The first thing that strikes you about would-be jihadist Teuku Akbar Maulana is how ordinary he is.
This is a pimply teenager who plays badminton and loves his mum, not one of the black-clad, scowling, AK-47-toting Islamic State fighters who stalk the internet.
Author, activist and former journalist Noor Huda Ismail first met Akbar in a kebab shop in the central Turkish city of Kayseri in 2014.
He looked like any other bright Indonesian kid sent by his parents to study religion in Turkey.
"I am gregarious and here was this very skinny, lonely Indonesian," says Huda, who was in town for an international conference.
Huda is best known in Indonesia for trying to re-integrate former terrorists into mainstream society by employing them at his deradicalisation cafe in Solo, Java. He is also studying a PhD at Monash University in Melbourne on gender and masculinity in Indonesian foreign fighters.
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