The Bali Gov't will now get the fees directly from the Manpower Foreign Workers Permits issued and extended. Bali Daily 22 Jan 2014.Apparently there are 1800 foreign workers that pay for permits and annual extensions and the Bali Regional Development Bank (BPD) takes that money (US$100 per person/month) and converts to Rupiah, which they expect will be Rp 21 billion this year.Srangely...there was no mention of how these funds are ultimately distributed. But, maybe....just maybe, the Bali Manpower people will see 'money' and make getting an IMTA a little more easy.My wife gave up trying to be a Consultant because the Co's. lawyer says she must also get a working Kitas. She already has a Kitas and, as we were prepared to pay the working permit fee we are not, in addition, paying for a Kitas she doesn't need.
No such thing as a working Kitas, A work permit is attached to a Kitas. I did read that the Bali governor wanted to tax all westerner living in Bali. That turned out to be illegal so he was going to make you donate money to a heritage fund. Has anything happened yet??
No such thing as a working Kitas, A work permit is attached to a Kitas. I did read that the Bali governor wanted to tax all westerner living in Bali. That turned out to be illegal so he was going to make you donate money to a heritage fund. Has anything happened yet??[/QUOTE]Ok, maybe the way I said it (working Kitas) is the wrong terminology. What the lawyer said was the Co. that sponsors her for the work permit must also sponsor for her Kitas. This would mean my wife would need to cancel her current Kitas and the Co. apply for a new one. She would then be at the mercy of the Co. for her stay in Indonesia, as well as her job.Haven't read much about that heritage fund but someone did surmise that may have been a ploy to get their hands on the Manpower money...which, if so, appears to be successful.
No such thing as a working Kitas, A work permit is attached to a Kitas. I did read that the Bali governor wanted to tax all westerner living in Bali. That turned out to be illegal so he was going to make you donate money to a heritage fund. Has anything happened yet??[/QUOTE]There is also no such thing as "a workpermit attached to a kitas"...a kitas is owned and held by the employee, the workpermit is owned and held by the company...BOTH should be paid for by the company.IMTA is paid upfront in full per year, and no refund for the company when they fire an employee. The fired employee needs to inform imigrasi about getting fired. After imigrasi gets confirmation from manpower, the former employee gets (if I remember right) up to 1 month to leave the country.IMTA applications will still be granted or denied by manpower Jakarta.
Gilbert...you are talking about a foreigner being employed directly from overseas where the Kitas/Merp/Imta are usually done by the employer.My wife is already in Bali on a Spousal Kitas/Merp. A Co. wishes to employ her as she has skills they need. It should then only be a requirement for the Co. to provide the IMTA. Later, if the job is no longer available then the Imta is returned but the Spousal Kitas/Merp isn't...and she can continue living in RI as before.The lawyer didn't know her own country's rules and the Co. was hesitant to continue, without her say, so we gave-up. We were only offering a favor anyway as the Co. is hemorrhaging and my wife is certain she could turn it around.....then leave.
I did read that the Bali governor wanted to tax all westerner living in Bali. That turned out to be illegal so he was going to make you donate money to a heritage fund. Has anything happened yet??[/QUOTE]Haven't read much about that heritage fund but someone did surmise that may have been a ploy to get their hands on the Manpower money...which, if so, appears to be successful.[/QUOTE]I have to correct myself and apologise for wrong info. As Fred2 said there was a proposal to collect US$10 from all foreign tourists for a 'Heritage Fund'. According to today's Bali Daily that has been postponed for now.I'd heard this was a ploy to get more of the US$60M from Bali VOA's the central Gov't collects and re-distributes. maybe they are still working on that.I incorrectly referred to this VOA fee as the IMTA fee in my previous post.
Your wife can stay on her Kitas & the company can apply for the work permit. Some companies don't like to do this as they are not completely in control of you. Lots of people do this so they can get there Kitaps & don't lose out after they finish there employment contract.
