Davita, where did you go to see your cardiologist and neurologist? (sorry folks a bit off the thread, but it tends to happen with age) :topsy_turvy:[/QUOTE]Joji...please see my opening thread 'medical check in Bali'.All were conducted as part of the medical check-up but ENT was done when I was in Jakarta over Xmas/NY and the recent neurologist in Siloam was extra...she recommended an MRI which I agreed, till I saw it costs over Rp10 M. I like Smokes free prognosis 'I think he said I should drink more Plaga wine' as re-hydrating is essential in the tropics, so I'll give that a shot! :excitement:Talking about business models it does appear to me that Indonesia is copying other countries in trying to establish 'medical holidays', where people will come on holiday and have some cosmetic or predictable simple operations, then re-cuperate with all the hospitality only Asia can provide.
there is nothing more sad than seeing a person being told a thousand times I TOLD YOU SO.[/QUOTE]Yes there is - someone sitting by the side of the road with empty pockets saying "WHY OH WHY didn't I LISTEN to what they said?"
All were conducted as part of the medical check-up but ENT was done when I was in Jakarta over Xmas/NY and the recent neurologist in Siloam was extra...she recommended an MRI which I agreed, till I saw it costs over Rp10 M. [/QUOTE]That doesn't sound right. I recently sent a relative for a similar scan at Siloam's new MRCCC hospital in Jakarta and it cost Rp 6 juta, all in, including a digital copy of the scan on cd-rom and the medical report from the radiologist. Bali premium?
Both the Gods and the locals love a new expat starting up an F&B venture ... on the other hand... the Gods, the locals, the Notaris, the authorities, the Polis ets etc etc absofeckinlutely ADORE an expat with a NEW and ORIGINAL concept for an F&B outlet... I don't care who you are, where you are from, what previous experience you have or what your concept is... the system will grind you down, hammer you into the ground, take your money, destroy your health ... AND your sanity... ... and the negative points are..
Both the Gods and the locals love a new expat starting up an F&B venture ... on the other hand... the Gods, the locals, the Notaris, the authorities, the Polis ets etc etc absofeckinlutely ADORE an expat with a NEW and ORIGINAL concept for an F&B outlet... I don't care who you are, where you are from, what previous experience you have or what your concept is... the system will grind you down, hammer you into the ground, take your money, destroy your health ... AND your sanity... ... [COLOR="#FF0000"]and the negative points are[/COLOR]..[/QUOTE]There are none its paradise i made a fecking fortune and i am still rolling it in, should have done it years ago hi hi hi hi :icon_cry:
That doesn't sound right. I recently sent a relative for a similar scan at Siloam's new MRCCC hospital in Jakarta and it cost Rp 6 juta, all in, including a digital copy of the scan on cd-rom and the medical report from the radiologist. Bali premium?[/QUOTE]Thanks Mark....your Jakarta price for an MRI was confirmed by my wife's friend yesterday, as she had it done in Jakarta recently, but not Siloam. I was shocked by the price here in Bali and cancelled. Our apartment in Jakarta is not far from Siloam in Kebon Jurok and I'll be going there soon.....so will check. I was thinking S'pore or back to Phuket for a proper MRI but, I'm sure RI can do it...I'm just haggling the price as I think a bit of sales pitch is done by those so-called specialists. My concern is I get bumped from here to there and everyone gets a bite of my apple.... but still I end up not even properly diagnosed, never mind being cured.Thanks for the idea......was the scan done to your relative's satisfaction?
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There are none its paradise i made a fecking fortune and i am still rolling it in, should have done it years ago hi hi hi hi :icon_cry:[/QUOTE]See me ?... made a fortune three times and totally wiped out four times... y'see its the arithmetic that farkles me up ... I just need to get the higher number first and keep it that way ...
