baliwaste
Hi all,Need advice, We are looking to bring a waste collection and MRF facility to Bali.We are looking for a large industrial unit approx 10000sqft or around 5 acres of land.I know industrial units are not the norm in Bali but we can work with a site. The site needs to have access to power and water. The building or site should not be near tourist areas.Thanks in advance.Joe
scout
Fantastic!!!!!!! I will talk to some people I know.....
ferdie
I think Celukan Bawang in Bulelelng is the only industrial zone in Bali
SHoggard
You should check with Paula at ecobali, they've been in the game for a good number of years : [url=http://www.eco-bali.com/]Eco Bali Recycling[/url]
baliwaste
Thanks will do! I think they have a pretty modest operation but what we are looking at is processing up 200,000 tonnes of waste per year including reclaimation from the existing dumps. We would be interested in working with them though.Joe
ferdie
the big problem with industry is they like they money but they don't want to confront the problem on waste management :hopelessness:The words "as long as its not in my backyard" will spring in the head of most officials hereHope you could establish your business soon, because Bali need it soon:icon_e_geek:
joji gulapetis
Hi all,Need advice, We are looking to bring a waste collection and MRF facility to Bali.We are looking for a large industrial unit approx 10000sqft or around 5 acres of land.I know industrial units are not the norm in Bali but we can work with a site. The site needs to have access to power and water. The building or site should not be near tourist areas.Thanks in advance.Joe[/QUOTE]Joe, 10,000 sq feet is less than a 1/4 of an acre. 5 acres is roughly 20,000 sq metres or 2 hectare. I think that 2 hectares would be what you are looking for. Access to power and water will be your problem because Bali is heading for a major crises for both of these. Wish you luck, the patience of Job, and bloody deep pockets. :topsy_turvy:
SHoggard
baliwaste; hope you don't mind me asking but:1. How long have you been in Bali/Indonesia2. Have you researched the current ways of dealing with MSW? (I'm not talking about dumping it in rivers or anyold spare plot of land & burning it)3. How's the supply-chain set-up coming along? Ie: - where are you going to get your 200,000 tonnes of waste per year?- you say you are setting up a 'waste collection' system - I assume you will be funding it?- are you looking at MSW, Household or Industrial Waste- is is mixed, or selectively separated? - how much are you going to pay for it? If there's a hint that you're going to make money, you'll be surprised at how suddenly '[B]waste[/B]' becomes a '[B]valuable resource[/B]' 4. ecobali may appear to be a modest operation - it is - but it is probably one of the very [I]very[/I] few functioning waste collection operators in Bali5. when you say you'll be processing - what system: recovery, incineration etc etc .... you've checked the various permits required, I assume - they probably vary regency to regency, even desa to desa.6, Finally, why Bali?... if this is a commercial venture, Surabaya, Semarang, Jkt Major urban centres in Indonesia produce nearly10 million tons of waste PA with 2-4% annual increases. By2019, the volume Jakarta's will exceed the design capacity of Bantar Gebang landfill..... 70% of which is NOT packaging, plastic etc but organic, suggesting industrial composting.I'm not trying to be negative here, God knows Bali DOES need competent MSW systems. I just wonder if you aren't putting the cart before the horse, as it were, and applying western logic (build it & they'll come).
baliwaste
Joji,10000sqft is the minimum size we can use for the plant equipment but the bigger the better. Water is only for sanitation and drinking and eventually power will be supplied through our own generators with fuel from anaerobic digestersJoe
spicyayam
I think everyone here tourist/expat/local can only hope you succeed with your project/business. I think I am just used to garbage collection being one of the basic duties of local government. I know posting here is something of a start, but I would have thought you really need to get local and regent governments onboard. Surely there must government at some level who must be willing to give/lend you some land to get this going? Is this a for profit business or are you like an NGO?
