined in.

Trying to qoute some of the articles which stipulated on the draft , I just mention some articled on that law (maybe one of you would like to give any comment ?
art. 25 : it is forbiden for adult to show off of part of "certain" body (should I mention those? or this web site administrator will cencor it :) )
art 28 : eroctic dance / move in public area is banned
art 38 : sport only at sport spot --not in public and open area
art 9 par 2 : it is prohibited to make film/ script/ exploiting sex or related to that
art 27 : kissing (lips) in front of people in public area
 

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RE: Indo enactrment regarding Porn

Every day here I see certain bodies that shouldn't be shown in public! :oops:

:shock: People KISSING in PUBLIC!!! God forbid anyone should see that. :roll: Could you imagine the horror of, say, children seeing their parents kiss? ON THE LIPS!? Oh, its too much to bear! please someone pass a law! Anything! Just make them STOP!:lol:

Bli Gede
 

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RE: Indo enactrment regarding Porn

Smusdar...it's much worse than that!

Within its current form, the draft now being discussed by the central DPR, Indonesia, the wearing of traditional brocade by Balinese women at temple would also be prohibited...as they are partially "see through."

Moreover, and this is worst of all, the legal age would be reduced from what it is currently, at age 18...to 12! TWELVE! Will that mean it's OK to have sex with a minor, but no longer OK...even for tourists, to wear a bikini on any of the beaches in Bali!

The Bali papers have been full of stories about this most outrageous proposed law for many, many weeks...as you can imagine.

My wife chuckles every day reading the Bali Post and Nusa. In one article, a young Balinese women was quoted....”what will they do to my mother? She never wears a top. Will she be off to jail?” Another Balinese wrote...”what to do with our mandi in the river?”

In Bali, no one is supporting this move back into the dark ages. No group in Bali, including all the women’s groups supports it.

I won’t elaborate, but I find this kind of legislative proposal very scary. That it even “hit the floor” of the DPR in Jakarta is really scary. The basis of my fear?...you can figure it out.
 

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Could you imagine the horror of, say, children seeing their parents kiss? ON THE LIPS!? Oh, its too much to bear! please someone pass a law! Anything! Just make them STOP!

Bli Gede, maybe indo govt just want to say "Get a room please" to them who kissing to hot :D

I have no idea why indo DPR drawn up that LAw, i respect the good faith of them ..to protect indo people from porns magazine, films, because the statisctic of rape increase every year...the worst is: many teenagers commit rape to kids under 10 y.o.

it is very easy for teenagers get porn VCD in jakarta....

FYI we still arguing about playboy plan to launch indo version of Playboy magazine..
 

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Good grief!

I have no idea why indo DPR drawn up that LAw, i respect the good faith of them ..to protect indo people from porns magazine, films, because the statisctic of rape increase every year...the worst is: many teenagers commit rape to kids under 10 y.o.
it is very easy for teenagers get porn VCD in jakarta....
FYI we still arguing about playboy plan to launch indo version of Playboy magazine..

Absolutely, NO COMMENT! :evil: If I carried on with this, I'd likely be deported in a week or so :!:

But...I have to ask...Golly be Smusdar, ever have some fun in Java with Dangdut? :p

Sorry, a bit more based on what your wrote:

the worst is: many teenagers commit rape to kids under 10 y.o.

So, does this mean you're OK with kids being no longer kids (at age 12) under the new law that may come from the DPR of Indonesia? Are YOU NUTS?

Have you read the proposed law, and do you understand it? I highly doubt that your honest answer would be yes, on either count.
 

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So, does this mean you're OK with kids being no longer kids (at age 12) under the new law that may come from the DPR of Indonesia? Are YOU NUTS?

what ? no, i am not, i am too sad, if i watch news in TV....that's all..
Have you read the proposed law, and do you understand it? I highly doubt that your honest answer would be yes, on either count.

gimme ur email address and i will forward that draft.. of course i understand.. it's written in BAHASA anyway...my mother tounger..notwithstanding my background is law ?? :roll:
 

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No need Smusdar, as I already have the draft, and have for weeks. It's appalling...simply put. Moreover, it will never get the support, in it’s current draft form, from the province of Bali...and of that, you can be sure, your studies in law, not withstanding!
 

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Legislating morality has seldom done any good -anywhere, anytime.
It is very worrisome indeed why the ID gov. may wish to pass legislation with some...I'll say it...'shariah' type laws...
I do not think this law has much of a chance passing, But who knows? North Dakota USA has just made abortion illegal in all cases other than the mother's life being in mortal danger. -An obvious attempt to start the overturning of Roe v. Wade.
 

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MADE ..My wife and I where horrorfied to here what North Dakoda did!!! ...as far as what being said in this string all i have to say is ..eeeggadd !!! good luck to all you guys that have to live threw this witch burning in indo ...one question is the forse thats driving these changes a muslum mindset ?
 

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hi Marko,
yap, i get the info from NARAL :

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well, i would like to add my previous quote about the law :
there is exception for art. 28 (sprry dont have time to translate it in English..but in it legal, IF it is in line with local tradition..