You and girlfriend have worked on Bali for several years already, so basically you should know how things work here on Bali...From reading your post however I doubt that you do, and therefor I doubt you can turn your idea into a succes. This is just my personal observation/opinion, and you're asking specific things so I will answer those.[/QUOTE]Gilbert, thank you for your input, much appreciated :) We have been working in Bali for a few years (4 to be precise), I didn't say several. Since we have been working for a resort in a very remote part of the island we never actually started up our own company or had many opportunities to speak to expats who did, and that is why we want to make sure that we cover our asses as well as it is possible.To a certain degree we do know how Bali works, I am not saying that we are experts but we do speak Bahasa and "our company" do have over 100 Balinese employees that we have to deal with every day. It is the business setup that we do not have any experience with.We are planning some meetings with a notaris, a lawyer and a couple of business consultants next week to (hopefully) get filled in on the exact details of the startup. The reason I am writing this post not walk into these meetings completely blind.Your answer was nice as it gives me a better idea of the order of the whole thing, thank you!
If you feel you need to meet with 'business consultants' that says it all ... if they were any good at what they say they are supposed to be ... then they'd be gazillionaires and would not need to work ... all of my business ventures failed because of 'third party interference' ... two ventures in particular were making megabucks ... which of course automatically attracted the bottom feeders ... for small bit players with no backing or access to political clout... spectacular success is just 'chum' for the sharks ....seriously ... just buy a load of lottery tickets.
Both the Gods and the locals love a new expat starting up an F&B venture ... on the other hand... the Gods, the locals, the Notaris, the authorities, the Polis ets etc etc absofeckinlutely ADORE an expat with a NEW and ORIGINAL concept for an F&B outlet... I don't care who you are, where you are from, what previous experience you have or what your concept is... the system will grind you down, hammer you into the ground, take your money, destroy your health ... AND your sanity...[/QUOTE]I never said that it is a new and original concept, I said that it is a niche, a niche is defined as a company catering to a specific part of the market which is not yet saturated. Yes, this could be a new and original concept as you mention, but Queens Tandoor in Seminyak could equally be defined as a niche simply because they serve a type of food that is not main-stream in the south of Bali, so could The Pearl in Legian.However, I am interested why you think that a restaurant catering to specific part of the market would get more attention from locals/authorities than a mainstream (burgers/pizza/nasi goreng) restaurant?
If you feel you need to meet with 'business consultants' that says it all ... if they were any good at what they say they are supposed to be ... then they'd be gazillionaires and would not need to work ... all of my business ventures failed because of 'third party interference' ... two ventures in particular were making megabucks ... which of course automatically attracted the bottom feeders ... for small bit players with no backing or access to political clout... spectacular success is just 'chum' for the sharks ....seriously ... just buy a load of lottery tickets.[/QUOTE]Just wondering, how did you start up your first business then, just jumping in head first? You say that your businesses that failed did so because of [I]"3'rd party interference"[/I], any possible pitfalls would be great to get on the list. The ones I have dealt with so far are stuff like locals showing up drunk to pick fights, slashed car tires, blocked access road, loud music to harass our guests etc. Don't get me wrong, I agree with what you are saying, I work for a luxury hotel in the poorest part of the island, chum for sharks, amen.
Synaptic you actually are beginning to sound as if you might have a chance. Therefore I would really suggest you look at partnering with a Balinese - we all do it, either as Nominee, business or in bed, or all 3. You have the chance to test the market with as little personal exposure (economically) as is possible. Chances are good that if it does fly and you have been clever in your choice of partner then you will all grow with the business. Then you can do all the lawyering up you need/want. Frankly, before you look like a success nobody will care anyway. Pick someone with a family, business connections and an honest face. Make sure you pay him and don't hire any of his/her family - just doubles the chances of a falling out. Good luck, oh and serve lots of cheese.