baliwaste
Shoggard 1 - we are not in Bali - yet! I plan to come out in April to look at possible sites and meet with the relevant authorities.2 - we have an established MRF facility here in the uk3 - we deal in single stream mixed municipal waste but we will also provide separating vessels be it bags or bins/boxes. We will have a capacity of 200000 tonnes. We will also look at mining from existing dumps.4- noted5 - we will recover all reusable materials, organics will be either composted or put into a digester and used for fuel. Everything else will be put into an incinerator or gasification plant.6 - I am looking to relocate to a tropical country, I love Bali having been there a few times. Yes this is a commercial venture, yes it will be hard, yes we are aware of the pitfalls and red tape. We will be talking with BKPM about the required permits Hope this helps Joe
baliwaste
Spicyayam,Yes we are aware that local government have a duty but it does not seem to be working. We will work with them though and even accept all their collections so to divert it from landfill.There is money in waste so it's a business not an NGO!
SHoggard
I admire your optimism, so I'm NOT trying to rain on your parade.But more questions:-1. Are you entereing Indonesia as a foreign invested company, or doing this as an individual2. Do you speak Bahasa Indonesia?3. W2E is a costly operation - what's the budget, 2, 3... 10 million?4. Where there's muck there's brass... so you expect to be paying for the waste you collect?5. Have you given any thought as to why ecobali is still a modest operation? It isn't an NGO, nor is it due to lack of management, vision, skills (language or otherwise), contacts (eg: they have major collection/recycling contracts with Tetrapak) ?I ask because I've been running annual Sustainable Packaging courses for industry in both Jakarta & Bali & do have some on the ground experience in the field...upstream.
baliwaste
1 - Not sure as we are in the process of selling the company here.2 - no3 - I am aware of the costs as we where involved in the setting up of one here in the uk, We are researching a medium scale gasification plant with a US company but I am not willing to discuss budgets on here.4 - As I said in a previous post we would work with the local authorities, businesses and general public. We will also look about mining the existing dumps5 - I am not concerned about other businesses, what they have or don't have. I will focus on my own interest.Anyway, back to the origional topic, The only reason I asked on here is I have emailed about 20 land/estate agents in Bali and only one has got back to me.
SHoggard
The only reason I asked on here is I have emailed about 20 land/estate agents in Bali and only one has got back to me.[/QUOTE]That's par for the course... the thought process is somewhat different... a. many don't speak English (or enough to reply to an email) ...see point 2 aboveb. you maybe you were quite detailed & used a lot of complicated words in your email so they didn't understand... even worse used the 'if' word (options & alternatives are not a strong point)c. you told them you're in the UK & they thought 'why bother'd. If you check back on the forum you'll read lots about property 'agents', 'middlemen' 'property websites' etc .. e. many of the websites are fake (or copies of copies of copies of someone else's client property)consensus is that you do have to be in Bali, tootle around on a moped, hang out & hear the stories, get the advice from the local bule etc etc, learn the language (not massively hard) & generally kick back & understand their systems & culture (of course all the time driving your project forward)does that sound like slow progress & a waste of time?... welcome to Asia
baliwaste
I dont think I used complicated language,Simply what I said on this page, an industrial unit (min 10000sq ft) or a 5 acre site with water/Well and access to power. Pretty simple.does that sound like slow progress & a waste of time?... welcome to Asia[/QUOTE]Not really, Just means more work when I come in April. We have plenty of time so not worrying. I know getting things done are a lot slower over there. I was there in May past for a vacation and I was watching builders work on a site next to the hotel. I was there for 3 weeks and not much changed in that time. But hey as long as its done and done right.
SHoggard
I was there in May past for a vacation and I was watching builders work on a site next to the hotel. I was there for 3 weeks and not much changed in that time. [/QUOTE]So you can guess how long it took to get the land & paperwork done But hey as long as its done and done right.[/QUOTE]or done oftenGood luck, Bali does need some SWM systems
spicyayam
Have you made any progress with this?
