geedee
Why don't you see saloon cars in Bali?
All of the cars are the same shape, is it because that's all they manufacture or they need to move large families?
Or am I blind?
balibule
Indonesians are copycats. There are pretty much only 3 cars in Bali.
Toyota Avanza
Toyota APV
Toyota Innova
These have the highest resale value.
Most of these cars are silver but now white seems to be the new colour.
Steve Rossell
Visual, i.e. height, whilst driving grid lock style, juga width. Day to day stuff sepida motor, hands down winner.
Markit
Most Balinese have a tour business or big families and need to move lots of people around from ceremony to ceremony or sight to sight hence the "people carriers".
They usually also all have a motorbike for when it's only them and the refrigerator to move.
ronb
Why don't you see saloon cars in Bali?
All of the cars are the same shape, is it because that's all they manufacture or they need to move large families?
Or am I blind?
Yes you are onto it. These cars are assembled in Indonesia, mostly by Astra companies - see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_International
Markit
Thanks Ron I also learned something new. Saw the "Astra" name everywhere but never stopped to find out why or what. They seem to sell everything but the Suzuki (APV).
I'm just not clear if they only offer people movers or people only want those types. Wouldn't the competition, like Suzuki, if the customers wanted them?
geedee
Thanks Ron , I'm confused on the wiki page it says owned 50.1% by Jardine Matheson the EX Hong Kong company now Bermuda based.
I thought (probably wrongly) that Indonesian partners must be majority shareholder.
Will the Indonesians just not drive a saloon or they dont have much choice?
sakumabali
You can get any car you like here Geedee; BMW, Mercedes you name it....the majority of these Toyotas, Hondas (see above) are cheap.
There's CBU (completely build up), SKD (semi knocked down) and CKD (completely knocked down) - they all have different tax categories. The more jobs they create here the lower. BMW for example produces here 3 & 5 series, X1, X3 and some X5 (not all engines though and with fixed configuration with sucks the most)
Fred2
Show rooms in my area, massive Mercedes and Honda dealership, Chrysler jeep, Chevrolet, Toyota, Range Rover, mini, Porsche (new), CBU,Nissan, Isuzu. I see bluebird are updating there fleet to Honda, A 7 seat car in Indonesia will hold 7 tourist + driver or 12 locals, I've seen a Honda Civic with 7 local in it
geedee
Gurkha wroteOr my Scorpion !
You mean Chieftain
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Fred2 wroteShow rooms in my area, massive Mercedes and Honda dealership, Chrysler jeep, Chevrolet, Toyota, Range Rover, mini, Porsche (new), CBU,Nissan, Isuzu. I see bluebird are updating there fleet to Honda, A 7 seat car in Indonesia will hold 7 tourist + driver or 12 locals, I've seen a Honda Civic with 7 local in it
Do you mean in Surabaya
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paulseawind wroteThat's because you didn't see my twin turbo Carrera Black Pearl Cabriolet.
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Any closeups.
I mean of the woman
geedee
sakumabali wroteYou can get any car you like here Geedee; BMW, Mercedes you name it....the majority of these Toyotas, Hondas (see above) are cheap.
There's CBU (completely build up), SKD (semi knocked down) and CKD (completely knocked down) - they all have different tax categories. The more jobs they create here the lower. BMW for example produces here 3 & 5 series, X1, X3 and some X5 (not all engines though and with fixed configuration with sucks the most)
Perhaps I was just looking at the woman and not noticing cars pretty easy thing to do really except for the constant hits on the head from the strange woman next to me who doesn't seem to understand.
I have seen lots of Mercedes etc in Jakarta but didn't notice any luxury or saloon cars in Bali only seen a Range Rover (with a for sale sign on it).
The only really good car i encountered was Markit's Aston Martin DB9.
geedee
paulseawind wroteThat's because you didn't see my twin turbo Carrera Black Pearl Cabriolet.
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Here was you thinking that the ladies liked you for your gentle nature and charm
Fred2
Surabaya, citraland wanted the land the Mercedes dealer was on ( they build a shopping mall and towers on it, citraland owned 3/4 of the block) so they swapped land, the dealers new show room is bigger then the discovery mall in bali. I have even see the big American GM van that when you open the side sliding door the step comes out. Most car would be too big for Bali roads that why the APV was a big hit in Bali.
sakumabali
u mean a cadillac escalade? There are sometimes cars from Java here on Bali, it's a miracle for me why people pay 350.000 USD (Indonesia) for a car which costs less than 100K in the states - and it's even not a good car
Nydave
What does Astra mean,i see it on many cars like the small toyata agya and daihatsu alya or other way around not sure,but basically the same car with quite a different price range,
Nydave
OK so it's like a dealership?
Nydave
I have been told that both toyota and daihatsu models are assembled here in Ri,also been told that they both toyota and daihatsu are the same company,but can't believe all we are told right,
Nydave
Psw thanks for your replies,i guess others will contribute here and we both might get a little more educated,
On another note,best wishes to your wife and I wish her every success on her treatment and for a speedy recovery,
davita
PT Astra is an Indonesian holding company listed on the Indonesian Stock exchange (IDX) and is a conglomerate whose principal interests are in the automotive industry. To that end they manufacture Diahatsu and Toyota brands in Indonesia.....and many motor bikes. They also represent and assemble other brands of automobiles and trucks and agriculture equipment. They also have interests in insurance, financial services and IT.
The dealership for Toyota in Indonesia is called Auto2000.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_International
geedee
PT Astra is an Indonesian holding company listed on the Indonesian Stock exchange (IDX) and is a conglomerate whose principal interests are in the automotive industry. To that end they manufacture Diahatsu and Toyota brands in Indonesia.....and many motor bikes. They also represent and assemble other brands of automobiles and trucks and agriculture equipment. They also have interests in insurance, financial services and IT.
The dealership for Toyota in Indonesia is called Auto2000.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_International
50.1% owned by Jardine Matheson .
So is a non Indonesian company permitted to own more than half of the shares.
For instance is Starbucks etc a joint venture
