DenpasarHouse
Here's an interesting one. Who's at fault?
Doesn't it mean the minibus driver simply ran him over? Even if he tooted his horn?
This goes along with my theory that if something happens 80% of the time Indonesians plan/act/think as though it always happens.
I'm not sure why, possibly Balinese Cabin Fever, but the little illogical things have really been getting on my nerves lately. For example, when I went to get car insurance they sent me upstairs to a different office. I go upstairs and there's some sort of empty office and a door that says "Stop! Staff Only". I hang around for a bit, but no-one comes past, so I go back downstairs saying I probably went to the wrong place. "Oh no, that's that the place, just go straight in." Why didn't you just tell me that? How could I possibly have known?
Also, while I'm venting, the vague hand wave instead of directly pointing out something is getting pretty old. I'm not sure my marriage will survive. (Heh. Just kidding.)
Markit
I get the same thing! Saw that article this am and my exact thoughts. I was also surprised that the minibus driver survived his confrontation with the locals.
The more I read Indonesian articles I'm always struck with hundreds of unasked questions that really lead to what I hoped the article was supposed to do. To inform me.
The JakPost is the best example - you only start to understand any particular article when you then read the following reader comments at the bottom. There the longtime followers try to fill in the blanks that the article should have.
Sorry about your marriage (not really, why should only yours go well?)
calma
DenpasarHouse wroteHere's an interesting one. Who's at fault?
Doesn't it mean the minibus driver simply ran him over? Even if he tooted his horn?
This goes along with my theory that if something happens 80% of the time Indonesians plan/act/think as though it always happens.
I'm not sure why, possibly Balinese Cabin Fever, [B]but the little illogical things have really been getting on my nerves lately.[/B] For example, when I went to get car insurance they sent me upstairs to a different office. I go upstairs and there's some sort of empty office and a door that says "Stop! Staff Only". I hang around for a bit, but no-one comes past, so I go back downstairs saying I probably went to the wrong place. "Oh no, that's that the place, just go straight in." Why didn't you just tell me that? How could I possibly have known?
Also, while I'm venting, the vague hand wave instead of directly pointing out something is getting pretty old. I'm not sure my marriage will survive. (Heh. Just kidding.)
Some of my days sometimes are full of these illogical things and like you said it is too much. I think the maximum I can stay without going back to my country on a short holidays is two years, thanksfully will be soon this year, I need a break from PARADISE........... tiring, too tiring sometimes, of course if you have to deal with them daily and with offices or some business around.......if your life is stay in a villa with a swimming pool and don't do much probably will be ok.
Sometimes I wish to have the time and the patient to write in a piece of paper or on the computer about all these illogical things........so many, many really!! I think somebody could have a nice time to read all that! of course the most of time, they keep smiling and I get mad.............
DenpasarHouse
begonia wroteI think the maximum I can stay without going back to my country on a short holidays is two years . . .
Yep, that's definitely it. I'm past 3 years now, might have to start making plans to pulang kampung Australi for a bit.
davita
DenpasarHouse wroteYep, that's definitely it. I'm past 3 years now, might have to start making plans to pulang kampung Australi for a bit.
When I reach frustration with Bali I buy cheap return tickets to Jakarta....very happy to come home to Bali.
DenpasarHouse
You lost me after here.
JohnnyCool wrote"I don't know about that, sir..."
Are you just giving them a taste of their own illogical medicine?
Nydave
I had the same problem with rats some years ago,my wife was asking neighbours about poison or whatever and their reply was, ,,Ooh you don't like rats?,
JohnnyCool
[QUOTE]You lost me after here:
"I don't know about that, sir..."[/QUOTE]
You mean the mention of flute players and suling makers?
(A suling is a Balinese flute.)
Do you know the story of the Pied Piper of Hamelin?
:apple:
Nydave
Here is what happened to me,i export teak garden furniture to the Usa,one client ordered a custom pice from me,something they had seen is a magazine,it consisted of a 3 seater sofa, and what I call a day bed,some call it an ottoman,so I gave the picture to my manufacturer along with all dimensions,
He got back to me and I couldn't believe how low his price was,sure I was delighted because I was going to make a huge profit on it,i went over the price several times and still couldn't believe it,
He quote me in a weird way something like this
3 seater sofa $xxx,meaning the wood frame part only
Day bed $xxx again meaning the wood frame only
Cushion for sofa $xx
Cushion for daybed $xx
I called himand asked why the cushions were so cheap,he said that's normal price,so I said you are going to send me 3 cushions for sitting on with the sofa and 3 cushions for the back,also 1 long cushion for the daybed and 1 cushion for the back of same,,he said ooh no the price I gave you was only for one cushion,
Can you imagine what would have arrived in Usa if I hadn't made that phone call,
I mean it's common sence that a 3 seat sofa requires 3 seat cushions and 3 back cushions and the bed needs one of each right?