Your wife can stay on her Kitas & the company can apply for the work permit. Some companies don't like to do this as they are not completely in control of you. Lots of people do this so they can get there Kitaps & don't lose out after they finish there employment contract.[/QUOTE]Exactly Fred2...that was my original point and we were even willing to pay the manpower training fund.....but appears some Indonesian lawyers don't know their own law!Meanwhile.....the Co. is collapsing, the employees are being fired and becoming unemployed and my wife (as a consultant) has the expertise to turn it around but doesn't have a work permit. She doesn't need a job....just trying to help...but legally. She now vents her frustration by paying to 'that' Gym and does speed cycling...:disgust:
I once went to a Indonesian lawyer to have my signature witness, they wanted to charge me Rp7,000,000. I said for that amount of money I can just fly to Australia & sign the document.
@fred2Rp7,000,000....for a verify signature.....that would seriously piss me off.FWIW the Notary that did our house transfer title did something similar for free. She verified to a UK Gov't Pension Office...."He is still alive!"....and stamped with her official stamp. I still get the pension, so it seems to work, but I find it amusing they write to me asking if I'm dead.:icon_sad:I'm having evil thoughts:devilish:...I wonder if this lawyer gets more money by bankrupting a Co. than the ongoing retainer to keep it functional. :icon_evil:
:hypnotysed: would love to hear on what KITAS one is allowed to work ???or better yet a "link" to the LAW that says so.immigration laws and depnaker are unfortunately 2 separate things
I think we all agree gilbert.......they are separate. A Kitas is issued by immigration....and is a 'Temporary stay permit card'An IMTA is issued by Manpower and is a 'work permit'A Kitas is often issued without a 'work permit'...I have one. A 'work permit' is NOT issued without a Kitas.
Gilbert...you are talking about a foreigner being employed directly from overseas where the Kitas/Merp/Imta are usually done by the employer.My wife is already in Bali on a Spousal Kitas/Merp. A Co. wishes to employ her as she has skills they need. It should then only be a requirement for the Co. to provide the IMTA. Later, if the job is no longer available then the Imta is returned but the Spousal Kitas/Merp isn't...and she can continue living in RI as before.The lawyer didn't know her own country's rules and the Co. was hesitant to continue, without her say, so we gave-up. We were only offering a favor anyway as the Co. is hemorrhaging and my wife is certain she could turn it around.....then leave.[/QUOTE]What kind of company was it? Maybe they weren't allowed to sponsor foreigners.
The Company is a Spa. Many Spa's employ foreigners with special expertise/qualifications, and the lawyer did not raise that as an issue.
Sorry by company I ment CV, UD, PMA. etc. Many spas are CV companies.
Im sure this one is a PMA....the owner is a foreigner.
I think we all agree gilbert.......they are separate. A Kitas is issued by immigration....and is a 'Temporary stay permit card'An IMTA is issued by Manpower and is a 'work permit'A Kitas is often issued without a 'work permit'...I have one. A 'work permit' is NOT issued without a Kitas.[/QUOTE]Trying to get more 'funny' likes are you??? Or just kicking in open doors???You're not an Indonesian who sponsors his foreign wife, so even the new imigration law wich adresses that is not applicable..
1. Trying to get more 'funny' likes are you??? Or just kicking in open doors???2. You're not an Indonesian who sponsors his foreign wife, so even the new imigration law wich adresses that is not applicable..[/QUOTE]1. No idea what you mean gilbert.2. I'm a foreigner that sponsors my foreign wife for a Kitas.The point is she HAS a Kitas. She needed an IMTA sponsored by a Company authorised to request.Are you saying that only an Indonesian sponsored Kitas is eligible to have an IMTA sponsored by a Company?
When a company Applies for a IMTA they must supply:1.copy of the Limited Stay Permit Card (KITAS)(sponsored by anyone).2.copy of employment agreement:3.proof of payment of compensation funds, the use of foreign workers. KEP-20/MEN/III/2004 would cover the work permitUU 6/2011 only covers who can get a Kitas, When you have your Kitas/Kitap, you would give it to the company & that would be part of there document they are required to supply.My friend sponsored by a company has then sponsored he's wife to live here. She now works part time with her Kitas & (Different then husband) company IMTA.
Thanks fred2......Your post #19 describes exactly how I understand the system works.