Lost IMB certficate

doug fretty

During a recent move the file containing our IMB certificate was lost (dumb,yes). My question is,does anyone on this forum know the procedure or have a idea as to where to get to recover the record? The house is in Tabanan regency.

doug fretty

Thanks for the reply Paul, no the move did not involve a sale of house and I have the sertipikat tanah. I do not have a blue plate either. So perhaps I will seek the advice of a Notaris. I would think that the Kantor Bangunan or a hall of records may have a record,but that may be stretching it?

davita

paulseawind wrote P.S. I am surprised none of the more experienced members here have not made a suggestion yet. Surely someone will know.

Perhaps others haven't faced the same situation and therefore can only speculate. Taking a picture of the IMB plate is a brilliant suggestion and I'm about to do just that....thanks for the idea

DenpasarHouse

davita wroteTaking a picture of the IMB plate is a brilliant suggestion and I'm about to do just that....thanks for the idea

Me too. Thanks PaulSeaWind and Davita.

SHoggard

paulseawind wroteOK - up to you. DPH, there are 2 things you must have. #1: the [U]original[/U] Sertipikat which is for the land. #2: the [U]original[/U] IMB which is for the use of the land.

Confused.... I thought IMB was for the [I]House or building[/I] ON the land (hence the reason you have to submit 'architect/designer' drawings) and the blue plate fixed to the house certifying that it is an 'authorised' building. Or did I get that wrong

SHoggard

So....

paulseawind wroteOK - up to you. DPH, there are 2 things you must have. #1: the [U]original[/U] Sertipikat which is for the land. #2: the [U]original[/U] IMB which is for the use of the land. .

all the above is WRONG INFORMATION???

DenpasarHouse

Aduh! I just realised I haven't got a sertifikat IMB, I've only got the blue metal plate on the outside of the house. I'll have to chase this up with the developer.

paulseawind wroteAlso, store scanned images on your computer.

Yes, I do this. It makes it easy to print off a couple of copies whenever they're needed. I also keep a copy of everything in the cloud, which is just included with my regular backup routine.

paulseawind wroteAnd keep the originals in a very safe place. Not the same as the building they pertain to. Mine are in Australia.

Not sure I really agree with this. I don't think it's worth the hassle, they can always be re-issued. It might be difficult or costly though. Indonesians sometimes act as though original certificates are irreplaceable (eg. Land, car or motorcycle) but that's not really true. No system can work like that.

Fred2

Sorry can't help much as I've not misplaced documents but markit is correct and good advice about IMB before purchasing land. Sorry markit no like button on Vcrap.

Markit

The certificate stipulates the boundaries of your parcel of land and where it's situated - what roads go by and the general dimensions of the land 20 x 40 meters (1 are = 100 sq. meters) for instance. The IMB is the building permission and is general layout of the house and counter to most popular beliefs need not be an architectural drawing but just a recognizable drawing is enough for IMB purposes, showing rooms and sizes. Just for the hell of it I would also recommend that anyone going for an IMB ask the person they are buying the land from to get it as a prerequisite to completing a purchase of the land. It's always gonna be easier for the seller of the land to get the signed agreement of his erstwhile neighbors than, for instance, your average Bule.

SHoggard

Markit wroteThe certificate stipulates the boundaries of your parcel of land and where it's situated - what roads go by and the general dimensions of the land 20 x 40 meters (1 are = 100 sq. meters) for instance. The IMB is the building permission and is general layout of the house and counter to most popular beliefs need not be an architectural drawing but just a recognizable drawing is enough for IMB purposes, showing rooms and sizes. Just for the hell of it I would also recommend that anyone going for an IMB ask the person they are buying the land from to get it as a prerequisite to completing a purchase of the land. It's always gonna be easier for the seller of the land to get the signed agreement of his erstwhile neighbors than, for instance, your average Bule.

SO to clarify (the many many posts on the topic) the IMB is a certificate/permit for the physical structure (building) and NOT the land use as [I]paulseawind[/I] states . It is clearly important because 'land use' is a very big issue so it is important that we clarify exactly what the paperwork covers

Markit

SHoggard wroteSO to clarify (the many many posts on the topic) the IMB is a certificate/permit for the physical structure (building) and NOT the land use as [I]paulseawind[/I] states . It is clearly important because 'land use' is a very big issue so it is important that we clarify exactly what the paperwork covers

Well that's a bit confusing for me as the only use you need an IMB for is to build on your land and the only use can put to land other than farming (for which no IMB is needed) is building. You will need a new IMB if your house usage changes ie. from purely living there to renting it out, which requires a new IMB and a Pondok Wisata. But the IMB is basically the same but with the addition of the Pondok, I think... But what do I know?