But then I have been told that common sence is not always very common,
It's very difficult to deal with some people here
DenpasarHouse
JohnnyCool wroteDo you know the story of the Pied Piper of Hamelin?
Oh, OK. I get it.
DenpasarHouse
Nydave wroteI mean it's common sence that a 3 seat sofa requires 3 seat cushions and 3 back cushions and the bed needs one of each right?
Of course!
I constantly check and double check everything, and tell everyone who'll listen to do the same, but they always find ways to trip me up.
JohnnyCool
A few years ago, I had rats thumping around in my ceilings, feral cats possibly trying to catch the rats, civets, and other animals.
It got to the point where I decided to call in some pest controllers.
I went to one large company in Renon and told the staff I was sick of the rats, and how much would their controllers charge me to eliminate them?
"Oh, sir - we cannot do that - that is not the Balinese way."
Excuse me, darling - this is a pest-control business, is it not?
"Yes - but we cannot kill the rats."
OK - So what do you actually do, then? And by the way, do you have rats in your house?
"Yes - they are a problem for me, too."
And you can't do anything about them, because it's not "the Balinese way"?
"Yes, sir..."
Is there a place near here where I can buy rat-poison, cyanide, a gun, or similar?
"I don't know about that, sir..."
Thankyou for your time. Oh - and one last question.
Know of any good flute players around here?
"In my village in Singaraja - (do you know Singaraja?) - my brother's brother has a friend of a friend whose family make suling - I can give you his handphone number..."
Your name-tag says that your name is Putuh. Can I call you Putuh?
"Yes - no problem."
Does this pest-control business have a branch in Singaraja (Buleleng - do you know Buleleng?). Is Buleleng full of "bules"? Just wondering.
Like, do people in Tabanana (sic) grow lots of bananas?
"We have office in also Tuban, Kuta."
Where do they buy their bananas from there, or do the rats eat them all?
Nice talking with you Putuh. You married, or just have lots of boyfriends?
"No have pacar..."
I'm not surprised...
Markit
Do you ever get the feeling most do it on purpose?
I've been working together with one Balinese Wayan and he seems to know exactly what I want - sometimes before I know it myself. Most of the stuff we do is new to both of us - building this or that and he seems to think the details through and I'm more the "man for big ideas". We've had many other that just can't be assed to try.
I always come back to the the old saying "we pretend to pay them and they pretend to work"...
Steve Rossell
Over the years I've bought some clothes from Balinese folk in fixed price stores and paid roughly 3 to 5 times what I could have at a market, for similar looking gear. Similar but better quality stuff that stood the test of time. It was still cheaper than 'back home'. You get what you pay for I reckon..........well........sometimes.
DenpasarHouse
Markit wroteDo you ever get the feeling most do it on purpose?
Sometimes yes, if the packaging on an item is really busted up they won't volunteer to open it up and check it. Most of the time, no. It's just the price you pay for living in a place where absolutely no-one in the supply chain is checking properly.
Nydave
More to the point is nobody accepts responsability,and that goes for everything,see how they drive,its like the mirrors don't exist,they seem to think that as long as then put on their signal light that it's ok to proceed,never thinking that first they should check the mirrors to see if it's safe to proceed,especially the motor bikes,where the passenger sticks out a finger or somesort of half a**ed hand signal and the driver just goes for it,
Absolutely no acceptance of responsability at all
calma
of course always there is exceptions but the words I use the most of the time to describe people here (my balinese husband included), it is NOT THINKING, THEY DON'T THINK, have you ever been in a situation when you are telling somebody to do something and they tell you yap, yap, ok, ok, yes, yes smiling all the time and after they do whatever they want or do the opposite you have asked them to do?
To me I have the feeling that sometimes whatever I say doesn't get inside of their brain, they don't process what I am saying.
Markit
begonia wrote
To me I have the feeling that sometimes whatever I say doesn't get inside of their brain, they don't process what I am saying.
Begonia are you my wife?
klaatu
every situation in this country can seen from the point of view that there are no adults here
Markit
klaatu wroteevery situation in this country can seen from the point of view that there are no adults here
Good, aint it! Sure hope they don't come back...