DIKECUALIKAN untuk (Pasal 36): Cara Berbusana dan/atau Tingkah laku yang menjadi kebiasaan menurut Adat Istiadat dan/atau Budaya Kesukuan, SEPANJANG BERKAITAN DENGAN PELAKSANAAN RITUS KEAGAMAAN ATAU KEPERCAYAAN, Kegiatan Seni, HANYA dapat dilaksanakan di TEMPAT KHUSUS PERTUNJUKAN SENI- YANG MENDAPATKAN IZIN DARI PEMERINTAH (Pasal 37)

Got to work no.. TGI Friday :) [/quote]
 

made marko

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My regards to your horrified wife, brother Jamie.
I am honored to be the topic of your 108th post.
I have been watching #'s rather closely lately, especially the count regarding my posts.
I have been categorized as 'groupie' for some time and would like to think that my number quickly approching 200 may allow me to be reborn in the 'elite' warna???
Little sister Sari.
I am happy to hear there are no plans to arrest oom Ror'y mother-in-law for not wearing her top warm days!
Do not let news get us down brother and sister.
 

made marko

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How did that extra 'r' get in there? Sorry Bli Roy. -Should read Oom Roy's mother-in law.
Also 'South' Dakota.
I should spend more time watching my words insted of numbers. :oops:
 

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Perhaps the draft issue of this proposed bill has been revised, beyond the weeks old copy I have on hand. I sure hope so, as there is no way the Province of Bali will accept it in its initial, draft form.

Two weeks ago, I watched in horror, while a prominent member of the Jakarta DPR urged (on Metro TV) that the bill be passed, “as is” (the draft issue), with details, and appropriate revisions to be made at a later date. A later date! That ridiculous proposal did not escape notice here in Bali, I can assure you.

Made, your first post on this string, regarding this issue put the “hammer on the nail.” Since I live here, that’s as far as I will go...but, maybe Smusdar can explain if the legal age issue...i.e. the reduction in that age from 18 to 12 has also been addressed in any revisions of the originally submitted proposed bill?
 

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Om Roy, a friend of mine promise to forward the latest draft --he got it from KOMNAS Perempuan..has been analyzed which clausul is unfair for women

maturity under indo law has some version, as mentioned in some Laws. (marriage, Civil LAw, Election , etc) but we can say it is 18 y.o.
 

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I'd like to see that...and so would my wife, and I expect a number of others (ladies in particular) on this forum. So...when you can, please publish it (in its Indonesian format)...and many thanks.
 

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I don't know anything about these new proposed laws, but I found it interesting that Indonesia once was a bit liberal for a Moslem country, remembering the dress of the women in particular. Thirty-five years ago, women never covered their heads (except to Mosque) and wore quite low-cut kebayas, and very tight sarongs, and that was completely acceptable. No one wore Western clothes much, except in the city, where a woman was likely to have on a tight mid-calf length skirt and blouse, and that was office attire. This was in Jakarta, and thru-out Java, I always thought that they had a good balance between looking kind of sexy, and yet retaining much respect for being a bit modest.
 

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Well said, but when I mentioned how I would like to hear from other "ladies on this forum" I was specifically referring to Ni Luh and Kadek...both being Balinese, and both being VERY much...ladies.

Their "take" on this proposed law would be of great interest to me, and if either of them only wanted to share, via PM's that would be fine too. I know exactly where my wife stands on this issue, as well as her sister, Made, and her sister in law, Nyoman, (a Balinese from Lombok).

If Smusdar is able to provide the latest revsion of this propsed law, provided by Komnas Perempuan...the most influential "women's group" then for certain, I want to read it.
 

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My friend only has the hard copy --not the soft copy one. But he try to make it as PDF if possible.

Anyway, TS, i think at that age, criminality or sexual harrasment not much as now. didnt meant I 100 % agree with the proposed law nor 100 % disagree.. ( i totally agree if Indo govt create effective law / rules preventing corruption rather than this one..) but in my humble opinion as a young person, at that time people still "genuine" not like now, especially in big cities in indo and stil obey to social or "adat" norms
 

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Here is the issue more or less laid out. I consider this potential law to be of profoundly great importance to continued living here in R.I.

Balinese Make A Stand Against Controversial Law

I Wayan Juniartha
Denpasar, Bali


It wasn’t the kind of crowd that usually frequented the Classic Café, a chic establishment on the first floor of Kuta’s gigantic Discovery Mall. The café was known as the hub of choice for local yuppies looking for refreshing spirits and lively chats on antiquated vehicles from the time long gone.

On that excruciatingly humid Sunday afternoon, however, the café’s small elevated stage, was populated by three individuals. Their solemn faces were in stark contrast with the images of shining red vintage American-made car on the wall behind them.

The first person was I Gusti Ngurah Harta, the founder and leader of Sandhi Murti, a Balinese martial art institution with over 25,000 members across the island. Next to him was Prof. Dr. I Made Bandem, one of the island’s most influential scholar and respected dancer. The last person was Cokorda Sawitri, Bali’s leading woman writer and activist.


Before them sat dozens of people, some of them sported daring hairstyles, menacing tattoos and pierced nose. Among the crowd were two key figures of the island’s punk community, Rudolf Dethu and Jerinx of the Superman Is Dead’s fame.