Too add to Markit advise, pick you r local partner with good roots in Bali and a reputation to keep.They would think twice before getting their reputation tainted after keeping it for so long.Might be easier to find a chinese descendant interested on business rather than a local BalineseMarkit, I think the OP has a girlfriend already so you are advising him to be a player and get a local on the side? :icon_e_surprised:
Too add to Markit advise, pick you r local partner with good roots in Bali and a reputation to keep.[COLOR=#ff0000]I could not agree more - what I meant by "honest face". [/COLOR]They would think twice before getting their reputation tainted after keeping it for so long.Might be easier to find a chinese descendant interested on business rather than a local BalineseMarkit, I think the OP has a girlfriend already so you are advising him to be a player and get a local on the side?[COLOR=#ff0000]"When in Rome, do as the Romans" when in Bali .....[/COLOR] :icon_e_surprised:[/QUOTE]
Gilbert, thank you for your input, much appreciated :) We have been working in Bali for a few years (4 to be precise), I didn't say several. Since we have been working for a resort in a very remote part of the island we never actually started up our own company or had many opportunities to speak to expats who did, and that is why we want to make sure that we cover our asses as well as it is possible.To a certain degree we do know how Bali works, I am not saying that we are experts but we do speak Bahasa and "our company" do have over 100 Balinese employees that we have to deal with every day. It is the business setup that we do not have any experience with.We are planning some meetings with a notaris, a lawyer and a couple of business consultants next week to (hopefully) get filled in on the exact details of the startup. The reason I am writing this post not walk into these meetings completely blind.Your answer was nice as it gives me a better idea of the order of the whole thing, thank you![/QUOTE]several/a few/a couple....in my book that's the same :)FYI, you can basically find a DIY-guide for setting up a PMA when you search for it here on the pod (use the searchbox in upper-right corner of the page)Hope everything goes well for you at those meetings, and the people you meet can clear some things up for you.Stay positive and keep in touch
Gilbert, thank you for your input, much appreciated :) We have been working in Bali for a few years (4 to be precise), I didn't say several. Since we have been working for a resort in a very remote part of the island we never actually started up our own company or had many opportunities to speak to expats who did, and that is why we want to make sure that we cover our asses as well as it is possible.To a certain degree we do know how Bali works, I am not saying that we are experts but we do speak Bahasa and "our company" do have over 100 Balinese employees that we have to deal with every day. It is the business setup that we do not have any experience with.[COLOR="#FF0000"]We are planning some meetings with a notaris, a lawyer and a couple of business consultants next week to (hopefully) get filled in on the exact details of the startup. The reason I am writing this post not walk into these meetings completely blind.[/COLOR]Your answer was nice as it gives me a better idea of the order of the whole thing, thank you![/QUOTE]So your niche market now becomes open source as i will wager after your " meetings " with all the above.All you are going to do is put the idea you have and seem confident about is like giving a lamb to the proverbial as all this crew you are involving from day one will either 1/ sell / pass the great idea on. 2/ use the idea themselves.3/ really take you to the laundry.Keep your idea to yourself and use the lump on your shoulders god gave you, get your sleeves rolled up and get on with it..I have doubts after reading your post as you are banking on the principle you WORK for a big company in Bali ? (no contacts in right places ? [COLOR="#FF0000"]super imp[/COLOR]t, no risk, no outlay, no coffee donations etc ) it is a different ball game doing it for yourself trust me.I wish you success but do it yourself don't involve all these leeches until you are ready to roll and unless absolutely necessary.
[I]However, I am interested why you think that a restaurant catering to specific part of the market would get more attention from locals/authorities than a mainstream (burgers/pizza/nasi goreng) restaurant? [/I]No, what I said was[B] success[/B] will attract the scumbags, people will be of the opinion you are taking away business, and therefore money, that is rightfully theirs, and that does not apply just to F&B outlets OR Bali/Indonesia as I have seen glaring examples of it in Thailand, Malaysia and The Philippines.Longer answer regarding my personal pitfalls being edited to remove profanity...about 50%
Let's give Synaptics a chance. After all, things haven't worked out too badly for the guys who set up Ku de ta, Warisan and the many other successful places founded by expats in Bali. Everyone knows that f&b in Bali, like everywhere else in the world, is a high risk business, but with potentially high returns if you get it right.
...but with potentially high returns if you get it right.[/QUOTE] ...and THAT is what causes the problems..