DenpasarHouse

This website implies that there is another separate certificate/permit simply for stating the zoning of the land: BUILDING PERMIT IMB | ODISEA BALI, Integrated Building Services - Contractor BALI, LOMBOK, JAKARTA, MEDAN, NIAS They describe it as " - Correct Land Use Permit (Zoning) for the building that is planned".

DenpasarHouse

IMB = ijin mendirikan bangun-bangunan = wake-building permits (as per Google Translate)

Yeah, I don't think you're making this any less confusing by relying on Google translate. IMB = Izin (not ijin) Mendirikan Bangunan (buildings, not to wake up) https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izin_Mendirikan_Bangunan In my opinion, it's confusing because there's a missing piece of the puzzle. When we talk about "land use" we're really talking about how the land is zoned. I don't know where you get the zoning information for your land, I've looked on my land certificate and can't see anything. Anyone know? I'm pretty sure the IMB only pertains to the details of a building(s) and it's purpose. Whether you can get a IMB for a building(s) would depend on how the land was zoned.

DenpasarHouse

paulseawind wroteRead my first 9 words above what you wrote at your post #26.

Do you mean this?

paulseawind wroteI think this is being drilled into far too deeply.

C'mon mate, that's not doing anything to drive the discussion forward.

DenpasarHouse

Ah c'mon! We'd barely got our trousers off! Ha ha! I'll let you know. I've got the blue plate, just not the certificate.

DenpasarHouse

paulseawind wroteHillbilly humour.

I wouldn't let any militant, new atheists hear you say that. I stole it from Christopher Hitchens.

DenpasarHouse

paulseawind wrote[ATTACH=CONFIG]2643[/ATTACH] Looks like a J to me, DPH ? What does yours look like?

I haven't got one yet. I'll have to chase it up with the developer. But here's an example of one I found on the internet. [ATTACH]2644.vB[/ATTACH] Yours looks like something I'd get from the head of the area or Kepala Lingkungan. It's probably a good example of the lack of attention to detail that plagues everything here in Indonesia. I'm not saying yours isn't valid, but bloody hell, they didn't even use the correct terminology. Maybe it's the old name for the IMB, or maybe it's just their best guess. It's understandable as 'ijin' means 'permission' whereas 'izin' means 'a permit', although this might be debatable.

DenpasarHouse

paulseawind wroteThe IMB is for the use of the land. Full stop. New paragraph. It is not for the building alone and how many bedrooms, etc. It says you may build a house here and that house is x metres from the west fence and x metres from the east fence and x metres from the beach fence, and so on. And you can use the house (untuk) for this purpose.

Well I don't understand why you're so confident to proclaim this. Your sentence seems to confirm that the IMB only pertains to the building.

paulseawind wroteIMO, zoning sits above the IMB in the pecking order.

Yes, I agree, so why do you keep claiming the IMB pertains to the use of the land? If your land is zoned 'agricultural' you'll never get an IMB to build on it.

Fred2

Look on your last land tax statement PBB, mine shows on the line to calculate land tax cost, you should have a BPN certificate Type of land rights: the original land zoning certifcate for the building would have been supplied with the application for the IMB, if you don't have a copy you need to apply to local BPN office.

Fred2

In 2005 new laws were in acted because only 85% of all building had IMB certificates. Main problem TAX. May be thats why you are showing different certificate. There are tables to show the process to obtain an IMB (zoning is part of the land certificate) A number of documents are need to apply for a IMB A land certificate including the relevant survey plan. An ijing Kavling (permit to subdivide) if one is needed. Correct land zoning for the building that is planned.*****BPN land parcel certificate will show Types of land rights B1-B4 ok for IMB, B5-B9 not ok for IMB Drawings of the buildings that comply with local building regulations. Structural and services drawings to make sure that the buildings have been properly designed and specified. As markit stated before when buying land make sure the owner supplies a [U]IMB permit [/U]with the sale of any land, don't want to find out later it is B5-B9 I hope that helps