It was a serious gathering and the topic was definitely not about Chevrolet Camaro or Alfa-Romeo Spider.


“We organize this meeting to show our support to Ngurah Harta, Made Bandem and Cok Sawitri in their effort to prevent the ratification of the law that would put a chain on our privacy and our freedom of expression,” Dethu said.


The Controversial Law


The law Dethu referred to was RUU (Rancangan Undang Undang) Antipornografi dan Pornoaksi (APP), a draft of legislation that is currently being deliberated upon by members of the country’s DPR (House of Representatives) in Jakarta.

Initiated and submitted by legislators from Islamic political parties, including the popular Justice and Prosperous Party (PKS), the 34-page draft contained 93 articles aimed at curbing the dissemination of pornographic materials in media outlets and eradicating pornographic actions.

The House was expected to ratify the draft in the next two months.


The draft soon sparked heated debate in various corners of the country, particularly among the local communities that had different cultural values and religious belief than the one adhered by the legislators who supported the draft.

In Bali, the first opposition was voiced by the tourism sector. Several influential figures in the sector, including the chairman of the Bali’s Hotels and Restaurants Association, Tjokorda Ardhana Sukawati, expressed their fear that the RUU APP would cause an irreversible damage to the tourism industry, the island’s economic backbone.

“What will happen if you prohibit, or worse, prosecute the foreigners just because they are sunbathing in public beaches in their bikinis? I think everybody know the answer,” he said.

“The tourists will abandon Bali. After all, nobody want to go on vacation only to end up in prison,” he added.

The RUU APP explicitly prohibited the display of nudity or any other sensual body parts. Those body parts, according to the RUU, included genitals, breasts, buttocks, thigh, hip and navel.

Any person, who fully or partially exposed such organs, would face a prison sentence ranged from two to ten years. The maximum sentence was definitely heavier than the seven year prison term dictated by the Criminal Code (KUHP) for a person who assaulted and killed another person.

Moreover, the offender would also face a hefty fine up to one billion Rupiah (over 10,000 USD), a far too scary consequence for showing the world your beautiful, pierced navel!

Organized Response

The sporadic response evolved into an organized movement when I Gusti Ngurah Harta used Sandhi Murti’s financial resource and social network to organize a gathering of Balinese scholars, religious leaders, legal experts and artists on February 11 to form a unified stance against the RUU APP.

It turned out that the participants held a similar grudge against the RUU APP. The influential columnist, Aridus made a record by presenting the shortest speech on the forum.

“I reject the RUU APP because it is an idiotically ludicrous piece of document, period,” he said.

Meanwhile, Prof. Dr. I Made Bandem gave a powerful tour-de-force on how the broad coverage of the RUU APP would adversely affect the creative realm of the art, including some of the island’s most popular dances.

“For instance, the Joged Bumbung dance, which is known for its sensuous movement, will surely face a grim future,” he said.

Most importantly, Bandem reminded that the monolithic and hegemonic nature of the RUU APP had blatantly ignored one crucial fact; that Indonesia was a multicultural society with different social norms and religious values.

“The people in Jakarta and the people in Bali or Papua have a different concept and interpretation on what could be categorized as sensual or as pornographic,” he stressed.

“A failure to respect and accommodate these different, indigenous concepts and traditions could create a divisional conflict between Jakarta and the supporters of the RUU with the rest of the country,” he warned.

A respected Hindu high priest Ida Pedanda Gede Ketut Sebali Tianyar Arimbawa took Bandem’s argument further, reminding that sexual organs were important parts of the religion’s sacred iconography.

“Lingga and Yoni, the three-dimensional image of phallus and vagina, are the sacred symbol of divine creation and sustenance, fertility and creativity. The full breast of Kali or Durga are the symbolic representation of their motherly compassion in nurturing the universe,” he described.

“Sexual organs and nudity are often the primary characteristic of our sacred objects of worships,” Sebali added.

“Balinese culture and belief had never considered sexual organs, nudity and sensuality as filthy, morally reprehensible and offensive things,” scholar I Ketut Sumarta said.

In this perspective, the RUU APP would not only threaten the island’s creative arts but also endangered its primary belief system.

The gathering produced a comprehensive rejection document that would be presented to the House.

Waves of Support

The forum immediately triggered waves of support from various organizations and individuals in the island. Some of them had even planned a huge mass rally to gather public support.

“The local NGOs, particularly the ones that deal with gender equality and children welfare, had asked me to organize such rally. I think we will do it early on March,” Cok Sawitri said.

Meanwhile, both Dethu and Jerinx disclosed that the punk community would organize a major concert to voice their opposition to the RUU APP.

“If the Balinese stands united I see no reason why we could not block the legislation or staging a civil disobedience movement if the legislators stubbornly ratify it,” Ngurah Harta said.

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Roy

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Well done Py, and very nice to have you back.

When you write:

I consider this potential law to be of profoundly great importance to continued living here in R.I.

I cannot agree with you more! It's great to have you back and many thanks for making this proposed law more understood by those who might otherwise say, "so what?"